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Sorry for getting in your way btw titus!

You never posted "we started the game as masons"

Even without a janitor, if LLD nightkills you (through 1-shot BP or whatever janitored passive you had, strongman is not a rare role), LLD claims 1-shot N1 masonizer and without anything contradicting it in your iso I'm buying that claim everytime and still losing.

Woah how did scum win

Well done LLD

In post 5394, Dannflor wrote:I'm just saying it's not fair to blame RC for not being able to figure out that LLD was not in fact a mason. I don't think that's a ridiculous assertion to make?

In post 5328, Titus wrote:Yet, you had to be in charge and stifle all discussion. You railroaded a fair amount of the game.

The argument being made is that by making so much of the conversation of the game centered around RC's ego, that people who are solving in good-faith are not going to be able to work together to solve the game. That's absolutely a criticism in good faith and you saying "that's not fair" is making it seem like this isn't an issue that has come up before.

In Merchant's Dance he lied about his read of Nancy just so he could survive intermission -- an egotistical, political play

In this game he drove the day one lynch of LE, even though among the mislynches there were better mislynches.

He drove a bad vig on us.

And he made the push on HH slot uninformative because so much of it was about his personal reaction to their replace out.

So even when his reads are "good" the way he pursues his reads makes the game dull overall. Like, in the average game his reads may over time become above random but for him to get to his 'good' reads he usually has to drown out the rest of the thread in noise.

Katsuki's mason claim wasn't under serious critique because there were still red herrings like Croag floating around. If Katsuki had been put under more pressure then maybe people could have reevaluated LLD. Is that certain to have happened? Of course not.

But the game was auto-loss when things started getting railroaded and people got bored with the game in the end, with vigs shooting people they townread to avoid "arguments" that RC was threatening to have

In post 5202, gameplay506 wrote:Nah i will shoot SS

In post 5203, gameplay506 wrote:I would rather do that now then waste a whole day arguing about whether they are scum or not if the game doesn't end tonight.

In post 5204, Tana and Ephraim wrote:"arguing"

In post 5205, Tana and Ephraim wrote:actually nvm i remembered who the playerlist was again. there'd definitely be lots of arguing.

This exchange is fucking dumb. Regardless of how you look at it, this is a point in the game where the vig is shooting people to avoid "arguments" -- that is a sign the game has turned toxic. And why did the game turn toxic? Because no one wanted to fucking deal with RC anymore. I hadn't touched this game in days by this point, I don't even remember if I posted after day 1, but RC kept making potshots like this:

In post 5199, Tana and Ephraim wrote:this is all ignoring the most important thing, that krazy's spat with me was fucking bullshit and scummy through and through but apparently people townread him for that so...

making it fucking obvious that the "arguments" he's threatening the game with are predicated on him having refused every olive branch I offered him over the game. Him continuing to be a baby and whine nonstop about how he couldn't believe I said he's manipulative and demoralizing which are objectively fucking true observations about his play created black holes in the game that people didn't want to touch and were overcompensating to avoid.

Dann, stop defending douchebaggery. Did LLD play well? Absolutely. Did Kats fuck up? Absolutely. Did either of those things lose the game in isolation? No. RC's approach to the game and his toxic behavior that basically made half the game stop giving a fuck meant that the louder voices of opposition were looking in the wrong places or not looking at all.

Krazy just stop playing with him.

In post 5395, Dannflor wrote:it's usually a toxic approach to looking at a game

Which is why it's really cool that RC wants to solely blame Kats, right?

Titus is like, "Yeah Kats was bad but maybe we could have resolved it if you had approached the game a bit differently RC"

And you're like "Oh that's not fair!"

This is why RC is insufferable to play with, he misreads and misrepresents every criticism of his play until he can write people off as just haters. In any case he has 0 interest in changing his approach given how frequently he gets critiqued by a fairly wide range of people who have played with him quite a bit so the whole argument is, frankly, kinda moot, so trying to deny criticism is definitely going to help no one.

In post 5405, Firebringer wrote:Krazy just stop playing with him.

Solid advice

In post 5402, Firebringer wrote:Woah how did scum win

I carried

Good job chemist

@Katsuki, I love your posting.

Tbh, I faked masons only once but I'm sympathetic. My gut said something was off with LLD. To own up to things is pretty cool. Every failsafe you had failed in setup and town players.

In post 5404, Krazy wrote:And he made the push on HH slot uninformative because so much of it was about his personal reaction to their replace out.

This conversation is like, "yeah having nothing but the king and knight left is really hard, but if rc hadn't made us lose our last knight we could've figured something out. "
Dannflor: uh that's not as statement made in good faith that it would have made a difference since a knight can't checkmate mate by itself.
Everyone: *why it's RC's fault we lost the knight*

does HH count as the queen in this

I am the guy who flips over the board and walks out because this game fucking sux

like i think even that fails to capture just how pointless the situation was

it didn't matter who we lynched, we were eventually losing, we were past the event horizon when LLD was falsely confirmed town and Katsuki was dead.

I'm a faerie chess piece that is a pawn that captures forward and can't promote

In post 5416, popsofctown wrote:I'm a faerie chess piece that is a pawn that captures forward and can't promote

Wtf kind of chess r u playing

More like "maybe we shouldn't have traded the entire board so that RC could queen himself if he was counting on queen + knight to be his win condition when the knight was sitting at a1."

In post 5417, Firebringer wrote:Wtf kind of chess r u playing

obviously wizard chess

In post 5418, Krazy wrote:More like "maybe we shouldn't have traded the entire board so that RC could queen himself if he was counting on queen + knight to be his win condition when the knight was sitting at a1."

why would anyone ever put their knight on a1

that really doesn't make sense krazy

but ok

In post 5419, Krazy wrote:

In post 5417, Firebringer wrote:Wtf kind of chess r u playing

obviously wizard chess

There is no faerie chess piece in wizard chess u ducking liar

VOTE: krazy

In post 5420, Chemist1422 wrote:why would anyone ever put their knight on a1

idk ask Kats :3

i want to play faerie chess