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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:44 am
by lilith2013
I probably won’t say anything else until I can write something that won’t get me banned.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:45 am
by skitter30
i guess i'm not crazy for thinking that fn + bomb + mfd was kinda balanced
and i was right on tw way back when, wrong just about on anything else
i think this was lost like early day2 and i guess i'll have a retrospective on just why/how later
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:45 am
by skitter30
In post 5350, lilith2013 wrote:I probably won’t say anything else until I can write something that won’t get me banned.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:47 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5348, Raven Branwen wrote: In post 203, Raven Branwen wrote:I’m extremely hurt that anyone would think I’d ever pull this kind of shit as some kind of scum strategy. Just because I rolled scum doesn’t mean my emotions weren’t 100% real - including my reaction to essentially misreading Lilith’s post and getting genuinely upset about that as well.
I take having my ethics called into question like that extremely upsetting. There is no mafia game ever where I jerk people around like that to win a game and it’s horribly insulting that anyone would think so little of my character. I never go out of my way to hurt people. I don’t know what you guys think I’m capable of but I don’t do that to further my wincon
especially
as scum ffs!
I just posted this in the scum PT so if @Skitter and @Dats want to go off on me for that I 100% don’t deserve it. I’m not a fucking psycopath!
And you can fucking ask duckling if you think I’m lying about any of this. He will 100% confirm I 100% did have an actual meltdown, for the exact reasons I claimed.
and I even made it clear in that post that it wasn’t game related and NAI. I never ever lie about rl anything and I sure af am not some fucking sadist. I don’t treat people that way ever, I couldn’t live with myself if I did!
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:51 am
by skitter30
i have some things to say to that i that i probably should not say here
in fact i have a lot of things to say that i probably don't want to say rn
but yeah
enjoyed the pl for the most part
grats scum
micc i gotta say that the game was ~out-of-the-norm~ enough that it was hard to make any determinations on what or could be considered fair-game here.
i thought the game was normal-adjacent until the pooky vig/bomb thing happened. and then didn't. and then did again cuz he was probably lying, right? and then the mfd kinda threw all that out of the window
thanks for modding tho
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:52 am
by Raven Branwen
If anyone thinks I make up this kind of shit - to lay out my raw emotions like this and thoroughly embarass myself to win a fucking internet game, I have no words.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:53 am
by skitter30
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:54 am
by lilith2013
In post 5350, lilith2013 wrote:I probably won’t say anything else until I can write something that won’t get me banned.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:58 am
by the worst
In post 5353, Raven Branwen wrote:And you can fucking ask duckling if you think I’m lying about any of this. He will 100% confirm I 100% did have an actual meltdown, for the exact reasons I claimed.
I can definitely back up that you were really visibly shaken & upset by that exchange, yeah. I don't know if this conversation needs to happen in public / right now though; it might be healthier to wait until everyone has calmed down a bit then chat about it directly?
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:59 am
by Raven Branwen
Fine but all of it was 100% real. I don’t play with people’s emotions like that especially as scum.
As for what I posted post-hammer, you never want to assume the game is over until it actually is.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:03 am
by Datisi
man, this game.
here's my notes thread where you can read how bad i am at this game, if anyone needs a laugh, and it seems like we do need it:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83851
thank you for modding, micc.
@scum, gg.
@raven, if this is about the me/you/pooky spat (from yesterday? a few days back? i genuinely don't remember, time is an illusion) i do believe that was an unintentional shitfest that spiraled out of control very quickly and was ultimately NAI and we all would've liked it better if it hadn't happened, and i treated it as such.
@pooky... sorry. just... sorry.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:03 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5358, the worst wrote: In post 5353, Raven Branwen wrote:And you can fucking ask duckling if you think I’m lying about any of this. He will 100% confirm I 100% did have an actual meltdown, for the exact reasons I claimed.
I can definitely back up that you were really visibly shaken & upset by that exchange, yeah. I don't know if this conversation needs to happen in public / right now though; it might be healthier to wait until everyone has calmed down a bit then chat about it directly?
<3 Thank you. Yeah I am seriously hurt that anyone would think me capable of such despicable behaviour, so yeah I’ve been crying in the scum discord ever since I read those comments from Skitt/Dats and I knew I couldn’t handle it if I waited until after the fact.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:09 am
by skitter30
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:11 am
by Raven Branwen
Both duckling and I actually did think Pooky was super obvtown and I 100% meant what I said that he sounded 180 degrees different to me here than in coalition.
It is also true that town!me would have had some niggling doubts about his posts about town!duckling executing Pooky to confirm his role.
This game was emotional torture for me and I probably couldn’t have gotten through it without duckling’s support.
I’m legit feel bad if anything I did was unintentionally hurtful in anyway. I never want to hurt anyone.
@Sorry dsjstr for the deathtunnel but I probably would have done that as town as well.
@Sorry Pooky, I know you were put through the ringer and if you ever want to vent, feel free to either PM or DM me. Same for dsjstr or anyone else.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:17 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5360, Datisi wrote:man, this game.
here's my notes thread where you can read how bad i am at this game, if anyone needs a laugh, and it seems like we do need it:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83851
thank you for modding, micc.
@scum, gg.
@raven, if this is about the me/you/pooky spat (from yesterday? a few days back? i genuinely don't remember, time is an illusion) i do believe that was an unintentional shitfest that spiraled out of control very quickly and was ultimately NAI and we all would've liked it better if it hadn't happened, and i treated it as such.
@pooky... sorry. just... sorry.
My emotions are always real. I realize that may have been hard to believe that scum!me could have had a meltdown for the exact same reasons I stated but I did
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:17 am
by Something_Smart
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:20 am
by Raven Branwen
We had to kill you because we couldn’t take the chance that you would figure out the game and I think you were the only one who possibly could have. Preventing Skitter’s FN confirmation was actually secondary. We 100% needed you gone before you put two + two together and completely destroyed our game.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:21 am
by Something_Smart
That's really all I have to say. Pooky got dealt a terrible hand and then played it terribly.
Bodyguard claim seems to have been playing with fire when you didn't know the whole setup, no? Surely if Pooky's PR had been stronger you would have paid for that.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:22 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5366, Raven Branwen wrote:
We had to kill you because we couldn’t take the chance that you would figure out the game and I think you were the only one who possibly could have. Preventing Skitter’s FN confirmation was actually secondary. We 100% needed you gone before you put two + two together and completely destroyed our game.
We actually thought she was just regular town neighbour and that Pooky was a 1 shot dayvig deactivator.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:25 am
by skitter30
ok makes me feel a bit better than, the setup was kinda wack which didn't help things
significant portion of clearing tw came down to that but given the setup not sure i could have assessed that otherwise
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:29 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5367, Something_Smart wrote:That's really all I have to say. Pooky got dealt a terrible hand and then played it terribly.
Bodyguard claim seems to have been playing with fire when you didn't know the whole setup, no? Surely if Pooky's PR had been stronger you would have paid for that.
This is an open setups and we were given a suboptimal selection of fakeclaims. Duckling almost went with regular town neighbour but it turned out that the bg choice worked a lot better. Duckling did legit think that Koba had softed a PR and was initially his first kill choice. SS, I mean.
He also wanted us to use mfd D1 and we had a bit of a heated discussion on why Lillith was the optimal kill and by duckling. We were both in sync with Skitt mfd kill N2.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:33 am
by Something_Smart
Like if the bomb claims then they're just a fancy VT and scum can STILL kill them if they want. If the bomb doesn't claim then again they either do nothing or whoops, one scum is dead and the other has to mark so town gains an extra mis-exe and a free scum kill. And scum don't know that this is what the mark is meant to avoid.
This might be balanced per se but it's balanced around a small chance of a bomb hit which wrecks scum and a larger chance of no bomb hit when town just has no power.
Sorry, Micc and schadd, but there's my $0.02. If you've got a review topic for this, I would like to see it, just to see what you considered and thought about.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:34 am
by the worst
In post 5367, Something_Smart wrote:Bodyguard claim seems to have been playing with fire when you didn't know the whole setup, no? Surely if Pooky's PR had been stronger you would have paid for that.
I was expecting to go down in a blaze of glory for like the entirety of day one and the first chunk of day two; it was a hail mary and I got, like, *obscenely* lucky.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:38 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5367, Something_Smart wrote:That's really all I have to say. Pooky got dealt a terrible hand and then played it terribly.
Bodyguard claim seems to have been playing with fire when you didn't know the whole setup, no? Surely if Pooky's PR had been stronger you would have paid for that.
If you read YoM1, you would notice that the scum and town roles matched pretty well. That’s how I new immediately that Skitter was either regular town neighbour or FN. As for Pooky, he kept talking speculating on whether or not scum had a 1 shot kill, so I deduced correctly that he had some kind of killing role.
In YoM1, town had an N2 investigator and scum a rolecop, so since duckling was mafia neighbour, Skitt’s role made perfect sense. I actually initially considered my mfd role to be a negative utility but duckling eventually made me realize that it could be a positive.
I also think that duckling claiming a bg on SS sort of made his role confirmed and greatly helped take suspicion off of him post mfd Skitter mark.
We did have a backup plan had Pooky been flipped over dsjstr but it would have put duckling in a weaker position. We did discuss my bussing duckling but w/o a regular NK, it would have been a tough road.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:39 am
by lilith2013
I’ll start with good things:
- my 100% read rate on SS stays intact yayyyyyy (now I just have to beat my record of lockreading within 17 SS posts)
- I enjoyed playing with most of you