@Mod: Lucersia has not posted for five days. He needs a prod as well.
Spoiler: Responding to posts
@mb53: This catch-up post is very weak. The entire post added nothing to help town, only containing a brief defense of your action and very obvious sheeping of xtoxm and vote sheeping of Tragedy. If this is your way of apoligizing for you inactivity, then I'm not impressed.
@lewarcher82: I'm not sure how that's suppose to indicate scum, as I'm not seeing it. Me, RedCoyote, and Pinky and the Brain have also agreed that this voting bloc is a good idea while not voting Espeonage, yet you never called us out for it. What makes mb53's post different from ours? That said, it is a crappy return post.
@Tragedy: Regardless of whenever or not they can be easily lynched, you're forgetting that just because one scum is lynched, it doesn't mean that there aren't other out there. Sure we can kill lurkers, but we can also solve that by the player getting replaced by an active player in the game. With a scummy slot that lacks evidence supporting otherwise, the only way to get rid of them is either lynch or vig. Killing them off is they only way we can find scums, otherwise, we will never catch scum. Lynching actively scummy players gives us information on other players alignment regardless of flip, which benefits town. Your suggestion to lynch lurkers harms town, especially if the lurker flips town, because we gain little to nothing from it and if the lurker flips town, the next day will be like the previous day, only with at least one (Probably more) dead.
Regarding your second paragraph, your concern is only justified if the vote on you was scummy. Which it clearly wasn't, thil13 may have voted you and admitted to OMGUS, but he had good reasons for jumping in.
@thil13: Why be concern about being accused for a scum tell? Only players of anti-town alignment have justification to worry about being lynched the most, because they are more concern about survival then scum hunting.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:16 pm
by mb53
SSBF wrote:If this is your way of apoligizing for you inactivity, then I'm not impressed.
I have no need to apologize >_>
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:19 pm
by Lucresia
/prod received
sorry I had a very unexpected busy week with work and haven't had time to check the thread between work and sleep really. I will be reading up tonight and make a substantial post tomorrow night at the latest.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:40 pm
by Ythan
Dealing with some serious, serious, serious personal bullshit at the moment. Not expecting it to affect my activity but fyi.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:01 pm
by Xtoxm
Been busy..
Will check this out soon..
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:44 pm
by lewarcher82
SSBF wrote:
@lewarcher82: I'm not sure how that's suppose to indicate scum, as I'm not seeing it. Me, RedCoyote, and Pinky and the Brain have also agreed that this voting bloc is a good idea while not voting Espeonage, yet you never called us out for it. What makes mb53's post different from ours? That said, it is a crappy return post.
The difference is big: when you guys said you like the bloc idea, the bloc did not yet exist, and we were all voting different players. When mb53 said the bloc is awesome, we had all put our votes on Espeonage, so if he wants to say he approves the bloc he is at least supposed to take into account the player the bloc is voting for.
when asked to, mb53 explains his vote:
mb53 wrote:
Lew wrote:@mb53: so voting block is awesome, but you don't vote with the block?
A few reasons: 1. I'm not actually on the block >_>
2. I'm not convinced on espeo scum yet
3. Nothing wrong with spreading the pressure
@RC As I said, my suspects are pretty much the same as yesterday, and I thought that tragedy would be the best place for my vote at the moment
That post of thil also reads town to me.
1. it's not like the bloc has the monopoly of the espeo votes;
2. then post some content and possibly a case on someone else
3. yes, true. I will accept point 3.
@RC: huh, we were talking about the Quicktopic apparent slip, not about the general case. You said mb53 never mentioned it. I answered you that he did:
mb53 wrote:
I don't know what to think of the quicktopic topic, it may or may not be a coincidence.
It's alarming me how people are jumping on my beautiful Tragedy wagon in what seems to be a lazy counter-wagon to this Espeonage wagon. >>
So, yeah. I don't like Thil and mb's votes on Tragedy.
I'm horribly torn.
Thil: Explain how Tragedy's voting today is any more useless than yours yesterday.
mb53 wrote:3. Nothing wrong with spreading the pressure
@RC As I said, my suspects are pretty much the same as yesterday, and I thought that tragedy would be the best place for my vote at the moment
You still think I'm scum? Also, if you want to spread the pressure, why vote for Tragedy (who already has votes) rather than myself?
TRAGEDY: PLZ BE DOING SOMETHING WITH YOUR VOTE, THANKS.
While you're at it, acknowledging my case would be good.
@ GhostWriter: Thoughts on espeo & Tragedy plz.
~ Hoppster
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:14 pm
by thil13
@PatB: I'm sorry, I don't follow... I agree with your case of tragedy scum(and think that the evidence supports it, plus my being the target of her aggression) and you say my vote is useless? Is this because it is essentially an OMGUS vote?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:30 pm
by Tragedy
[Aggession? I thought it was called PRESSURING, THIL. SO YOU GO ACTIVE, DUH.]
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:33 pm
by mb53
Pinky and the Brain wrote:
mb53 wrote:3. Nothing wrong with spreading the pressure
@RC As I said, my suspects are pretty much the same as yesterday, and I thought that tragedy would be the best place for my vote at the moment
You still think I'm scum? Also, if you want to spread the pressure, why vote for Tragedy (who already has votes) rather than myself?
I still have a slight scum read on you. Much stronger one on tragedy.
lewarcher82 wrote:
when asked to, mb53 explains his vote:
mb53 wrote:
Lew wrote:@mb53: so voting block is awesome, but you don't vote with the block?
A few reasons: 1. I'm not actually on the block >_>
2. I'm not convinced on espeo scum yet
3. Nothing wrong with spreading the pressure
@RC As I said, my suspects are pretty much the same as yesterday, and I thought that tragedy would be the best place for my vote at the moment
That post of thil also reads town to me.
1. it's not like the bloc has the monopoly of the espeo votes;
2. then post some content and possibly a case on someone else
3. yes, true. I will accept point 3.
1. See 2
2. I will when I'm ready (a case I mean)
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:38 pm
by Tragedy
Mb53. Don't make me think that you find me suspicious in every game we play with each other.
This is a bit disappointing, as I will mostly turn out town most of the time anyways.
When will the CASE be ready?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:40 pm
by Ythan
Ythan wrote:Maybe the reason your responses don't make sense to me is that I was questioning why you
were
arguing against the Lulu wagon.
Hey Tragedy this is still here.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:42 pm
by Ythan
Ythan wrote:
The Master Hand wrote:Tragedy's style this time around is different from the scum games I've played with him, so I'm actually getting a town read.
Can you fill this out so it's a useful comment to someone other than you?
As is this.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:52 pm
by Ythan
Dekes wrote:I guess, it was the hammer. And one of the scummier ones in recent mafiascum history, too.
What happened to this?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:05 pm
by Dekes
Still applies. I'd support a Lucresia wagon 100%.
Everyday I come in here and expect giant contributions by Darla, Lucresia, xtomx and Ghostwriter. But we have to deal with what we got here.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:07 pm
by Dekes
EBWOP:
Add soras to that list.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:11 pm
by Ythan
Dekes wrote:Neat.
Vote: Espeonage
Barring any investigative result, my vote won't move today.
Your first post today and you haven't mentioned Lucresia once.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:13 pm
by Dekes
Dekes wrote:So, for the voting bloc to work I break my promise and leave my Espeo vote. What do you guys say? Tragedy wagon ho? Ythan wagon ho?
Lucresia wagon ho?
QED.
Espeo is scum, Lucresia is scummy -> vote: Espeo
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:14 pm
by Ythan
Missed that one, thanks.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:58 pm
by danakillsu
Tragedy wrote:Mb53. Don't make me think that you find me suspicious in every game we play with each other.
This is a bit disappointing, as I will mostly turn out town most of the time anyways.
When will the CASE be ready?
I really don't like this post. It's like Tragedy's trying to remind people that chances are that she's town, as if we didn't know that already. It reads like overconfident scum to me.
FoS: Tragedy
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:00 pm
by Espeonage
Sorry for the wait, I haven't been able to get much internet. I'll find those questions people had. Expect a couple of posts. If you have anything you want to ask, ask now.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:20 pm
by Espeonage
Moving backwards at stuff directly addressed or about me.
@ esurio: Not vote hopping. Voted you. Got told, changed vote to someone hiding.
@ crazy: Have you played with many vigs? Vigs are usually encouraged to kill the people that are being distracting to town and leave the scummy people to be lynched.
@ Tragedy: I do believe I pointed out in basics why LVB was town. If you look back you will find that my larger post was just me expanding.
@ Tragedy: I did point out I thought he was town. I can even point out the specific post that led me to the "newb town iioa" tell that I talked about.\
@ Lewarcher: ^ see directly above. I'll provide a couple of examples.
I'll go have a look back. I don't even remember anyone talking about a scumslip other than when he was being a douche after being replaced out.
Can't say more than that.
@ Dekes: No.
@ GW: I wouldn't have over the top expanded had it not been damanded of me to provide explaination of my stance on him.
nvm the multiple posts nothing warranted more than a sentance.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:33 pm
by Ythan
Post or replace out. And explain this, if a dozen people haven't asked you to already.
Xtoxm wrote:
Vote: THM
The way he went about attacking Lelouch looks scum motivated.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:12 pm
by Super Smash Bros. Fan
@Mod: V/LA starting Saturday and extending into most of tomorrow. Thought it would start tomorrow, but guess I was wrong. Also, sorasgoof and GhostWriter needs a prod if they haven't gotten one yet.
. The lack of activity from thil13 is not due to intentionally avoiding the thread, but simply not having time to post much. Just look at his recent posting ever since the game started and you'll see that he tries to post in his games when possible. You are twisting something that thil13 can't really control into a scum tell, and that is a scum tell in itself.
While you may have been active yourself, your active lurking from April 15, 2011 at 9:01 PM CST to April 18, 2011 at 2:24 PM CST, over 60 hours without posting is far scummier then thil13's lack of posting. There were no announcement of V/LA and no signs of you being inactive in your games, especially since you've clearly had at least 90 posts on this forum from the former post to the latter post, indicating that you clearly had time to post in your games. Furthermore, you have on average about 24 posts a day, which is no excuse for inactivity in a thread, compared to thil13's 1.10 posts a day status as of now. General inactivity is not scummy, active lurking is.
Spoiler: Espeonage
@Espeonage: I asked in here for your own explanation for why xtoxm is scummy to you. I'd like to see an answer to this.
@Espeonage: (Only including response to esuriospiritus) So this is what I'm reading here?
You: "esuriospiritus is scum, Vote: esuriospiritus" (Adds no explanation)
Town: "esuriospiritus is town, you didn't even bother to give a good reason for voting her."
You: "OK, after doing my VI theory on how they work and stuff, I'll vote a lurker for no reason and claim to have one of my own."
I'm not buying your excuse. Will need to re-read your ISO later today.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:58 pm
by jmj3000
sorasgoof requested replacement, but luckily, I had one lined up. Kadersalad replaces sora. GhostWriter has been prodded, vote count within an hour of me waking up.