Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.
VOTE: JohnnyFarrar
Oh my fucking god.
You said Taly/Dunn were viable wagons. I'd unvoted Roden and hadn't switched over to Johnny yet. Johnny is no less viable than Taly/Dunn but more importantly I think it's personally a much better wagon for us to back. If this doesn't work I will switch to Mala, deal?
Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.
VOTE: JohnnyFarrar
Oh my fucking god.
We playing mafia.
Gods don't know this place.
It’s an expression I am an atheist.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:30 am
by Frogsterking
In post 5358, Off The Hook wrote:why do you think gamestate awareness is scummy? (if that's the read you have on cephrir)
~GE
I nullread Ceph atm some of my townreads talked me down from that scumread.
As for gamestate awareness I think it can be rapidly developed as a result of self consciousness or calculating ahead (which is easier having knowledge about the situation).
I think Nancy's been involved with many of the last 5000 posts. When I made that comment to you there were less than 300 posts in the game and I was grasping at anything I could find. Nancy's made more posts than that by now herself. That's the difference between the two contexts that I made that comment.
Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.
VOTE: JohnnyFarrar
Oh my fucking god.
You said Taly/Dunn were viable wagons. I'd unvoted Roden and hadn't switched over to Johnny yet. Johnny is no less viable than Taly/Dunn but more importantly I think it's personally a much better wagon for us to back. If this doesn't work I will switch to Mala, deal?
town!Rad is pointing out that town!Malcolm is overthinking things, because that's literally the case if Malcolm is town.
Could scum!Rad be trying to AtE town!Malcolm? Sure.
Could town!Rad be missing scum!Malcolm pushing more shade? Sure.
I think it's town!Malcolm here and I'm trying to reason with him. Fucking vote me if you think I'm scum already.
Again this feels like a post where you're just frustrated at being suspected because until now you'd been widely TR'd. DP is correctly pointing out that criticising a player for overthinking things is an odd approach to take when playing mafia.
I've not voted for you because I'm personally more confident on Johnny coming back as scum and because Johnny is a more viable wagon - I doubt people would be willing to vote you out and no point in starting a complete vanity wagon at this point in the day.
In post 5311, Rad wrote:Yo nancy if you're town, we just don't pay nicely together. You don't understand me, I don't understand you, and we're both getting scummy reads from it. Let's just back off each other ok? I read your past town games and you focus so hard on anyone who thinks you're scum that I know I'm walking into a town death land mine discussing anything with you. How about I point out stuff I find strange about you, you point out stuff you find strange about me, and we let other people sort us out? Deal?
This feels like an odd post. It's as if Rad wants to back off from earlier Puppets reads/interactions a bit but wants to articulate a reason for doing so that seems overly townie on the off-chance anyone calls them out about it.
Malcolm, do you feel like you might read into things too much?
Just curious if you've run through that sort of introspection. Cause town!Malcolm is reading into it too much and just inherently disbelieving me at every turn. I couldn't help but read you scummy for it before until I got a chance to read your ISO and see how consistent you are with it.
Possibly, but then reading into things is a vital part of the game, no? Perhaps I've started to SR you and my brain is instinctively looking for reasons to validate that read - but ultimately if you hold a read on D1 as town unless the other player is rubbish (and I very much don't think you are!) you're to some degree going to have to read into things that might not end up being there or as you interpret them down the line. I'm willing to revise this view in time, I just think your read on DP has had some really scummy vibes from the start.
I find it extremely ironic that RAD is accusing someone else of reading into to things too much.
If they're town I understand the frustration but it feels like an odd criticism - D1 of this game naturally involves reading too much into things to come up with reads because ultimately it's only really scum who are informed, and even then they don't tend to have much info beyond basic alignment.
I almost get the impression Rad's scum, has been doing a good job at it, and is slightly annoyed/confused that there's finally a bit of pressure on them considering the early TR's and lack of pressure.
I just have to wonder if he’s trying to find reasons to sr because once I dropped him down to a null, he suddenly backs of me.
Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.
VOTE: JohnnyFarrar
Oh my fucking god.
You said Taly/Dunn were viable wagons. I'd unvoted Roden and hadn't switched over to Johnny yet. Johnny is no less viable than Taly/Dunn but more importantly I think it's personally a much better wagon for us to back. If this doesn't work I will switch to Mala, deal?
Deal.
I just cut it off at three people
You makes three technically.
Add Johnny to the list
I am just beyond frustrated right now
Cool. I think Ceph had expressed an interest in Johnny. Would you vote there too? That's potentially five if so.
town!Rad is pointing out that town!Malcolm is overthinking things, because that's literally the case if Malcolm is town.
Could scum!Rad be trying to AtE town!Malcolm? Sure.
Could town!Rad be missing scum!Malcolm pushing more shade? Sure.
I think it's town!Malcolm here and I'm trying to reason with him. Fucking vote me if you think I'm scum already.
Again this feels like a post where you're just frustrated at being suspected because until now you'd been widely TR'd. DP is correctly pointing out that criticising a player for overthinking things is an odd approach to take when playing mafia.
I've not voted for you because I'm personally more confident on Johnny coming back as scum and because Johnny is a more viable wagon - I doubt people would be willing to vote you out and no point in starting a complete vanity wagon at this point in the day.
Dude I'm not criticizing you. I'm pointing out what town!Malcolm is doing right now. Assume I'm town!Rad for a moment instead of some sneaky scum!Rad. Is that not what town!Rad's doing?
town!Rad is pointing out that town!Malcolm is overthinking things, because that's literally the case if Malcolm is town.
Could scum!Rad be trying to AtE town!Malcolm? Sure.
Could town!Rad be missing scum!Malcolm pushing more shade? Sure.
I think it's town!Malcolm here and I'm trying to reason with him. Fucking vote me if you think I'm scum already.
Again this feels like a post where you're just frustrated at being suspected because until now you'd been widely TR'd. DP is correctly pointing out that criticising a player for overthinking things is an odd approach to take when playing mafia.
I've not voted for you because I'm personally more confident on Johnny coming back as scum and because Johnny is a more viable wagon - I doubt people would be willing to vote you out and no point in starting a complete vanity wagon at this point in the day.
Dude I'm not criticizing you. I'm pointing out what town!Malcolm is doing right now.
Assume I'm town!Rad for a moment instead of some sneaky scum!Rad. Is that not what town!Rad's doing?
I guess so, obviously my contention there would be it's the exact approach I'd expect from scum Rad too. Your frustration does read as slightly genuine to me but again I'm aware scum can sometimes genuinely get frustrated too when they've dodged suspicion and then come to the fore a little bit. But not too many people have been pressing for you to go out so I suppose said pressure is mostly still minimal.
Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.
VOTE: JohnnyFarrar
Oh my fucking god.
You said Taly/Dunn were viable wagons. I'd unvoted Roden and hadn't switched over to Johnny yet. Johnny is no less viable than Taly/Dunn but more importantly I think it's personally a much better wagon for us to back. If this doesn't work I will switch to Mala, deal?
Deal.
I just cut it off at three people
You makes three technically.
Add Johnny to the list
I am just beyond frustrated right now
Cool. I think Ceph had expressed an interest in Johnny. Would you vote there too? That's potentially five if so.
I will vote whoever I don’t explicitly TR who is higher than anyone else.