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In post 549, fferyllt wrote:I don't assume you were lurking.

I'm pretty Cheery's scum. Based on the two flips, I thought either you or Jason would be his partner, because I don't thiink Kue would catch that breadcrumb.

Why do you think the kill was the result of scum finding that breadcrumb? Like you said, it's easy to find if you know what you're looking for, but other than that?
I think it's safer to say that sikon got killed because of the way he showed robustness in his argumentations.

In post 552, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 549, fferyllt wrote:I don't assume you were lurking.

I'm pretty Cheery's scum. Based on the two flips, I thought either you or Jason would be his partner, because I don't thiink Kue would catch that breadcrumb.

Why do you think the kill was the result of scum finding that breadcrumb? Like you said, it's easy to find if you know what you're looking for, but other than that?
I think it's safer to say that sikon got killed because of the way he showed robustness in his argumentations.

Maybe, but sikon didn't look like he'd have the gravitas to lead town no matter how good his reads or his argumentation. I expected an experienced player to die on night 1 because all things equal, an experienced town player is more dangerous to scum. There were 5 experienced players going in to night 1.

Sometimes scum do the counter-intuitive thing intentionally. Who would have felt threatened by sikon's presence in the game without factoring in the PR?

In post 549, fferyllt wrote:So, I'm open to the possibility that you are town. But, I'm skeptical, because I'm pretty happy with my Kue and trollie reads from day 1.

Trollie I'm willing to sit back and say Town right now, I get really emotional about the way people type. So if nobody else finds that scummy, I'm probably just angry about something totally unrelated to the game.

Kue I don't want to sit on the backburner and leave "he's probably Town and he's harmless" while we go and lynch all the Townies and whoever his scumpartner is NKs them. It's painful because the read is inactive-null, not even a regular null, because he won't post, just gets pissy that he was voted for. Either way it's irrelevant unless he comes back.

In post 552, Grimgroove wrote:Why do you think the kill was the result of scum finding that breadcrumb? Like you said, it's easy to find if you know what you're looking for, but other than that?
I think it's safer to say that sikon got killed because of the way he showed robustness in his argumentations.

Yeah I'm doubting anybody saw the generic phrase and said "we must be in a Tracker setup NK him!" He was a mostly Town-read player with several accusations out, I'd be more worried about that than whether somebody rand ctrl+f "track" on every player for a crumb.

In post 554, Lynx_Shine wrote:

In post 552, Grimgroove wrote:Why do you think the kill was the result of scum finding that breadcrumb? Like you said, it's easy to find if you know what you're looking for, but other than that?
I think it's safer to say that sikon got killed because of the way he showed robustness in his argumentations.

Yeah I'm doubting anybody saw the generic phrase and said "we must be in a Tracker setup NK him!" He was a mostly Town-read player with several accusations out, I'd be more worried about that than whether somebody rand ctrl+f "track" on every player for a crumb.

Exactly, and the way fferyllt tries to play this down doesn't sit right with me. She is too intent to show she was not scared of him, both before and after the nightphase.

In post 365, Cheery Dog wrote:

In post 358, fferyllt wrote:bauss,

If I were scum and if you are town, I'd leave both fferyllt and bauss in the game so it could fill up with our 1v1 and leave a pile of chaff in the air to hide behind.

Well it's not like you'd be able kill yourself.

What I'm wanting to see currently is caps's vote down on his biggest scum read as I'm really not liking his vote history. (which was a vote on a lurker and then the vote on jason after I joined the game) I have no real idea of where he is standing.

In post 414, Cheery Dog wrote:

In post 394, cAPSLOCK wrote:OK. We are running into a bit of a tight thing with time, yes?

A no lynch on day one is almost always bad is it not?

No one is really fighting for a particular wagon, and one of the only active posters is the one who is closest to being lynched.

This game culture and style is so different than the several games I have played elsewhere I have truly turned into a functional noob, sorry... But we need to get a move on yes?

VOTE: likeabauss

I feel sure this action leads to a quick day 2 lynch for m... But its the best I have. I don't believe him yet.

Damn you needing to sub out here without explaining why you've decided LAB was your apparent biggest read.

So anyway - have you read much Grim?

These two posts clearly show how Cheery Dog was setting up cAPSLOCK for the next lynch. He first practically told him to vote likeabauss, only to call him out on it later.

I wouldn't mind a hammer on him soon, to be honest. It's not as if he has been trying very hard lately. I think he's a bit pissed that cAPSLOCK replaced out and ruined the plan.

In post 555, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 554, Lynx_Shine wrote:

In post 552, Grimgroove wrote:Why do you think the kill was the result of scum finding that breadcrumb? Like you said, it's easy to find if you know what you're looking for, but other than that?
I think it's safer to say that sikon got killed because of the way he showed robustness in his argumentations.

Yeah I'm doubting anybody saw the generic phrase and said "we must be in a Tracker setup NK him!" He was a mostly Town-read player with several accusations out, I'd be more worried about that than whether somebody rand ctrl+f "track" on every player for a crumb.

Exactly, and the way fferyllt tries to play this down doesn't sit right with me. She is too intent to show she was not scared of him, both before and after the nightphase.

I don't understand what you mean about "not scared of him". His read on me changed a couple of times during day 1, but he had a town read on me at the end of the game day. I'm not playing anything down. But, I do see the game through the lens of my own experience, skills and predispositions.

If I were scum, I would have been on the lookout for PR tells more than actual breadcrumbs. tbh I still find the way players crumb and fake-crumb their roles at MS to be a little alien.

In my last post I asked you who you thought would want sikon dead if you take the PR out of the equation. Although MS site meta kinda discounts night action analysis, I think it's sometimes worthwhile to consider.

You're trying to steer me into looking at who he suspected and who he didn't, notably at the end of the daystage. But that's all WIFOM and useless. Why do you insist on relaying the information to me that he townread you at the end of the day, just before he died?

All I know is that scum wanted him dead, and given I have both you and Cheery Dog down as my scumreads, my answer to your question is Obvious. But I don't suspect you just because he's dead. He seemed like a general townread, so the kill might have just been the result of that.

It does work though. Like I said before, the lynch on likeabauus has shown you weren't exactly sad by his passing away, even though he showed great potential to find scum. Instead, both you and Cheery Dog pushed his lynched, each in your own way. No matter how much distancing you get done during this daystage, this will link you forver.
I saw great similarity between likeabauss' play and sikon's, apart from sikon's uncertainty. But there was no guarantee this uncertainty would persist. In fact, it probably wouldn't have. Some support from any other player for his arguments would have put him back on the right trackagain. So you killing him makes perfect sense.

In post 558, Grimgroove wrote:You're trying to steer me into looking at who he suspected and who he didn't, notably at the end of the daystage. But that's all WIFOM and useless. Why do you insist on relaying the information to me that he townread you at the end of the day, just before he died?

That's not really what I'm doing. It is WIFOM, but to me, killing sikon looks more like a who would be incriminated thing than a who would he go after thing. And I say that in the full knowledge of where I stood with him at the end of day 1.

All I know is that scum wanted him dead, and given I have both you and Cheery Dog down as my scumreads, my answer to your question is Obvious. But I don't suspect you just because he's dead. He seemed like a general townread, so the kill might have just been the result of that.

Maybe. It really depends on the composition of the scum team. Being in the position of knowing my alignment, my list of possible scum by necessity differs from yours. We do agree on Cheery, though.

It does work though. Like I said before, the lynch on likeabauus has shown you weren't exactly sad by his passing away, even though he showed great potential to find scum. Instead, both you and Cheery Dog pushed his lynched, each in your own way. No matter how much distancing you get done during this daystage, this will link you forver.
I saw great similarity between likeabauss' play and sikon's, apart from sikon's uncertainty. But there was no guarantee this uncertainty would persist. In fact, it probably wouldn't have. Some support from any other player for his arguments would have put him back on the right trackagain. So you killing him makes perfect sense.

bauss and I had a very frank talk about our scumreads at the end of day 1. I took quite a bit of what he said on board. Lynx just accused me of sheeping him over it. The linkage is a mirage. Today's lynch has to be one of Cheery or me. I'm still on the fence about whether my flip today would do town more good than Cheery's, because your linkage theory is obscuring other players, one of whom is scum.

In post 505, Nobody Special wrote:

Kueshina has been prodded.

In post 556, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 365, Cheery Dog wrote:

In post 358, fferyllt wrote:bauss,

If I were scum and if you are town, I'd leave both fferyllt and bauss in the game so it could fill up with our 1v1 and leave a pile of chaff in the air to hide behind.

Well it's not like you'd be able kill yourself.

What I'm wanting to see currently is caps's vote down on his biggest scum read as I'm really not liking his vote history. (which was a vote on a lurker and then the vote on jason after I joined the game) I have no real idea of where he is standing.

In post 414, Cheery Dog wrote:

In post 394, cAPSLOCK wrote:OK. We are running into a bit of a tight thing with time, yes?

A no lynch on day one is almost always bad is it not?

No one is really fighting for a particular wagon, and one of the only active posters is the one who is closest to being lynched.

This game culture and style is so different than the several games I have played elsewhere I have truly turned into a functional noob, sorry... But we need to get a move on yes?

VOTE: likeabauss

I feel sure this action leads to a quick day 2 lynch for m... But its the best I have. I don't believe him yet.

Damn you needing to sub out here without explaining why you've decided LAB was your apparent biggest read.

So anyway - have you read much Grim?

These two posts clearly show how Cheery Dog was setting up cAPSLOCK for the next lynch. He first practically told him to vote likeabauss, only to call him out on it later.

I wouldn't mind a hammer on him soon, to be honest. It's not as if he has been trying very hard lately. I think he's a bit pissed that cAPSLOCK replaced out and ruined the plan.

I asked him to place a vote on biggest scumread. Not my biggest, That's should be a bloody big difference.
Me wanting him to have stance, where he didn't even comment on my post -
If I just wanted the hammer - I'd actually have been asking someone to hammer and using the deadline as as excuse. (which would also happen regardless of my alignment)

It does mean I don't know what he was thinking or not, and it does change stuff, but that's how replacements in games asre always bad.

In post 559, fferyllt wrote: Today's lynch has to be one of Cheery or me. I'm still on the fence about whether my flip today would do town more good than Cheery's, because your linkage theory is obscuring other players, one of whom is scum.

Why does the lynch have to be one of us?
My reads might not even be any good and you might not be scum, and if that's the case I don't want either of us lynched today. (or at all)

waiting for replacement before i do anything with cheery

In post 343, cAPSLOCK wrote:My internet access is spottier than I thought it would be. I am on the blue ridge parkway near Mt Pisgah.

That said I HAVE been paying attention. I have been leaning to voting for likeabauss for reasons I have previously mentioned as well as some recent developments. I think Jason's recent catch of likeabauss wanting to vote because a player is experienced is especially damning. I don't know if my vote would be a hammer so I will hold off for a few moments. Day one is over really soon, yes?

In post 345, cAPSLOCK wrote:OK. I see. I will still wait a bit and watch.

Lets hear from likeabauss.

In post 356, cAPSLOCK wrote:Is it bad strategy to defend yourself when you are l-2? As far as I can tell likeabauss is doing a good time building a case against another player but is not spending much time talking about being l-2?

It is not a rhetorical question.

Those are the three posts cAPSLOCK had made before you asked him to vote his biggest scumread.
Are you telling me you had no idea who he was going to vote for given these posts?
Really?

^directed at Cheery Dog

@Trollie, aside from doing, what are you thinking about both fferyllt and Cheery Dog?

In post 559, fferyllt wrote:
bauss and I had a very frank talk about our scumreads at the end of day 1. I took quite a bit of what he said on board. Lynx just accused me of sheeping him over it. The linkage is a mirage. Today's lynch has to be one of Cheery or me. I'm still on the fence about whether my flip today would do town more good than Cheery's, because your linkage theory is obscuring other players, one of whom is scum.

This makes so little sense I can't help but consider this an AtE. I can't see any reason why you would prefer a lynch on yourself over a lynch over someone you think is scum just because there is some possible confusion about how the two of you are aligned.

If the "mirage" is still there tomorrow, you can still deal with it then. Having yourself lynched as town now just for the sake of clarity is such a stretch I can hardly imagine this coming from town.

In post 564, Grimgroove wrote:Those are the three posts cAPSLOCK had made before you asked him to vote his biggest scumread.
Are you telling me you had no idea who he was going to vote for given these posts?
Really?

I wasn't confident that he actually had any reads, so yes I wasn't sure who he would vote or if he would actually vote.

and considering when I posted asking for his vote on be put somewhere bauss was still at L-2, what actually was the problem here.

Still waiting for actual reasons from Jason today though.

Still waiting for actual scumhunting from Cherry Today.

In post 568, JasonWazza wrote:Still waiting for actual scumhunting from Cherry Today.

Maybe you can answer my question so I can do that.
You know it might help, sewing as I asked it and all.

Your being fucking dense now aren't you?

Grim's case mixed with your failure to do anything, mixed with my capture of the "town" post i'm leaning on that being fake right now.

In post 567, Cheery Dog wrote: and considering when I posted asking for his vote on be put somewhere bauss was still at L-2, what actually was the problem here.

It just shows your gentle nudges that helped lead to his lynch. It's all part of... oh why the hell am I explaining this to you, you know very well what the problem is.

Hello everyone, will skim tonight and read tomorrow

In post 570, JasonWazza wrote:Your being fucking dense now aren't you?

Grim's case mixed with your failure to do anything, mixed with my capture of the "town" post i'm leaning on that being fake right now.

Whih parts of Grimm's case...

In post 571, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 567, Cheery Dog wrote: and considering when I posted asking for his vote on be put somewhere bauss was still at L-2, what actually was the problem here.

It just shows your gentle nudges that helped lead to his lynch. It's all part of... oh why the hell am I explaining this to you, you know very well what the problem is.

Because I want to know what is causing this obsurd confirmation bias.
I do respect it's not useful though.