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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:49 am
by superbowl9
In post 5348, Titus wrote: In post 5346, superbowl9 wrote: In post 5344, Titus wrote:Because I feel DDL is a misexecute and if we're taking a shot, I'd rather hit scum. So Pickaxe Pete or SS.
I'd rather hit scum so let's shoot outside confscum?? If DDL is town then we have a guaranteed 1/2 scum!
So then we should execute Pickaxe but based on the popularity of DDL, I don't feel that's happening.
So your position is I should accept the misexecute?
Well saying DDL isn't scum so we should go outside the POE makes less sense than DDL isn't scum so let's go elsewhere within the poe is what I'm saying
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:51 am
by TheGoldenParadox
i think shooting outside the confscum group isn't a great idea for today. i'm fairly equal on jjh/ddl scumreads and TRing pete more, but choosing to execute outside the group gives scum in that group more time to manipulate and/or use their prs if they have them. basically, 1+/3 is better than 4/12 and our collective, comparative reads on the three are likely to be better than our reads overall.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:57 am
by superbowl9
TGP who are your top scumreads?
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:00 am
by Titus
@superbowl @TGP
Shooting inside the group makes more sense if you feel there's a decent chance of being wrong I guess. You're accurate there and if Almost50 isn't taking a hero shot, that can't be held against us. Mathematically, it makes more sense to shoot outside the group, if we feel confident outside rather than inside.
Inside right now we have 1/3 or 33 percent odds of hitting correctly.
Outside we have 3/ (18-6-3) or 3/9 or also 33 percent odds of hitting correctly. Plus, I have more townreads in the outer group.
This doesn't factor in reads.
If we factor in likely group reads, I feel we have a zero percent chance if DDL or jjh is selected.
Thus we go to 50/50 to the group collective.
And then still, 3/9 in the outside the collective.
If we're wrong on shooting SS (or just outside the group)...
Then we get 1/3
3/8
So if we're going to be wrong, then shooting within the group is better.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:03 am
by MathBlade
In post 5353, Titus wrote:@superbowl @TGP
Shooting inside the group makes more sense if you feel there's a decent chance of being wrong I guess. You're accurate there and if Almost50 isn't taking a hero shot, that can't be held against us. Mathematically, it makes more sense to shoot outside the group, if we feel confident outside rather than inside.
Inside right now we have 1/3 or 33 percent odds of hitting correctly.
Outside we have 3/ (18-6-3) or 3/9 or also 33 percent odds of hitting correctly. Plus, I have more townreads in the outer group.
This doesn't factor in reads.
If we factor in likely group reads, I feel we have a zero percent chance if DDL or jjh is selected.
Thus we go to 50/50 to the group collective.
And then still, 3/9 in the outside the collective.
If we're wrong on shooting SS (or just outside the group)...
Then we get 1/3
3/8
So if we're going to be wrong, then shooting within the group is better.
Math error:
Titus is assuming exactly one scum in those three. Number unknown.
Titus is also suffering from Monty Hall Problem.
Please revise.
*lurks*
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:04 am
by Something_Smart
In post 5337, Titus wrote:The NKA regarding who made such a kill. Scum making such a kill isn't out of the ordinary. Plus is more likely to be protected on the night he gives out the power, if town even has a doctor.
Well, I never said that the kill was especially likely to come from any particular player. That's all A50.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:06 am
by Something_Smart
Fortunately, I don't have to convince you, I have to convince A50, and he knows that me not having reads isn't scum-indicative.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:06 am
by superbowl9
In post 5353, Titus wrote:Inside right now we have 1/3 or 33 percent odds of hitting correctly.
Outside we have 3/ (18-6-3) or 3/9 or also 33 percent odds of hitting correctly. Plus, I have more townreads in the outer group.
I don't think this stat is correct, we have AT LEAST a 33% chance (33%-100%) of hitting within conf group, we have anywhere from 1-4 in the other 9, so an 11%-44% chance. <-- when it's phrased like this it becomes clear what our option is
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:07 am
by superbowl9
In post 5354, MathBlade wrote:Math error:
Titus is assuming exactly one scum in those three. Number unknown.
Titus is also suffering from Monty Hall Problem.
Please revise.
Dw gotchu fam
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:10 am
by superbowl9
In post 5357, superbowl9 wrote:we have AT LEAST a 33% chance (33%-100%) of hitting within conf group, we have anywhere from 1-4 in the other 9, so an 11%-44% chance. <-- when it's phrased like this it becomes clear what our option is
And if we shoot wrong within the group we now have 22%-44% outside and 50%-100% inside. Pretty clearly statistics say shoot inside until we hit scum
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:11 am
by Something_Smart
town - Mathblade, NorwegianboyEE
protown 3p - A50, Morning Mage, superbowl9
townlean - jjh, DS
3p who's at least trying to help town - Titus
null - Tayl0r, Chemist, shelly, DDL, TGP
non-protown 3p - mastina, Nero Cain
scumlean - Pete, Bell
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:13 am
by superbowl9
Why the jjh townlean SS?
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:15 am
by Titus
Player Name | Execution Preference |
shellyc | DDL>Pete>jjh |
Chemist1422 | |
Bell | DDL (doesn't disagree - yucky) |
mastina | DDL |
Nero Cain | DDL (but prefers outside) |
MathBlade | Pete |
Morning Mage | DDL, or outside mod's trio shelly or taylor |
Almost50 | Blank for good reason |
superbowl9 | jjh |
Tayl0r Swift | DDL |
jjh927 | not DDL so Pete by PoE |
Titus | Pickaxe Pete |
NorwegianboyEE | DDL |
Pickaxe Pete | DDL until "latest stunt by jjh" |
DiamondSentinel | |
Something_Smart | Not jjh [JJH is town, and SS is scum] |
DrDolittle | Pete? |
TheGoldenParadox | |
[/quote]
Is there a lag on MS for anyone else or is it my internet?
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:16 am
by Something_Smart
In post 4642, Something_Smart wrote:It's likely that jjh is indeed ascetic, and if he is ascetic, there's a decent chance he doesn't claim it as scum, but a smaller chance he doesn't claim it as town. So mild preference for not him.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:16 am
by Something_Smart
I think it's your internet, site is fine for me
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:19 am
by superbowl9
Got it i remember you saying that now. Just curious why do you think an ascetic claim is more likely town than scum here?
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:19 am
by MathBlade
In post 5362, Titus wrote:Player Name | Execution Preference |
shellyc | DDL>Pete>jjh |
Chemist1422 | |
Bell | DDL (doesn't disagree - yucky) |
mastina | DDL |
Nero Cain | DDL (but prefers outside) |
MathBlade | Pete |
Morning Mage | DDL, or outside mod's trio shelly or taylor |
Almost50 | Blank for good reason |
superbowl9 | jjh |
Tayl0r Swift | DDL |
jjh927 | not DDL so Pete by PoE |
Titus | Pickaxe Pete |
NorwegianboyEE | DDL |
Pickaxe Pete | DDL until "latest stunt by jjh" |
DiamondSentinel | |
Something_Smart | Not jjh [JJH is town, and SS is scum] |
DrDolittle | Pete? |
TheGoldenParadox | |
Is there a lag on MS for anyone else or is it my internet?[/quote]
If you want others to use your chart, probably best if you remove personal opinion.
Otherwise probably best in a personal PT.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:24 am
by Something_Smart
In post 5365, superbowl9 wrote:Just curious why do you think an ascetic claim is more likely town than scum here?
The logic's in the post you quoted. Ascetic-scum-jjh might just not claim ascetic and enjoy his investigative immunity.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:25 am
by Titus
I stand corrected. I think I have said my piece.
Pickaxe Chemist SS Bell.
Unless anyone has something specific to discuss with me, I am willing to wait on A50.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:26 am
by MathBlade
In post 5368, Titus wrote:I stand corrected. I think I have said my piece.
Pickaxe Chemist SS Bell.
Unless anyone has something specific to discuss with me, I am willing to wait on A50.
Can you please go look at my last few posts before I went to bed?
You don’t need to respond but I suggest you need them. Obviously I don’t know what you do (although I suspect I am right) but imho the Titus/Mastina/Nero hood or the 7 hood needs to change something.
Can’t really detail a lot working.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:27 am
by Titus
Math, I would love to see your VCA supposing the council of 7 are all townsiding.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:29 am
by MathBlade
In post 5370, Titus wrote:Math, I would love to see your VCA supposing the council of 7 are all townsiding.
Hahahaha a vca with overtime this week and drs appointments
It’s been difficult enough to keep up.
Respectfully not until Monday night at earliest and maybe not even then.
From memory both wagons were 3P heavy so not much likely visible so I punted
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:39 am
by Titus
@Mathblade,
That's the thing about conftown working in concert with more information. We can't take the chance of sharing our information (particularly our wincon), with anyone who isn't scum. So when you have one group that has more information than another, it's going to feel a bit like chess pieces. There's not much to be done. You and DS naturally rebel in such situations. Well scum!DS wouldn't. So there's always going to be conflict. It's what happened in that one game where Cerb and I were conftown and we misexecuted you due to your resistance.
I understand if this means our 3p needs to be shot, but it is what it is. If you become confirmed not!Army, I would advocate letting you know everything.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:40 am
by Something_Smart
That would be all well and good if you were in fact conftown
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:43 am
by Something_Smart
The problem that I have (and presumably this is the same one that Mathblade and DS also have) is not that you have more information and are using it to make decisions we don't understand. That's perfectly fine as far as it goes.
It's that you're doing all that, while giving us little reason to believe that your motives are what you say they are.