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Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:49 pm**

Because Nacho seems to think it's important, I'll check out tvella's ISO (summaries in normal font and my thoughts in italics):

ISO 0-1: Votes DH then claims not to have read the other pages, but keeps his vote on DH. Asks what next play is.

Okay so far, but his question at the end leaves it hanging that he might unvote given the proper reasoning on the next play by DH.

ISO 2: Unvotes DH for saying his plan is to lynch boberz for his response to the "trap". Says he is unsure that boberz's actions are lynchworthy and the previously discussed, "Let's see where this goes."

Obviously the last sentence is scummy for the wait-and-see attitude. Usually there is some speculation as to whether this is actually going on or if the person is just unsure on their read, but here he says that's what he's doing himself. I don't really understand how boberz's actions aren't lynchworthy (or even voteworthy) but DH's suggestion was. If you are willing to accept that DH's suggestion was a trap to catch someone like boberz, then your vote logically should go from DH to boberz. This implies to me that tvella doesn't want to be stuck on the DH wagon anymore, now that he no longer seems like a fool, but also doesn't want to jump onto boberz for something others might not find scummy. This whole last part is just major speculation by me though.

ISO 3-4: Promises content in response to Hiraki (who gave him a "needs to die"). Says he wasn't following by unvoting DH but would be following by boberz. Gives Sens a town read for his scumhunting and Darla a scummish read for gut reads on a possible deflection to sotty and being overly defensive. Votes Darla.

Obviously I can't argue with his conclusion, but now that I see this again, I find it a bit odd that those are the tells he chooses to go with for the vote (as opposed to the earlier things that I mentioned or I assume boberz mentioned in his vote). I don't really buy that he decided DH had town reasoning but incorrect reasoning (i.e. the whole trap was useless, but not scummy).

ISO 5: Questions Darla's 'contradicting play' reasoning for her vote when she could be accused of the same.

This was in response to Darla's fabulous post where she admitted to completely screwing up for the beginning of the game and tried to find some reason to vote someone (in the end not providing much reasoning). I see nothing wrong with this post.

ISO 6-7: Defends his vote from SA's suspicions and says SA thought the same thing earlier but didn't vote. Laughs at Nacho's vote on him.

His defense of his vote isn't bad. I can't blame him for laughing at Nacho's vote either since Nacho didn't seem to give any reasons the first time around.

ISO 8-10: Further defense of his Darla vote against Llama, DH, and Hiraki.

Somewhat redeeming here, I think. Obviously as scum he couldn't just abandon ship here without looking scummy, but these posts make me believe he actually does find Darla scummy (or at least he thinks there is enough of a case there for him to keep pushing). Either way, not so scummy.

ISO 11-12: Declaring V/LA for 24 hours (promising more activity after that), which he overstepped about 25 hours ago.

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Conclusion: I came into this ISO thinking I was going to be voting him at the end (especially for ISO 2), but his last few posts (before 11-12) kind of changed my mind. I'm leaning town on him now.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:29 am**

DH is nuetral to me in the first few pages with thet role/flavor claim idea.
FB doesn't really strike me as scum except how in the begginning he was only posting about his other heads. Maybe he could be scum trying to avert town away from the game.

Urggg I'm reading this stuff right now but I'm still at page 6 I'll ppst more when I reach Page 10

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:34 am**

Can someone give me the page that everyone suddenly wanted Hiraki dead. He doesn't seem scummy in the first 8 pages. So what happend

UNVOTE: Hiriki

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:37 am**

Who do you guys think is

scummy or seems mafia??

can you guys give me the page where they seemed scummy so Ican analyze it and chose a better vote.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:18 am**

The easiest way to read a single person is using the Display posts by user: option at the bottom (what we all refer to as ISO). You can read the main suspects that way.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:16 am**

Mariyta wrote:The easiest way to figure out who is Scum is to just read the whole damn thread.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:45 am**

I agree completely, but 23 pages is a lot when someone has little time. ISOs are helpful for summaries of specific people.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:14 am**

Mariyta wrote:I agree completely, but 23 pages is a lot when someone has little time. ISOs are helpful for summaries of specific people.

True. The only problem is that posts in ISOs often reference other posts, so when looking at an ISO you still have to read a couple of posts before it too. Still better than reading the whole thread time-wise, I suppose.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:50 am**

KageLord wrote:
Mariyta wrote:I agree completely, but 23 pages is a lot when someone has little time. ISOs are helpful for summaries of specific people.
True. The only problem is that posts in ISOs often reference other posts, so when looking at an ISO you still have to read a couple of posts before it too. Still better than reading the whole thread time-wise, I suppose.

That's true. But it's super easy to go find that post. You just click on the ISO # and it takes you to that post in the thread. Read the posts before and after, then hit the back button to go back to the ISO where you were. *This public service announcement has been brought to you by Channel 6 news. We now return you to your regularly scheduled game discussion.*

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:48 am**

Vote Count 15

Benmage(0)-
boberz(0)-
DarlaBlueEyes(6)- KageLord, boberz, tvellalott, Deer, jasonT1981, SensFan,
Deer(0)-
DemonHybrid(0)-
diddin(0)-
Fuzzy Beavers(0)-
hiraki(5)- Mariyta, Benmage, ribwich, DarlaBlueEyes, Wraith,
jasonT1981(2)- diddin, Nero Cain,
KageLord(5)-Fuzzy Beavers, The Fonz, sottyrulez, LlamaFluff, Tragedy,
LlamaFluff(0)-
Mariyta(1)-DemonHybrid,
Mist7676(1)-hiraki
Nachomamma8(0)-
Nero Cain(0)-
ribwich(0)-
SensFan(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(0)-
sottyrulez(0)-
Steven Hacking(0)-
The Fonz(0)-
Tragedy(1)-Sleepless Assassin,
tvellalott(2)- Nachomamma8, Steven Hacking,
Wraith(0)-

Not Voting(1)-Mist7676

With 24 alive, it's 13 to lynch. Deadline is January 28th at 1pm (EST)

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:24 pm**

V/LA for a day

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:18 pm**

Wraith wrote:
Nero Cain:
NC gets a solid "meh" from me. While his posts are rather fluffly and he hasn't really done much in the way of actual hunting, he less lurky than other games I've played with him. My meta on him is "if he's lurking = he's up to something" (Mariyta can testify)

I don't really remember being "lurky" in LOTR but I do need to catch up and post more.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:54 pm**

drunkiposting is approved. yes

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:54 pm**

fun good thing i can type shit or else muscle memory would not work

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:58 pm**

leaving-a-damn-random-post-here-for-today-soreh.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:59 pm**

I read the KageLord stuff earlier as goading a claim also. For him to imply that it came across differently is short sighted considering several people have now mentioned it.

Meanwhile, tragedy should spend the amount of time she spends on the game reading, then she woul dbe caught up.

Meanwhile, Kage Lord should format his posts better they are impossible to read.

Meanwhile. I have got back from hospital today, and am a bit drugged up for a while posting may not be as good or as frequent as before for a little while.

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:23 am**

Wow, there's so many people I didn't even know were in this game.

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:55 am**

Fuzzy Beavers will be replaced.

Deadline is January 28th at 1pm (EST)

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:01 am**

Can I replace him?? Nah jkjk I'm already here. Deadline is Monday right?? What is everyone thinking about what we dong.

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:03 am**

Deadline is Friday. If I have trouble finding a replacement I will extend it a few days.

I will also be V/LA from Monday-Thurs but backup mod will be around.

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:08 am**

@mod can you confirm the backup mod has all info required to do a night if we end early?

Yep, all prepared. If a lynch occurs while I am gone, night actions should still be sent to me.

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:19 am**

KageLord wrote:Btw, Darla, I'm not entirely sure how much you know about mafia protocol, but if you get close to being lynched and someone expresses intent to hammer, you should claim your role.

I didn't originally interpret this as trying to get her to claim early, but with how many people have said they did I thought I should probably look at this again. The thing that sticks out to me is that not only was DBE nowhere near L-1, she wasn't even the current vote leader. (Hiraki had one more vote than her at the time) So Kage, what was the point of this post if you weren't trying to confuse DBE into claiming her role?

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:31 am**

More Hiraki votes, please. Darla is not the play for today and I really don't see the case against Kage. Is it just for that "He suggested Darla claim, so she claimed" thing?

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:34 am**

VOTE: Hiraki

Posted: **Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:46 am**

Mist, please do a little bit of thinking on your own. I know this sounds odd since you happen to be voting for the person I think is the scummiest, but you shouldn't be voting for someone just because somebody said "More Hiraki votes, please." Yesterday you said he didn't seem scummy to you, and since you haven't said anything else about him, I'm assuming that's the only reason you're voting for him. Doing this type of stuff will make you a huge liability if you're town.

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