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In post 2090, Golden Robster wrote:why you only adding on reads now

feels like wifom before being lynched

In post 2092, Golden Robster wrote:if I ask you to hardclaim will you hardclaim

either say yes or no

okay this feels kinda bad
PEdit: ausuka, performer, + wave were in a hood

Huh.

Interesting.

I might have to reassess then.

In post 5458, Skygazer wrote:Why would Hop be left alive for his case on Mylo and PP potentially killed for having a read that included Mylo?

i only mentioned it because it was a big case and it came right as the day was ending so it was fresh in everyone's mind

and as for PP he had a number of scumreads, not just Mylo. my point was never just about mylo (and, in fact, I'm not pushing to lynch mylo even now. he was just the first to come to mind for me)

In post 5459, Skygazer wrote:Wave, why are you having a surge of activity all of a sudden after catching some votes?

this is neither true, nor meaningful if it were true

When are we going to have a push to lynch Mylo?

In post 5449, wavemode wrote:

In post 5435, Ankamius wrote:JarJar/Wavemode/Tchill/Vax

this is hilarious because I would townblock with this group of people

Why would you townblock with Tchill?

In post 5457, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 3060, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way.

In post 3062, TehBrawlGuy wrote:oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

In post 3210, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Why is everyone so bloodthirsty? Wheme dies in a few hours.

I've seen enough annoying stubborn town PRs that I'd rather wait a few hours for information than not.

I'm 90% this is scum

stalling for lulz, but that still leaves a chance it's not.

Learn some patience.

What made wheme go from a "tolerable" lynch to 90% scum?

it's in that post - his repeated attempts at stalling the claim despite obviously being our preferred lynch target

In post 3162, WhemeStar wrote:

In post 3160, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 3105, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 3103, Golden Robster wrote:whemestar at L-2

hardclaim now

I’ll claim when there’s intent to hammer

this kind of post comes from Scum far more often than it does from Town. It just comes from Town >0% of the time, so good policy says don't lynch without intent

In post 5483, Krazy wrote:

In post 5449, wavemode wrote:

In post 5435, Ankamius wrote:JarJar/Wavemode/Tchill/Vax

this is hilarious because I would townblock with this group of people

Why would you townblock with Tchill?

i rather comfortably townread the play of both Tchill and his predecessor EspeciallyTheLies

@Wave,

"No motivation" is very weak. You are right, my argument that TBG is town does hinge on him not wanting to favor towncred with an early bus. That is why I said TBG is and not .

But, looking back through when the possible busses happen, there are other important differences as well. The timing and context matters a lot in understanding when scum are likely to bus.

In post 3161, Dunnstral wrote:My vote is available before deadline if needed

In post 3293, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: whemestar

I wanted tbg. don't really have time for anything else. sorry if you're town wheme.

Remember timing: TBG's first vote on Wheme -- 3000s, Gamma's, 3300s.

Wheme was a when Gamma joined for L-1. This vote from the IC and the available vote from Dunn were both made AFTER TBG's initial vote on wheme. TBG voted one hundred posts before Dunn indicated he was willing to vote Wheme as well.

Wheme was NOT a sunk ship when TBG joined the wagon. There were three hundred posts, a vote from the IC and a vote indicated as available between when TBG joined the wagon and when Gamma joined the wagon. TBG helped sink the ship. Gamma joined after it was sunk.

The cases are not the same, and Gamma is way more likely to have bussed a sunk ship than TBG is to have come in and torpedoed his ally before the IC joined the wagon (IC vote was important, since it indicated the trifecta of conf-town of FL/Hop/Au, which if on scum is when scum are likely to decide the slot is lost).

Your question of why Gamma didn't immediately bussed but made a few quick questions first is worth thinking about as well. WHEN was Gamma interrogating the Wheme wagon? Most of his skepticism of it comes *before* Ausuka's vote. Ausuka's vote was the sign to bus on day 2.

In post 5484, TehBrawlGuy wrote:

In post 5457, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 3060, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way.

In post 3062, TehBrawlGuy wrote:oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

In post 3210, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Why is everyone so bloodthirsty? Wheme dies in a few hours.

I've seen enough annoying stubborn town PRs that I'd rather wait a few hours for information than not.

I'm 90% this is scum

stalling for lulz, but that still leaves a chance it's not.

Learn some patience.

What made wheme go from a "tolerable" lynch to 90% scum?

it's in that post - his repeated attempts at stalling the claim despite obviously being our preferred lynch target

OK just so I have this right:


- JJD voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is a bus

- TBG voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is legit town play?

Like the only difference between our play is that while I was calling Wheme scum, I was also actively fighting against people trying to derail the wagon.

I didn't see you ONCE try to tell the people that were trying to lynch elsewhere that they should keep their vote on the guy who was 90% scum.

Well aside from the other obvious difference of me being on the wagon early and you kust attaching ur name to it when all the momentum had already built up.

In post 5481, texcat wrote:When are we going to have a push to lynch Mylo?

after we lynch TBG.

In post 5487, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 5484, TehBrawlGuy wrote:

In post 5457, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 3060, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way.

In post 3062, TehBrawlGuy wrote:oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

In post 3210, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Why is everyone so bloodthirsty? Wheme dies in a few hours.

I've seen enough annoying stubborn town PRs that I'd rather wait a few hours for information than not.

I'm 90% this is scum

stalling for lulz, but that still leaves a chance it's not.

Learn some patience.

What made wheme go from a "tolerable" lynch to 90% scum?

it's in that post - his repeated attempts at stalling the claim despite obviously being our preferred lynch target

OK just so I have this right:


- JJD voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is a bus

- TBG voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is legit town play?

I don't know if you're being intentionally obtuse, or what, but pushing Wheme after he massively scumtold is something anyone paying attention of either alignment should've done, because he was obviously Scum. Hell, your argument is the same thing with our names switched.

- TBG voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is a bus

- JJD voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is legit town play

The big difference is that I'm not touting Wheme lynch as a thing you should give me townpoints for, but you've been happy to. Also, looking at Wheme's behavior, him stalling both gave him more time to spotlight me for my policy decisions and you more time to showboat pushing him.

In post 5483, Krazy wrote:

In post 5449, wavemode wrote:

In post 5435, Ankamius wrote:JarJar/Wavemode/Tchill/Vax

this is hilarious because I would townblock with this group of people

Why would you townblock with Tchill?

whats your deal? You didn't have any problems with me until i mentioned TBG's interactions with wheme, a minor part of my major SR of him. Now im confscum?

what the hell man?

In post 5486, Krazy wrote:@Wave,

"No motivation" is very weak. You are right, my argument that TBG is town does hinge on him not wanting to favor towncred with an early bus. That is why I said TBG is

probably town

and not

locktown

.

But, looking back through when the possible busses happen, there are other important differences as well. The timing and context matters a lot in understanding when scum are likely to bus.

In post 3161, Dunnstral wrote:My vote is available before deadline if needed

In post 3293, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: whemestar

I wanted tbg. don't really have time for anything else. sorry if you're town wheme.

Remember timing: TBG's first vote on Wheme -- 3000s, Gamma's, 3300s.

Wheme was a

sunk ship

when Gamma joined for L-1. This vote from the IC and the available vote from Dunn were both made AFTER TBG's initial vote on wheme. TBG voted one hundred posts before Dunn indicated he was willing to vote Wheme as well.

Wheme was NOT a sunk ship when TBG joined the wagon. There were three hundred posts, a vote from the IC and a vote indicated as available between when TBG joined the wagon and when Gamma joined the wagon. TBG helped sink the ship. Gamma joined after it was sunk.

The cases are not the same, and Gamma is way more likely to have bussed a sunk ship than TBG is to have come in and torpedoed his ally before the IC joined the wagon (IC vote was important, since it indicated the trifecta of conf-town of FL/Hop/Au, which if on scum is when scum are likely to decide the slot is lost).

Your question of why Gamma didn't immediately bussed but made a few quick questions first is worth thinking about as well. WHEN was Gamma interrogating the Wheme wagon? Most of his skepticism of it comes *before* Ausuka's vote. Ausuka's vote was the sign to bus on day 2.

this is misleading. Reread the lynch. at the end its mostly fluff and filler until he's actually lynched.

In post 5488, JarJarDrinks wrote:Like the only difference between our play is that while I was calling Wheme scum, I was also actively fighting against people trying to derail the wagon.

I didn't see you ONCE try to tell the people that were trying to lynch elsewhere that they should keep their vote on the guy who was 90% scum.

Really?

I said I thought he was Scum, said I wanted to seem him lynched multiple times, and asked Dunn to bring him to L-1 and someone else to hammer.

In post 5491, TehBrawlGuy wrote:The big difference is that I'm not touting Wheme lynch as a thing you should give me townpoints for, but you've been happy to.

THAT'S the big difference? You came out voting for me as your first post after the wheme lynch before I posted anything.

Try again.

In post 3233, TehBrawlGuy wrote:VOTE: wheme

In post 3237, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Not that I buy whemes claim, though, but let's not assume a real doctor or other strong roles is op.

In post 3239, TehBrawlGuy wrote:except i didn't hammer, he's only at l-1

someone else needs to hammer

In post 3240, WhemeStar wrote:

In post 3238, JarJarDrinks wrote:reaction to the hammer is surely scum. No reads list. No "Lynch X tomorrow". Just acceptance.

My gues for remaining scum: Android, Dunn, and then maybe SS or Lalend

I don’t do that

In post 3241, TehBrawlGuy wrote:then you're just straight playing badly

you should /always/ give closing thoughts as town

Wheme is dead to rights here, L-2 before TBG even votes btw, but somehow he lingers for 300 posts AND HE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE THE LYNCH THOSE 300 POSTS.

major major issue with what krazy is trying to say.

In post 5489, JarJarDrinks wrote:Well aside from the other obvious difference of me being on the wagon early and you kust attaching ur name to it when all the momentum had already built up.

Alright, this one is just straight fabrication.

We voted it apart, with only between us. I literally voted him within hours of you doing the same.

In post 5495, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 5491, TehBrawlGuy wrote:The big difference is that I'm not touting Wheme lynch as a thing you should give me townpoints for, but you've been happy to.

THAT'S the big difference? You came out voting for me as your first post after the wheme lynch before I posted anything.

Try again.

Yes, let me grab the post:

In post 3466, TehBrawlGuy wrote:VOTE: JJD

I had my suspicions anyway, but Wheme ISO really nails it down for me. Wheme only ever votes for 4 people past the early voting chaos. Vax, PP, Flavor Leaf, and JJD.
FL is dead and Town, PP is very likely Town after yesterday. If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Vax he HARD townreads all of D1, until suddenly flipping on him, saying this:

In post 2245, WhemeStar wrote:Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

The vote count at the time was this:

In post 2239, Ircher wrote:

Day 2 VC #10

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), JarJarDrinks (2192), Hopkirk (2197)
Texcat (2) - Wavemode (2044), ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (2171), Lalendra (2184)
PenguinPower (2) - Ausuka (1960), EspeciallyTheLies (1996)
Myloninja13 (2) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - Kublai Khan (1944)
Not Voting (6) - Vaxkiller, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj, Myloninja13, WhemeStar

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Voting JJD here establishes JJD as the lead wagon, with 4 votes, while voting Vax ties him with JJD and the rest at 3. This looks very much like Wheme!Scum not wanting to put a scumbuddy in peril - if he was setting up a mislynch on JJD, he could just vote JJD and nobody would really question it, since he'd been on JJD D1. It also doesn't make sense for him to flip on Vax if he's a scumbuddy, since he's been hard TRing Vax thus far.

In addition, he makes sure to mention several times just how much he thinks JJD is scum. (besides his votes on him)

In post 2120, WhemeStar wrote:
Jar jar is a good vote for now

In post 2245, WhemeStar wrote:Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

In post 3268, WhemeStar wrote:JarJar is prob scum

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

Do you note how this post has nothing to do with your actions towards him D2, and everything to do with his actions towards you?

In post 3248, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

In post 3249, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Dunn, if you scumread me, why didn't you list it when Wheme asked who on your wagon you had a SR on? Or am I just a not-Wheme lynch?

In post 3255, Scioness Sajj wrote:VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

In post 3290, Vaxkiller wrote:VOTE: penguin power

In post 3318, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 3275, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 3267, WhemeStar wrote:and a game I self hammered as doctor because I was frustrated that people didn’t believe my claim because I didn’t claim flavor?

Get your bs out of here

So when your frustrated as town you care about what happens after you get lynched? When your not frustrated all you care about is surviving?

mhm thinking about it it's actually very similar to his first newbie and yet he's playing different
nah fuck dis s*** I think wheme is actually scum
VOTE: Whemestar

In post 3453, Creature wrote:VOTE: WhemeStar

TBG asks dunn why he votes TBG but dissapears completely after that comment.