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So you don't think that him essentially following my lead for roughly the page before that and then getting indignant for being called the more scummy of the two is scummy in its own right

Nope.

Agreeing with reasonable positions isn't scummy, and people get annoyed when you call them scummy for things that aren't scummy, particularly if they think you're town too.

Like, this is mafia, this isn't always disagree all the time for the sake of disagreeing all the time. If town can never agree with other towns we have a problem.

So Tchill has 0 rebuttal for my comments on TBG I see.



If you town start actin' like it.

not worried about looking town atm worried about getting TBG lynched ok thx bye.

In post 3068, WhemeStar wrote:

In post 3060, TehBrawlGuy wrote:on, but of the three leading wagons

????

In post 3170, WhemeStar wrote:

In post 3165, TehBrawlGuy wrote:k
VOTE: wheme
dunn please intent

Lol

wheme goes into a little more complex thoughts when arguing against other players pushing him but these are his only thoughts on TBG.

I think how and who wheme reacted with at the end of his lynch could be pretty useful info.

the lalendra and dunn lynches happened because of their interaction with the wheme lynch.

the wheme lynch is still the main prirority.

So 100% of your case on TBG is based on Wheme's actions? You are ignoring the actions of TBG's slot itself?

I mean, I don't think Wheme says literally anything toward your slot whatsoever. So if Wheme was actively ignoring your slot, doesn't that mean your slot is more likely to be scum than TBG?

Basing your entire case on what Wheme DID NOT DO and DID NOT SAY is shit reasoning.

In post 3250, WhemeStar wrote:Holy some1 has a brain

Also, Tchill, this comment is directed at TBG. Wheme draws attention to TBG unvoting him. That's scum avoiding commenting on his buddy?

In post 5313, Golden Robster wrote:
tbg trying to stall while at the same time re-stating that he doesn't mind voting wheme (aka the bus)

In post 3062, TehBrawlGuy wrote:oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

fake "it's closer to deadline" and votes wheme while also off-handed comment about open counterwagons

Not "it's closer it deadline". The VC was posted right before I said that. Wheme had 7 votes, PP had 8. I meant the wagons were closer than I thought, which is why I tied them with my Wheme vote.

In post 5330, Krazy wrote:TBG gets to wear the sorting hat!

In post 235, ArcAngel9 wrote:

In post 234, WhemeStar wrote:VOTE: Lalendra person

A50 is obv town here

I agree. this one is town too.

Unfortunate but would scum be so chum so early into d1? WIFOM tho.

In post 2072, ArcAngel9 wrote:We should get Texcat today.. they read on me make no sense.


VOTE: Textcate

Arcangel strikes me as kinda towny

In post 2539, TehBrawlGuy wrote:i figured it out though it's ausuka

TBG early is noticing players that are not vanilla town, so he seems engaged.

In post 2664, TehBrawlGuy wrote: He hadn't mentioned Mylo since his vote for him in 1947 - 470 posts earlier. Mylo dropped a vote there when asked for a vote and came up with some weak reasoning, didn't even really try to back it up. So, it looked like he was opportunistically throwing a vote on someone who had literally just said they wouldn't be around to defend themselves and using OMGUS and vague "I don't see any reason for them to be town so they must be scum" as an excuse.

this is perhaps a bit blunt, but is mylo a weak scum player? i actually view this as a towntell if he's not b/c I think Scum are generally a little bit more worried about appearance. this seems much more town-realizing-he's-not-voting with a dash of lazy

I like TBG's assessment of Mylo.

In post 2666, TehBrawlGuy wrote:fuck all y'all for not assisting me in getting up to speed btw

anyway, I agree with whoever said masons + fulltown neighborhood is unlikely, so I'm pretty OK lynching in that pool. FL's partner needs to claim.

Out of neighborhood + FL, who should I read up on? Can someone give me a breakdown of everything that's happened related to the hood/its players?

This is dumb and bad strategy and nukes my earlier townlean on the slot. That being said, my main question is--would scum be that greedy? Especially this early in the game? I know, wifom.

In post 2690, TehBrawlGuy wrote:alright so I did some ISOs

android: obvtown (how was he almost lynched?)
wave: scum
mylo: town
FL: lean town


I don't need FL's partner to claim, I'm sure enough in Wave lynch. Neighbor-meta aside, 99% of wave's contributions have been calling other players Town. Having lots of townreads and very few scumreads is a wonderful way to coast without taking heat or giving off associatives as Scum, and his tone also feels off.

VOTE: wave

plan to iso KK soon(tm) but I'm really happy with a wave lynch both mechanically and reads wise, so it's not a high priority for me.

TBG backs off mason claim necessity, which suggests maybe his earlier insistence was ruffles from settling into a game he hadn't got caught up on yet. Pressure on wave seems intuitive given the gamestate at this time.

In post 2896, TehBrawlGuy wrote:standard timetravelling warning

In post 2723, Flavor Leaf wrote:There is zero chance there isn’t at least 2 scum in
PoV
JJD, Golden Rob, PP, Lalendra, Wave, Wheme, and I will power lynch my way through after the mason claim comes through.

Hint, I will not be going after JJD or Wave.

You're a mason, Wave's on your wagon which you want to lynch from, and Wave's the only non-conf town Neighbor left... and you won't vote him? How is he not obvscum from your PoV?

This is some more shitty reasoning but it could just be that he has no idea how to deal with an unproven claimed mason.

In post 3060, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Slight town lean on PP himself, but Rampage is town and so I really dislike the wagon.
A18 is still obvtown

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way. Who outside of the 3 leading wagons could we go to? Obv. Wave is my preference, but I don't think that's going to gain legs.

This seems like town that has replaced in and isn't really settled in his reads willing to compromise. TBG could have pretty easily stayed off the wagon considering he was still playing catch up at this point.

In post 3117, TehBrawlGuy wrote:busy irl so can't reply fully, but UNVOTE: wheme[\unvote].

still want lynch, just bad policy to run to l-1 preclaim

What, no one ever hammers at an unexpected time while someone is at L-1! It's unthinkable!

This looks shitty in retrospect but seems pretty reasonable for a conservative town player going by the book.

In post 3184, TehBrawlGuy wrote:just intent so he claims instead of playing around

Seems towny.

In post 3196, TehBrawlGuy wrote:UNVOTE: wheme

This vote's coming back tonight but I'll give you a few hours time.

Looks shitty in retrospect but I almost want to say scum would not unvote their buddy twice while waiting for a claim. Wheme was far up the wagon and it would make more sense to assume there's a good chance he goes down. It looks shitty but strikes me as having more town-motivation than being indicative of what tchill calls "stalling." This isn't really stalling, this is not letting a happen before a claim is out. From TBG's perspective as town, if he has put an un-claimed TPR at L-1 and scum hammers before claim/results, he is fucked.

In post 3233, TehBrawlGuy wrote:VOTE: wheme

Some more explanation here would have been dope. I mean he was lynching through a doctor claim and nothing?

In post 3250, WhemeStar wrote:Holy some1 has a brain

This reads like wheme trying to make TBG look shitty after his flip.

In post 3475, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Can either of you explain why texcat? I don't recall her being a floated lynch before, and I haven't thought anything of her up to this point.

TBG did not read ArcAngel, his predecessor... I don't know what kind of tell that is but it's surprising. Actually this might be the scummiest thing TBG has said all game, in not even being aware of who his predecessor voted.

In post 3540, TehBrawlGuy wrote:

In post 3533, Tchill13 wrote:no i understand and would be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you were not a huge suspect.

Like i said im worried scum would try to use the context of the situation to achieve a mislynch on jarjar.

why would creature or lalendra be less likely to bus than jarjar? That does take skill and effort, what jarjar did, as either alignment.

i shouldn't be though - I endorsed Wheme lynch over the other two wagons, and unvoted for purely policy reasons while plainly stating I still wanted Wheme dead. I was also probably the most mentioned candidate for a potential CFD off of Wheme.

you're coming at JJD from the opposite angle I am. I'm not looking at who was most or least likely to bus Wheme, coming at it from ???->Wheme. I'm saying that if you look at Wheme's own behavior foremost, looking for Wheme->??? the biggest associative is that Wheme was weakly bussing JJD. Going the other way from JJD->Wheme, it checks out that they'd be a scumpair, but I really care about the link from Wheme->JJD. There isn't any Wheme->Creature or Wheme->Lala link, unless you count Wheme's really early vote on Lala.

I don't fully understand why TBG prioritizes busses over off-the-wagon and I don't get why he wants to ignore texcat when his predecessor thought the slot was scummy.

In post 3551, TehBrawlGuy wrote:huh, idk why i didn't remember there being a wheme->creature link when there's such a large one. I guess it's because I was focused on the votes so much

yeah, OK, I can get on board with Creature being linked to Wheme

I still like JJD better, but I'm OK with Creature wagon now. I'd be willing to bet at least one of the two is Scum.

I don't really get this.

In post 3790, TehBrawlGuy wrote:anyway, VOTE: texcat

JJD wagon has no legs (sad)
I don't like Mylo/Dunn wagons
Lalawagon is OK at face value, but Wave and JJD both being on it gives me the heeblies

Tex is mildly leanscum, mostly on the wagon because the other wagons are no bueno. feelsbad going to a wagon I'm not super jazzed about, but I did hit Wheme that way, so it could be worse

TBG did you just not read texcat before when you were defending him or wtf?

In post 3968, TehBrawlGuy wrote:

@Krazy

Here's the important information

the last 10-20 pages of D2 are the most cruical, the rest of D1-D2 is skippable

Hopkirk is confrmed masons with the late Flavor Leaf
Ausuka is confirmed IC, and neighbors with Wave, and the late Performer, who was also Vengeful
PP is claimed VT

Regardless of alignment this was a dope post and super helpful.

In post 4064, TehBrawlGuy wrote:that's the man from the "wine in front of me" scene of princess bride, where WIFOM gets its name from

he's saying that scum might do that specifically because it would give them towncred as a thing scum would be unlikely to do

imo, I don't think scum being lynched yesterday actually affects the rest oft the scumteam's willingness to bus very much. When you have a 3 man scumteam, yeah, losing one makes you reluctant to bus and leave it all in the hand of the last scum. When you have 5 or 6, a scummate getting MLed is pretty meh.

TBG and I share the same reasoning on likely busses on day 3.

In post 4163, TehBrawlGuy wrote:if we all swap tex becomes the leading wagon with momentum

CHOO CHOO

This is town.





TBG is

There are some questions:
why and when did your position on texcat change?
why did you not read your previous slot and forgot about his texcat votes?

Here is a premise you have to accept for TBG to be scum:


Is that a likely scenario?
[/quote]

me not wanting to being Wheme to L-1 makes even more sense in the context of one of my previous games,

god damn it I hit the wrong button

Yeah I broke quotes in there at one point too, I probably should have spread it out over two posts so it was easier to respond to. Thoughts for the next SORTING HAT ADVENTURE.

In post 5357, Krazy wrote:So 100% of your case on TBG is based on Wheme's actions? You are ignoring the actions of TBG's slot itself?

nope. they're based on TBG's actions too...

way to discredit though.

did krazy just throw a tantrum over a minor addition to why I believe TBG is scum?

I think he did.

krazy you don't think its weird he's been widely SR'd and his wagon hasn't had like 4 ppl on it ever?

anyway, in response to Krazy

me not wanting to being Wheme to L-1 makes even more sense in the context of one of my previous games, mini 2010, which finished shortly before this started. Town got run up to L-1 and got speedhammered by another Town. I had literally seen that happen. I mentioned it earlier, too, so I don't know why everyone keeps glossing over that fact to just go "TbG wAs STaLLiNG". There's just such a lack of contextual thinking here.

I don't recall ever defending Texcat or changing positions on her. At the time of early D3, I was still trying to do basic sorting of people - I had read the thread from when I /in'd to the present, and I had read the isos people told me to read, but neither of those had much on tex, so they were still null. I asked about her because I needed to decided if I wanted to read over that slot immediately, or continue pushing the reads I had and evaluate Tex over time or later.

You're correct, I didn't read my slot, so I didn't forget about his Tex vote, rather. I never knew about it. I think there's more value in having a fresh pair of eyes come in than anything else. Yeah, it gives me a known-town's perspective on the game, but first, the thread benefits more from having my own pure perspective instead of some weird amalgamation between both, and second, just because my slotmate was town, doesn't mean he was right, or even close. Look no further than this game, which has been full of shitty reads by our confirmed Town players, for proof of that.

In post 5356, Tchill13 wrote:I think how and who wheme reacted with at the end of his lynch could be pretty useful info.

the lalendra and dunn lynches happened because of their interaction with the wheme lynch.

the wheme lynch is still the main prirority.

yes, and both of those were mislynches on town

do you not see why that makes this is a bad strategy?

if you want to lynch me for the same reasons you lynched them, you've clearly learned nothing from their flips. lol

I think it's weird you're voting him since he's town.

Saying your case has shit reasoning isn't throwing a tantrum, it's the truth.

So far your case is:

-I'm sheeping other people
-Stuff scum did
-He hasn't had a wagon

All three of those are shit reasons, QED your case is shit. <--this is not tantrum Krazy

In post 5369, TehBrawlGuy wrote:if you want to lynch me for the same reasons you lynched them, you've clearly learned nothing from their flips. lol

clearly not why i want to lynch you. I just added that.

In post 5370, Krazy wrote:I think it's weird you're voting him since he's town.

Saying your case has shit reasoning isn't throwing a tantrum, it's the truth.

So far your case is:

-I'm sheeping other people
-Stuff scum did
-He hasn't had a wagon

All three of those are shit reasons, QED your case is shit. <--this is not tantrum Krazy

yeah keep tunneling gamma buddy you're really helping town.

oh also I should VOTE: wave since that has momentum and JJD doesn't

In post 5372, Tchill13 wrote:
yeah keep tunneling gamma buddy you're really helping town.

Would you be on board for a Texcat lynch?