Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:02 pm
yeet was one, and yes, he is dead. im sure it was bc of vp and has nothing to do with his role. dragons was at the time. galron was. april was louder than she is today and convinced people off him.
yeet was one, and yes, he is dead. im sure it was bc of vp and has nothing to do with his role. dragons was at the time. galron was. april was louder than she is today and convinced people off him.
acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
Can you do a reasonless or wall readslist? I think the ship has sailed on saving you.In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
I want you to answer 5425In post 5428, Titus wrote:Can you do a reasonless or wall readslist? I think the ship has sailed on saving you.In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
You do have more reasons, but few of them are meaningful beyond strange paranoia and gut. You're lending legitimacy to Nero's marketing campaign, so it definitely is sheeping.In post 5426, fireisredsir wrote:acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
but i will reassess things ofc
Uhm definitionally doesn’t solving one solve the other in a 1v1?In post 5431, VP Baltar wrote:You do have more reasons, but few of them are meaningful beyond strange paranoia and gut. You're lending legitimacy to Nero's marketing campaign, so it definitely is sheeping.In post 5426, fireisredsir wrote:acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
but i will reassess things ofc
And I'm gonna need more from you than reassessment. This game needs strong town leaders and Titus is going to be about it after I'm dead. You have potential, but you need to think more critically. There is no way you should be limming me over Nero today if you want to solve thus 1v1. So if that is going to be the level of play, I need you to step it up.
I'll give you an hour so you have time to think about it. That's when my pizza gets here so that will be my reminder to check.In post 5430, Titus wrote:Driving give me 30 mins
I'm a much higher value asset to town. If you're going to take a chance by repeating this bad wagon AGAIN today, which is very much what you're doing, you risk less by limming Nero first. When you're wrong and I flip green, you've burned someone who actually has the ability to see through the nonsense happening, and would have essentially been confirmed town with a Nero scum flip. I'm very confident my theory about D2 is close, if not correct.In post 5432, MathBlade wrote:Uhm definitionally doesn’t solving one solve the other in a 1v1?In post 5431, VP Baltar wrote:You do have more reasons, but few of them are meaningful beyond strange paranoia and gut. You're lending legitimacy to Nero's marketing campaign, so it definitely is sheeping.In post 5426, fireisredsir wrote:acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
but i will reassess things ofc
And I'm gonna need more from you than reassessment. This game needs strong town leaders and Titus is going to be about it after I'm dead. You have potential, but you need to think more critically. There is no way you should be limming me over Nero today if you want to solve thus 1v1. So if that is going to be the level of play, I need you to step it up.
In post 5399, VP Baltar wrote:This makes no sense. You are stating:In post 5383, Frogsterking wrote:VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)
No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.
1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.
2) galron was town.
These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?
im pretty confident it's not. so if that's what you have to offer then i don't think you're that high value of an asset to town. i wasn't really planning to vote you today at first but i think that case was pretty off and i expect better from you if you're townIn post 5434, VP Baltar wrote:I'm a much higher value asset to town. If you're going to take a chance by repeating this bad wagon AGAIN today, which is very much what you're doing, you risk less by limming Nero first. When you're wrong and I flip green, you've burned someone who actually has the ability to see through the nonsense happening, and would have essentially been confirmed town with a Nero scum flip. I'm very confident my theory about D2 is close, if not correct.
What about the case of an authentic wagon and April running counter for scum? You just said that doesn’t happen but it’s been my theory.In post 5437, Titus wrote:Based solely on those two vcs, my play reads suggest Scorpious and Frogstar planting seeds the town ran with.
Scum didn't even bother with even faking a counterwagon until April shouted the wagon down. The lack of a counterwagon usually means either boned scum, bussing scum or scum that don't give a damn. Let's discuss each in turn.
VP being boned scum at that point doesn't match with what happened unless April is agency captured town. Scum don't stick their neck on the line for a partner like that. If VP was boned scum, expect at least 1 scum on the wagon and multiple if possible. The votes should be in soon after VP was exposed. I don't believe this theory, so I can't find that moment but I include it for the sake of completion.
VP being bussed is unlikely because of the gamestate. Bussing scum generally do so early.
VP town can create apathy and a lack of desire to create counterwagons. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
Anything else needs a specific question.
Too risky. The strength of VP's wagon puts it in more boned scum scenario if VP is scum. Remember, we have a vigilante who could possibly shoot VP. Enchant played it close to the vest. If Enchant had shot VP, April would look incredibly bad and have zero credibility to take their way out of it. The same applies if April fails.In post 5438, MathBlade wrote:What about the case of an authentic wagon and April running counter for scum? You just said that doesn’t happen but it’s been my theory.
Dude if you’re town you really need to check yourself imo. Reading some of your posts in recent pages, you’re just putting people down and not empowering or building up town members which is what good townplay is.In post 5434, VP Baltar wrote:I'm a much higher value asset to town. If you're going to take a chance by repeating this bad wagon AGAIN today, which is very much what you're doing, you risk less by limming Nero first. When you're wrong and I flip green, you've burned someone who actually has the ability to see through the nonsense happening, and would have essentially been confirmed town with a Nero scum flip. I'm very confident my theory about D2 is close, if not correct.In post 5432, MathBlade wrote:Uhm definitionally doesn’t solving one solve the other in a 1v1?In post 5431, VP Baltar wrote:You do have more reasons, but few of them are meaningful beyond strange paranoia and gut. You're lending legitimacy to Nero's marketing campaign, so it definitely is sheeping.In post 5426, fireisredsir wrote:acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
but i will reassess things ofc
And I'm gonna need more from you than reassessment. This game needs strong town leaders and Titus is going to be about it after I'm dead. You have potential, but you need to think more critically. There is no way you should be limming me over Nero today if you want to solve thus 1v1. So if that is going to be the level of play, I need you to step it up.
@titus, I don't think much has changed about this reads list. Bottom pile is the null to scummy folks, and I'd guess there is max 1 scum in there. I probably wouldn't lim in that pile until later if I didn't have to. Either some of those folks will rise to the occassion and start separating themselves as more townie, night actions will help (possibly unlikely unless we have another weak investigative), or y'all kill the scum RB and Enchant really is a vig who can clear out some detritus.In post 5106, VP Baltar wrote:VP's PoE to victory:
Town to probably town:
VP Baltar
MathBlade
Galron
fireisredsir
Titus
April Ludgate
Cape90
Scum are almost all here:
Frogsterking
Save The Dragons
Nero Cain
Eyes without a face
Get out of my dreams and into my car (aka, work a little bit to prove you are town if you're in this pool):
DeasVail
Enchant
tenebrousluminary
Scorpious
In post 5439, MathBlade wrote:To use your phrase “Could April be ‘agency captured’ or scum?”
It seems like they’re both scum and April is less important than VP so April tried to die
There’s no response hereIn post 5443, Titus wrote:In post 5439, MathBlade wrote:To use your phrase “Could April be ‘agency captured’ or scum?”
It seems like they’re both scum and April is less important than VP so April tried to die
it can also come from maf who think they were caught for the wrong reasonsIn post 5444, Titus wrote:@DV, Heated frustration = passion = lean town
It got ate. April being agency captured or scum is a place I would reset if VP is scum.In post 5445, MathBlade wrote:There’s no response hereIn post 5443, Titus wrote:In post 5439, MathBlade wrote:To use your phrase “Could April be ‘agency captured’ or scum?”
It seems like they’re both scum and April is less important than VP so April tried to die
Hence the word leanIn post 5446, fireisredsir wrote:it can also come from maf who think they were caught for the wrong reasonsIn post 5444, Titus wrote:@DV, Heated frustration = passion = lean town
I've spent, what, 100+ pages of this game now trying to work with people, only to be met with scum reads based on absolutely nothing substantial? Several of the people who I wanted to play with this game replaced out unfortunately. Math is very hard for me to deal with because of the way he tunnels. Nero is actively trying to do things to annoy me. The people on my wagon are all just answering for each other and reinforcing each others' biases. I spent literally hours over the night phase trying to figure out what was actually going on, only for people to say 'meh, you just scum.' If you think I have no right to be annoyed with that, cool. Trust me when I say I'm biting my tongue a lot if you think this is me being harsh with people.In post 5441, DeasVail wrote:Dude if you’re town you really need to check yourself imo. Reading some of your posts in recent pages, you’re just putting people down and not empowering or building up town members which is what good townplay is.