Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[RH9]

Actually, I'll admit the truth.

[RH9]

I didn't want to upset S_S by saying 'I wish that implosion was here' so instead I referred to implosion as my 'hero'.

[Datisi]

You have been better at reading me than in this game

where

i am asking you to do the thing you love so much and say in which games have i been better at reading you than here

that's literally all i'm asking

[Datisi]

What is there for me to engage with anyhow?

- you said that you have no idea why titus/std are getting voted, after quoting my 4952 where i explained what problems i have with titus this game.
- you completely ignored the last part of 4963, which was explaining that i didn't push you for "not getting a joke" and you just kept up with the same push.
- then you attack me for somehow not taking norwee's word on your alignment, when that is something i very much don't do (unless in edge cases like lilith on s_s). seems like you don't want to solve me, you just want to find reasons to attack me.
- and you are still ignoring when i am asking, for the 5th time, which games have i been better at reading you than here.

[Datisi]

Completely NIA but why isn’t your push on me/Shiro “fucking disgusting”? And you’re calling ME a “hypocrite”?

i have reasons to think you're scum, which aren't getting refuted, your read on me is "datisi push my pair so datisi scum". so yeah, i am.

[Datisi]

Marci wanted to pair with LLD though, doesn’t that spew her town?

no? god forbid scum does this thing called theatre? unless you're about to give me a convincing explanation on why lld would seriously discourage this kind of distancing, i don't see it as clearing.

This flies in the face of Datisi's theorizing. If Datisi wants me to give him and GL credit for "driving" the marcistar wagon. If that's the case, then why doesn't StD get credit for being the first on the wagon? Why does Datisi still have issues with Alyssa?

didn't std vote there at the time where people were occupied with voting other pairs? like as far as i remember, that wagon wasn't anywhere close to being a serious wagon when std first voted. whereas me and guilty voted together after talking about it in our pt, and making a wago go from 2 to 4 while actually pushing cases on it made the wagon so much likely to actually go through. i don't think std nor alyssa were especially *trying* to get it through.

though, i see rh9 did vote there first and then he unvoted for ?????? reasons.

[Datisi]

the last 30-40 pages have been completely worthless

strong agree

holy shit im so in the zone of thinking std has to be scum i thought he was scumreading andante. Okay he has been saying andante is town. This game has me in mismemory holes.

i guess this is the time at which i should be asking what specifically were those std/marci interactions you didn't like but idk if the conversation even is at that point anymore

i need some dats and guiltylion in my life

i am around here somewhere

fire still feels really town to me but i am starting to think i might actually be wrong on andante

i have a hard time believing we have concidentally same reads and that ur "datisi maf" was a reaction test to get reads especially given ur reaction to me saying if u said it again im gonna leave u....but okay.

I don't know andante. Its hard to follow u.

right, so... what reads did you get from that, andante?

he’s suddenly hardpushing to kill us

he's doing what

titus here makes me think she's tonally town because she does feel like she's trying to get town to cooperate with each other. but i guess my issue is that our reads are so backwards from one another i find it lowkey impossible to actually work with her

I don't agree with your logic on 979. I don't see why it couldn't have been distancing.

thank you s_s

[Datisi]

ok i'm done i hate this game

i'm keeping my vote on std/titus until std returns and explains how did he go from "i'm scumleaning gl but i really need to reassess there" to nakedvoting our pair, because it feels like it was done in reaction to me voting his pair, which uh? i don't get how that's consistent at all

i feel like i should have more opinions on andante here and i just Don't so i'm gonna give myself a few hours for that convo to settle down then reread it and try again

[Taly]

ily datisi <3 happy holidays all

[Taly]

Yall are getting several Taly wallposts and a potential PowerPoint tomorrow

[Titus]

I completely disagree on the value of these pages. These pages have forced me to get down and be critical of my reads. They've reaffirmed them mostly.

I don't like the fact Datisi's hating this game (doubt he'd lie about that) and that suggests he's town given the gamestate. This game is immensely frustrating because there's too many cooks in the kitchen and not enough people eating. People are not critically listening but just hoping to get their way.

If people were critically listening, the town have made themselves pretty obvious with high WIM here, which creates this gamestate. This gamestate rarely happens with scum trying to push things. From my vast experience, there's not many players who keep up with this as scum. The usual preferred tactic is to wait for town to slip up or piss each other off to tunnelsville.

Waiting here is doubly likely for scum as absence is NAI. This means presence is townie but town can and will be absent on a holiday. Why would scum show on a holiday and interrupt town ripping itself?

If scum showed, they wouldn't be the ones interfering with the gamestate. Not this one.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

If there wasn't a reason to townread Titus before, that post is literally it

[Titus]

reads are so backwards from one another i find it lowkey impossible to actually work with her

I think this partially comes from our differences in how we play the game. I look for, and protect, my towncore. Then, scum eventually fall.

You're looking for scum and willing to risk town. I largely am not, particularly the town that are trying here.

[Datisi]

funnily enough, my usual town playstyle is build towncore > share reads > poe. something about this game makes it difficult. maybe the dance, i don't know.

but okay. let's talk. active town, scum doing nothing - who is town and who is scum here?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Also after sleeping on it, I don't think Andante's posting last night is town

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I was kinda wavering on it at the time

[Galron]

I didn't want to upset S_S by saying 'I wish that implosion was here' so instead I referred to implosion as my 'hero'.

Can you town case yourself?

[Titus]

Firebringer & Andante - I'm leaning town on Fire. He's got a high vocal presence (highest poster) but I hardly remember anything he's done. Adante coming back only to defend himself is bad. He showed an agenda to FoS me by blaming me for a push on Galron I never made. That suggests he's looking for reasons to FoS my slot. StD has issues with Fire that are meta. I don't value meta heavily, but I respect StD. - Would eliminate
Taly & Ydrasse - We're not supposed to talk here.
Save the Dragons & Titus - I townread StD due to our early mindmeld and his preholiday WIM.
Marcistar & Not_Mafia - Flipped
Datisi & GuiltyLion - Datisi I went back and forth on before these pages. Datisi feels like discouraged wrong town. GuiltyLion has bad, unsupported pushes and lots of random words about irrelevant things. I have zero idea who he FoSes. Given my inability to see eye to eye with Datisi and my GL scumread, I would eliminate here.
RH9 & Alyssa the Lamb - I strongly TR Alyssa based on the early game, then the interaction where she wanted to kill me, then her presence later on. She's real clear about what she wants. Rh9 on the other hand, is not clear about what he wants despite his number of posts. He says that's style but I'm underwhelmed. I'd compromise on Rh9 if it didn't mean limming Alyssa.
Shiro & Harley Quinn - Shiro's high WIM is inconsistent with his scumgame. HQ has no reason to lie about that and it's present in the thread, minus the holiday. HQ's WIM is insane. Her tonal tells are strong and her reads progress in a nonscummy way.
Galron & Something_Smart - Galron's interactions with LLD are not scum. He outright went against a scum agenda. His reaction to my strong TR was to question it. Then SS, we have the high WIM and LLD's willingness to work with him. SS is a moderate TR.

[Something_Smart]

No it sounds to me like she wanted cb dead because he was sr her.

This is a circular argument. You're assuming catboi is town and then proving catboi is town. If he was scum, then marci obviously wouldn't really be afraid of him, but it would make sense for her to post something like that for distancing purposes.

[Something_Smart]

I just felt like if S_S got upset by me, I won't be able to recover, because he's real nice and seems like a good person.

Don't worry about it, I can handle it. Implosion is great anyway, I'm glad that you look up to him.

[Titus]

I forgot Shiro was catboi. Add early catboi mindmeld to reasons to TR Shiro.

@SS can you engage my wall?

[Something_Smart]

GuiltyLion has bad, unsupported pushes and lots of random words about irrelevant things.

Well, this not being scum indicative is the first thing that comes to mind. Clearly he doesn't think they're irrelevant, and if unsupported arguments were scummy then Harley would be all three remaining scum combined, so this feels more like a playstyle/personality clash to me?

[Something_Smart]

Titus, when was the last time you played with scum-Shiro? I know my wim varies significantly from scumgame to scumgame, why couldn't that be true of him?

[Something_Smart]

Was the mindmeld you townread STD for in the main thread or in your PT? If the former, can you link it?

[Titus]

GuiltyLion has bad, unsupported pushes and lots of random words about irrelevant things.

Well, this not being scum indicative is the first thing that comes to mind. Clearly he doesn't think they're irrelevant, and if unsupported arguments were scummy then Harley would be all three remaining scum combined, so this feels more like a playstyle/personality clash to me?

Absolutely not. In Situation Room, his reads were on point and supported. He's fully capable of being a stronger player but he isn't.

It's been awhile since I played with scum Shiro, but he doesn't push things as scum. He's also catboi as well.

As for StD links coming right up.