Mini 1398 - Game Over!

[Alduskkel]

Vote Count #22

Melmond (2) - Jabberwock, ICEninja
absta101 (2) - Nachomamma8, Melmond
jmo16mla (1) - iamausername
ICEninja (1) - Bacde
iamausername (1) - Cheery Dog
Cheery Dog (1) - Rob13

Not Voting (3) - absta101, jmo16mla, Mirhawk

Deadline is in: (expired on 2013-01-01 16:30:00)

11 alive, 6 to lynch.

[Jabberwock]

Pretty obvious that Bacde is full of crap and that ICEninja is the real deal. Look at ICEninja's reaction to Bacde's claim and subsequent vote on scum:

For the record I'm not really convinced by that claim, but a day 1 PR claim is usually worth putting off even if they're obvscum. Yeah I'm fine with a Shamrock lynch.

Unvote, vote Shamrock

.

In the meantime, Bacde is desperately trying to spin ICEninja's claim into something that is "omg not true ICEninja is fakeclaiming scum guyz look at it":

Oh and Bacde if you're VT who fake claimed bodyguard it will literally be your fault if town loses and you'll be added to my "will not play with" list.

This is a pretty dramatic appeal to emotion. A lot of people here were already convinced that I was scum, and were just waiting for me to die at night to confirm me. Why are you acting as though this is a win-or-lose situation? Town is already doing pretty well--our first lynch was scum. There's no way we are in a LYLO situation right now.

Or are you a desperate scum looking for some way to pile on mislynches?

Tierce-head is prophetic and sees an impending VT claim from Bacde here with this "but we're not at LyLo whyyyy did you do that" whin(g)ing. ICEninja's point had nothing to do with LyLo and CC'ing at LyLo is a scum choice, not a Town one. Town CC's before LyLo to make sure scum gets lynched without the risk of losing the game if the wrong person is lynched that Day. And ICEninja's play so far is very much Frustrated Town Who Can't Get His Confirmed-To-Self Scum Lynched.
Looks like we'll have ketchup for dinner eventually after all. (\(^w^)(^w^)/)

We're willing to believe that Rob13 is just bad at making cases (look, the goal is not to try to spin everything someone says into scum-thinking, but to try and figure out the motivation--it's pretty easy to make a case for scum on anyone if you are just looking at

behaviors

without taking into account personality, playstyle and motivations) and that Melmond-McStab is the final scum. Mirhawk and Nacho are really really obvTown and it's time to get this game on the road. Lynch Melmond, lynch Bacde (u mad scum), gg.

Also--this is the mandatory

aha we were right neer-neer

from our D1 entrance with two scumreads. Smug two-headed Wondercritter is smug.

Also also--this illustrates my feelings about ICEninja quite well.

[Melmond]

Both of your cases on me suck. Ices case is just a bunch of wifom, and jabberwock just"didn't like my opening content" and hasn't said what they meant about the vote on me being "mostly a placeholder, but never just a placeholder"
What do the two of you think of absta?

[Jabberwock]

You should probably self-vote and end your misery faster. (ºwº) (x2)

That, and I like how you're focused on "your cases suck, let's ask what you think of person X instead of giving my own opinion about person X at present or even comment on the claim shenanigans".

[Bacde]

In the meantime, Bacde is desperately trying to spin ICEninja's claim into something that is "omg not true ICEninja is fakeclaiming scum guyz look at it":

I really don't appreciate how you are trying to make me look stupid.

I may not be the best at this game, but I'm not an idiot. ICENinja is NOT town.

[Jabberwock]

u mad

I'm not calling you

stupid

, I'm calling you

scum

. If I were calling you stupid, which I actually occasionally do (get used to it, this is a mafia game and I'm not here to be nice, I'm here to lynch scum, I save the niceties for the Discussion forums), you'd notice.


*rests chin on claws*

No, really,

do tell

. How is a Doctor claim at present a claim that scum would make? How has anything ICEninja has done since your Bodyguard claim hint at him

not

being a Doctor who is pretty damn sure that you're lying scum? Why would ICEninja-scum sacrifice himself at present

and still do it in a way that does not involve you getting lynched Today

?

There is not an inch of scum motivation in ICEninja's claim. There is a TO

W

N of Town motivation in doing so. He's obviously Town, and you're obvscum desperate to discredit him to try and get just one Town mislynch before you go down.

[Bacde]

No, I'm telling you this now because a Melmond lynch is a dumb idea

Hes NOT scum--ICENinja is.

I've been laying low today since I know no one is taking me seriously anyway. But I've gotta play to my win condition and let you guys know when you are making a bad choice.

*sprays ketchup all over your claws*

Whats my scum motivation in telling you a bad lynch? Cheery dog is more suspicious than Melmond. ICENinja just tops the charts.

[Jabberwock]

*sprays ketchup all over your claws*

No, no, that is post-lynch. It's like champagne, see.

1) You have not answered how ICEninja is scum, especially after that claim.
2) Why is the Melmond lynch a "such a dumb idea"? What do you see, in Melmond's lackluster content, that is making you so certain of this?

I've been laying low today since I know no one is taking me seriously anyway.

pfffahahaha

[Bacde]

I don't really know what you expect from me. Howabout since you're the one who makes cases, you just read over melmond and see what I'm talking about. There's no scum motivation in his posts. He's clean, pure, pristine.

[Jabberwock]

Empire thinks you're just trolling at this point. I'm inclined to agree. The dragonish coils will be -------> over there watching you self-destruct. (Also, we have a Santa hat, so it's time for us to go sing some Lovecraftianish carols and terrorize children.) In the meantime,

do

try to spin ICEninja's claim into a scum one. Would be more entertaining than that low-level trolling anyway.

[Melmond]

You should probably self-vote and end your misery faster. (ºwº) (x2)

That, and I like how you're focused on "your cases suck, let's ask what you think of person X instead of giving my own opinion about person X at present or even comment on the claim shenanigans".

I already said what I think of absta, that along with how he's only focusing on nacho, doesn't have a single scumread. I really think he's scum.
As for the claims, Iceninjas is true I'm sure, because I don't see any reason for scum to claim a pr at a time like this, and I've already said that I think Bacde is scum, this makes it just that much more likely.

How about you answer me?

[Jabberwock]

Not having scumreads != being scum. At all. In fact, it's usually a Towntell. Scum know that they need to push a lynch through, and that "having scumreads looks like a Town thing to do"--so they crank out scumreads. They need them for those mislynches. absta is having issues figuring out what to do. That comes from a Town mindset, not a scum one. You're painting him as scum for a behavior without looking at the motivations and reasoning behind it. Hi scum.

[ICEninja]

Yeah looks like we'll have this game wrapped up by Christmas.

Good stuff.

I must say, if we're right about the Shamrock/Bacde/Melmond scum team, I want to play with a Tierce hydra in all my games. This'll be 2 in a row of town roflstomping scum.

[ICEninja]

For completeness sake I figure I should answer my read on absta. It's neutralish. I don't exactly have a town read on him, and I dislike how he's stalling his play completely because Nacho isn't answering his questions.

That being said I'm having a hard time finding too much to point to him being scum, so far. I'll read everyone over before the end of the day just to be sure.

[ICEninja]

Oh and the obligatory FTFY

[Nachomamma8]

Good to know I wasn't going insane with the original Bacde scumread, at least. Still don't like absta, though.

Early game there isn't a whole lot to look at. There's a weird push on jmo (where if he believes in OMGUS, he's scum), but he ends up dropping that, going after disturbed, but that doesn't go well and that's where things get a little interesting. Then, there's this:

@Dun

- I agree with some parts of it.

I agree with your post #124.

UNVOTE:
What do you think of Bacde?

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None of this sounds scummy. Why do need the answer to this?

Never said it was scummy, just wondering if it was intentional.

Wait, if it's not scummy, why did you bring it up?

Shamrock seems like he's pretending to be surprised. Instead of just "why did you bring it up?", he adds the unnecessary beginning part to make it seem like he's genuinely caught something.

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Classic Dunhamganger.

This is an interesting interaction between Dun and Mirhawk. Not sure of how I read it yet.

This seems fake. Will be keeping an eye on you.

This is right before the whole bacde/me shitshow, so it's likely that absta as scum wouldn't really be sure that a Bacde wagon would be forming shortly after. Now, absta had been pretty aggressive with his vote up until this point, so it seems strange that the one time he decides not to be, it's when he's attacking two scum at the same time.

@Nacho

Saying that he found jmo town and disturbed scum but overall found the argument to be scumvtown felt to me that he was posturing to push jmo for scum after Disturbed flipped, which was especially scummy because he went for one popular mislynch (disturbed), while defending the other (jmo), but allowed for an easy flipflop after the first mislynch.

I noticed this as well.
Your reasons are good and I believe your town.

This is one of those things that made me twinge a little bit, I have to be honest. It's cool when people call me town and all (I love it, in fact), but these seemed to be calling me town in a way that would get me to trust him more. And I mean, it totally worked. I figured that he didn't mean to buddy; I was just being crazy. But when we're revisiting the scumBacde revelation, part of me doesn't wonder if since absta was being pushed to bus and had a useless partner on the side, if he didn't want to buddy up to me so he could have a strong ally?

Bacde is obvscum. Let's see if this head can find our notes.

jmo is very likely Town. And we have Townreads on the full Bacde wagon, funnily enough--we're looking for the third scum at present.

Why is Hawk town?

Also, that's bs. Looking for the third scum? No town is that confident.

This... also seems strange. You come in, peg both scum (and absta agrees with both reads, remember), and he pulls something like this. It doesn't seem a town reaction to having a shitty useless slot replaced with someone who is actively pushing on your top scumread and someone who you've suspected for most of the game.

Well i've just learned that bodyguards are usually town. If he's alive tomorrow we can make a decision on wether to lynch him or not.

I forgot about Shamrock... I'll vote him if he looks more scummy than IceNinja in my re-read.

"I've just learned bodyguards are usually town." What exactly did you mean by this, absta?
And he says he'll vote Shamrock if he looks scummier than ICE in his reread, but when his reread is done, he...

UNVOTE:
IceNinja seems town although i'm noticing quite a bit of fence sitting coming from him (he mentions that he's "unsure" a lot).
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Shamrock is L-2, i'll let the replacements talk before voting him.

...doesn't. Instead he seems like he's waiting for the replacements to slip up somehow so he doesn't have to vote Shamrock in the end.

@Jabb - Back off Bacde for today. Question his reads tomorrow.
You look worse for that push.

still chainsaw defending bacde against you, and I have no idea why he would do something like this as town.
why does he care if you question his reads today? would he rather have more time to coach him or something...?

Sorry for prolonging this.

VOTE: Shamrock

Again, strange.

Finally, there's his latest "Nacho, where are you? Why are you voting me? Why are you voting me?". He doesn't have a scumread, which is obviously a problem. But he isn't really doing anything to develop one.

His interactions with the other way around (Bacde-him, Shamrock-him) aren't exactly so beautiful either; Bacde calls him town a shit ton and yet for some reason absta ends up below jmo on his master list, and Shamrock distances from two people without voting them (Bacde and Absta).

[Bacde]

I'm finished reading now. To start off, here's my reads.

Town

:

Jabberwock
Nacho
Iceninja

Null

:

Cheery Dog
jmo16mla
Mirhawk
Dunhamganger
iamausername

Scum

:

Absta
Bacde
Disturbed_One
Shamrock

Disturbed one really looks like scum to me, his pressuring of jmo didn't look good. Jmo didn't exactly look good either though. The bigger thing for me is that he's been moving around his votes to whatever the big wagon is. It just looks like he's trying to get attention away from him and get credit from those who are making other wagons.

Bacde actually looked like town to me up to about page 6, then once he got some pressure, he started making awful posts. After reading the jabberwock post that had his earlier posts, I could definately see the reasoning for them thinking he was scum earlier. Of course the bodyguard claim makes me think there is a possibility of him being town, so I don't want to lynch him today.

I agree that absta does seem like scum, but thats mostly gut. Just a slight scumread.

Shamrock seems scum for the same reason everyone else says. Active lurking.

VOTE: Disturbed_One

More coming, just don't want to lose what I've wrote.

Look at his reads and comments dude, it reeks of honesty. I'd rather lynch anybody but myself more than melmond at this point.

[ICEninja]

Several of the points on the absta case are pretty good. I might be willing to sheep.

[ICEninja]

I'm not sure if Bacde really is that desperate to not get Melmond lynched (which makes sense considering his initial reaction to my vote) or if Bacde is overplaying himself to ensure Melmond's lynch. It would be giving him a lot of credit, but I don't want to get ahead of myself and pop the champagne before every scum hangs from a rope.

[absta101]

Iam is a gut scum read. But gut isn't worth talking about.

@Ice - Who'd you protect N1?

[absta101]

"I've just learned bodyguards are usually town." What exactly did you mean by this, absta?

Recent scum game. There was a watcher, a vig, a bodyguard and a double voter. Town were angry at Shos (vig) for killing the bodyguard.

[Rob14]

Bacde is trying to throw WIFOM at the Melmond wagon like crazy, which makes me much more interested in hopping on.

Unvote
Vote Melmond

[absta101]

Bacde is trying to throw WIFOM at the Melmond wagon like crazy, which makes me much more interested in hopping on.

Unvote
Vote Melmond

It's possible he was buddying to make it look like they were buddies. Voting based on WIFOM is wrong.
What else makes Melmond scum?

[absta101]

Assuming we have both a doctor and a bodyguard, what scum roles are possible? Scum JK?

[ICEninja]

Almost certainly role blocker or JK. Either would work just fine.