In post 5448, Datisi wrote:if it makes you feel better lilith, if i came to final 3, i was never voting s_s, so
So had either me or duckling been executed, you 100% would have executed the surviving one of us or just me?
i thought this was gonna go to s_s/raven/datisi and i knew i was voting you there
but if either one of you was executed today, pooky probably wouldn't have died, and... :/
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:34 am
by lilith2013
Oh maybe I’m just thinking of pooky shouting that SS is scum for pages
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:39 am
by Datisi
i mean, after the hammer fell i thought it was s_s/raven simply because i thought tw was town because my first thought was scum after final hammer is to scream about the game finally being fucking over and i kinda forget that (1) that's not a good thing to do on the offchance the game isn't over and (2) that other people are smarter in that regard than i am
but in-game, i was voting literally anyone (other than myself or skitter) over s_s so
In post 5448, Datisi wrote:if it makes you feel better lilith, if i came to final 3, i was never voting s_s, so
So had either me or duckling been executed, you 100% would have executed the surviving one of us or just me?
i thought this was gonna go to s_s/raven/datisi and i knew i was voting you there
but if either one of you was executed today, pooky probably wouldn't have died, and... :/
But you guys thought he was my buddy?
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:10 am
by DkKoba
In post 1334, DkKoba wrote:That's not what i was saying at all, but nice to know that's how you interpreted it
Now let me explain: everyone at this table has made towntells or is difficult to fake case without getting yeeted.
Obviously players like bugspray/aldus/dsj are the lhf you can go for. You need 3 ML to win so.
Now you went for pooky early on with a case i generally found fake. I havent read your games so i cant tell if this is how u normally act but seeing how u talk when moderating games and brief interactions outside of that i dont believe that you would continue such a push like that.
And LAMIST much? Ppl can out towntells that doesn't mean they are town at all.
Ive been mulling this over for a while and your recent posts finally let me put my finger on it.
VOTE: datisi
I want to add more but i ran out of tike on my break and have to go
In post 1336, Datisi wrote:maybe explain yourself better? because so far all you've done is yell how this or that person is scum but you've so far made no case on anyone. my point was that i don't have a reason to be nervous about pushing someone when i'm this far up the food chain. i have no idea what you mean by lamist there, i wasn't saying "towntells make me town", i was saying "towntells are making me townread".
with regard to my pooky case... what? what about me when i'm in mod-mode or outside of games makes you think i wouldn't push on someone like this? also i'm p sure we spoke once outside games so i really don't see why you think you know me?
pooky is locktown this game and im actually right this time
my i had 3 good townreads im dead asf
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:40 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
gg guys this was lots of fun <3
Sorry SS!
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:42 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Dats *hug*
I was right about bugspray in the beginning! hehe
all love <3
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:43 am
by Raven Branwen
Spoiler:
I’m sorry if I did anything to upset anyone. And I’m probably being super insensitive but this is ALL I’m feeling.
Yeah I know I was scum aka one of the bad giys but it just really really fucking sucks that I can’t just enjoy this.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:46 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Skitter =] I hope we can play again in the future
thanks for putting up with me for so long
we never got here but someday
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:50 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
@Raven you played great =]
I was completely fooled by you at the end head over heels and don't feel bad at losing at all.
I know now that the site meta is against "faking emotions" and like all logic or whatever the heck it is but the meta when I played originally decades ago and still do elsewhere is that faking emotions and trying to get people to see things from your emotional POV is pretty much the entire game. Your faked emotional range was amazing <3 imo you have nothing to feel bad about at all - I think your performance this game was tremendous.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:09 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 5345, the worst wrote:Pooky - sorry that you don't feel I deserve the win. I'm not in a phase where putting hours into scumcasing you feels like a good time / good use of my time, and I had indeed realised that Raven had already set herself up in a way which would endgame us even if you did turn the tide against me. I have a lot of respect for the amount of effort you put into just trying your hardest.
I guess I just feel it isn't very fair when you use your history/familiarity with the conf!town to win in lylo.
In post 5262, the worst wrote:this entire tangent is literally obfuscating the fact it's ultimately ~very unlikely~ that scum!me approaches the game this way
is anything impossible? no
does that mean i can be assed intentionally breaking my own meta to go full tryhard mode shortly after returning from hiatus when scum!me would not have trusted himself to live past the d2 situation which he INTENTIONALLY PUT HIMSELF INTO anyway?? good god no
in this situation, i am just not the type of duck who puts the poison in his own gauntlet. my case is not wifom. your manipulative portrayal of my case is wifom. i am a
freshly opened bottle of shiraz wearing a duck costume. just because i look like wine, does not mean there is a 50% chance i am posioned.
this is not a hard concept to grasp. you are not in a situation where you can allow this to be acknowledged as the truth.
Like I feel like I was already playing this game with a giant anchor around my neck because Datisi/Skitter were going like Pooky is bad cuz Coalition. So it just felt extra unfair in the final lylo when you/skitter were like, "duck has played with me for 2 years and he would NEVER play this way" - like what am I supposed to do against that?
I was completely fooled by you at the end head over heels and don't feel bad at losing at all.
I know now that the site meta is against "faking emotions" and like all logic or whatever the heck it is but the meta when I played originally decades ago and still do elsewhere is that faking emotions and trying to get people to see things from your emotional POV is pretty much the entire game. Your faked emotional range was amazing <3 imo you have nothing to feel bad about at all - I think your performance this game was tremendous.
No, no, no. you don’t understand. I never fake my emotions, I’m not sure I even know how. This is why I’m having another meltdown because all of it was 100% real and I’m not really sure if anyone other than duckling and SS understands this but thanks for giving me a clue as to why I suddenly feel I’m being massively hated, because I’ve been literally wracking my brain to understand why. TW had no idea either.
Just to be clear, none of it was fake.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:27 am
by Raven Branwen
The way I play scum is to trick myself into thinking I’m town but part of the informed minority at the same time but with a scum wincon. I literally don’t view myself as scum, so I 100% genuinely react to everything as if I got that green role PM..
Iow, the only way I’m able to play scum is to psyche myself out. I would never be able to successfully pull it off, it I wasn’t able to partially brainwash myself. So that’s my secret, I literally convince myself I rolled town.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:32 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
ok well I don't know why people think it's bad to fake emotions and like I thought the whole point of mafia is to fake emotions and try to figure out which ones are fake and which ones are real.
I'll take your word for it that your emotions are real ofc
I was completely fooled by you at the end head over heels and don't feel bad at losing at all.
I know now that the site meta is against "faking emotions" and like all logic or whatever the heck it is but the meta when I played originally decades ago and still do elsewhere is that faking emotions and trying to get people to see things from your emotional POV is pretty much the entire game. Your faked emotional range was amazing <3 imo you have nothing to feel bad about at all - I think your performance this game was tremendous.
No, no, no. you don’t understand. I never fake my emotions, I’m not sure I even know how. This is why I’m having another meltdown because all of it was 100% real and I’m not really sure if anyone other than duckling and SS understands this but thanks for giving me a clue as to why I suddenly feel I’m being massively hated, because I’ve been literally wracking my brain to understand why. TW had no idea either.
Just to be clear, none of it was fake.
@Pooky But thank you so much for saying that. I know I didn’t do anything wrong and if I can people to understand this, they would 100% agree but I’m not sure it’s possible. :/
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:34 am
by DkKoba
emotional posts are a gimmick to obfuscate alignment tells ;P i'll die on that hill
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:39 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5465, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok well I don't know why people think it's bad to fake emotions and like I thought the whole point of mafia is to fake emotions and try to figure out which ones are fake and which ones are real.
I'll take your word for it that your emotions are real ofc
I think they thought I was being unethical and manipulative at an unacceptable level but that is 100% false. It’s almost like I get into character and everything just flows from that. The emotional stuff just naturally flows out of that, it’s never ever calculated in any way. I decide I’m informed town with an alternative wincon. So none of it is manipulative, strategic or faked. Once I get into this mindset I feel everything and react accordingly.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:45 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
ok well I wouldn't think it's unethical in any way to fake emotion in mafia because I think the game of mafia is supposed to be about faking emotions and trying to read someone's true identity behind the mask they wear on the surface.
I've always felt that mafia is more of an emotional/psychological game than a logical game.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:47 am
by RadiantCowbells
Raven, you're deluding yourself if you think the things that you're saying are true as opposed to just posturing. You can position yourself however you want, it's no skin off my back, but you are not literally indistinguishable from your town game. No one is.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:48 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5467, DkKoba wrote:emotional posts are a gimmick to obfuscate alignment tells ;P i'll die on that hill
But what I’m trying to tell you it wasn’t a “gimmick”. It was all 100% real. I never faked any of it, which is why it’s so believable. If I ever tried to fake AtE, I think it would look as transparent af. I did it twice in one game I was in and hated doing it so much, I would 100% prefer to lose than ever force myself to fake anything. So it’s true what I’m saying, I never ever fake my emotions. I literally do a number on myself so the only person I actually manipulate is myself. When I’m scum I convince myself I’m actually town, I don’t think of myself as playing scum. Iow, I almost believe it at a very deep level to be true.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:52 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5470, RadiantCowbells wrote:Raven, you're deluding yourself if you think the things that you're saying are true as opposed to just posturing. You can position yourself however you want, it's no skin off my back, but you are not literally indistinguishable from your town game. No one is.
I’m not deluding myself. I am 100% NOT posturing. I’m sorry you don’t get it but you clearly don’t. It’s probably comparible to method acting where an actor convinces themselves they are literally the character they’re portraying.
Yes of course at some level I have to be aware of this but method acting is the closest thing to explain what I’m doing.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:54 am
by Raven Branwen
In post 5469, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok well I wouldn't think it's unethical in any way to fake emotion in mafia because I think the game of mafia is supposed to be about faking emotions and trying to read someone's true identity behind the mask they wear on the surface.
I've always felt that mafia is more of an emotional/psychological game than a logical game.
2299 is not a post any player who believes themselves to be villager makes. You really aren't the god of method acting that you want to believe yourself to be. I'll stop arguing with you because this really isn't a productive way to spend my time, but as a player who is genuinely capable of playing indistinguishably from my town game I find that it is far higher equity to play my scum game as a scum game rather than a town game where I have a scum win condition.
