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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:48 pm
by Lost Butterfly
(In all fairness, though, I didn't really think that hard about most of that stuff at the time--I was checking the thread on my phone and just had an instinctive "Oh, he looks town" to Zdenek's posts.)
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:49 pm
by zMuffinMan
morph wrote:Seanald, Klick and to a lesser extent Hermy don't look so good.
i actually liked seanald's entrance. tone of the post read arrogant town.
other two i'm kind of meh on.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:51 pm
by ProHawk
I don't disagree with you on the alignment of Zdenek. I am concerned that you didn't even blink twice with all of your theorizing about Hitman and Investigative Immune being used by scum to gain town-cred.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:52 pm
by Garuda
In post 434, Lost Butterfly wrote:I'm going to bed, but quick strategy thoughts:
1) What do people think about a mass-advertisement claim (which we use to find out how much money is on each ability), and then a coordinated advertisement campaign? I originally wanted just to claim
what
we'd bid on, so scum wouldn't know how to stop it, but maybe each town can pledge to pay a certain amount so that abilities aren't lost. The obvious caveat is that scum know by how much to outbid us, though. But something like, "These two players are responsible for advertising however much they want on these three abilities, these players for advertising these ones," etc. Is that more trouble than it's worth?
2)
*pokes Tammy with a stick*
To be honest, I'm sick of Neighbourizers right now. What's the obsession with them being so dangerous? I actually think it's a protown power in this set-up (although it becomes strongly proscum in really specific instances). You can transfer money with a town read, plan gambits, claim role information, buy abilities, etc. Meanwhile, if scum have neighbourizer, then there's nothing we can do about it to stop them communicating with the other team. It's not something like Investigation Immune that we can plan around. Garuda's plan of having the neighboree claim D2 is a good compromise, but that doesn't stop scum from just using the second shot to neighbourize a partner.
3) @Empire: I was thinking "This is a list of townies and this is a list of not-townies. These not-townies must send money to the townies every night, but don't claim which one. Afterwards, if the townies a certain not-townie claims to have sent money to keep winding up dead, not-townie starts looking fishy." I'm not sure if that's the same as your plan, or if the not-townies are a crucial new element.
The next couple of days will be mostly Mina posting, so expect shittier reads and fewer votes!
I think a mass advertising campaign is something to consider but we should get the more suspicious / non-townreads people to pledge the ad money? That way collective townreads can focus on actually winning abilities to ensure they go to town.
About my compromise plan: scum can't use the second shot to neighborize a partner really because they will not be able to communicate with the other team freely in that QT given the presence of possibly a third slot that's town (communication across scum teams is the whole reason scum want that thing in the first place). It's going to look mighty bad for the Neighborizer if the N1 neighboree dies N2 and then the QT is used in the hypothetical scum way.
You pretty much nailed it w.r.t. transferring so I don't have anything new to add there.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:58 pm
by Garuda
In post 453, Lost Butterfly wrote:Also, Zdenek is town (both because of the claims and how he seems more gleeful and spontaneous than his more robotic scum meta). Other town reads I'm getting are Pyro, Garuda (although this would be more solid if they'd done more scumhunting, the way they're approaching the strategizing feels like a town PoV), and baldeagle (although his last big post I didn't like as much). I have a weaker one on upside down based solely on tone and them seeming really relaxed. I'll get back to you on scum reads later.
Pretty much agree with all of this. Nacho and I talked a bit about upside down; he told me was going to try to read it based on Quilford's posting but that N looked good and I agreed.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:00 pm
by Voidedmafia
What's this supposed to mean?!
In post 548, 1baldeagle1 wrote:So, you mention my misquote, but you don't respond to my me saying you are WKing LB?
I've seen multiple people say I'm white-knighting them, but I'm not seeing it. Yes, my initial townread on them came from the fact I thought you were scum pushing a bad case on her, but I've been adding to that townread based on other things.
In post 548, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, if you are saying I was calling LB scum because he kept misquoting, you are wrong.
You used that to fluff up that case, considering, like, only two quotes out of 8-10 or so involved the only real point you had.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:03 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In post 552, ProHawk wrote:I don't disagree with you on the alignment of Zdenek. I am concerned that you didn't even blink twice with all of your theorizing about Hitman and Investigative Immune being used by scum to gain town-cred.
Fair enough. But why did you deliberately not bold the last part of my sentence about scum being much more likely to claim investigative immune
than hitman
? Shouldn't the fact that he claimed Hitman have been relevant?
Voidedmafia wrote:What's this supposed to mean?!
Aren't you the one who got in trouble for implying you thought I was town because baldeagle was scum and attacking me? To be honest, at this point, I'm skimming the walls between you and eagle, because I'm a terrible person.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:05 pm
by Voidedmafia
In post 556, Lost Butterfly wrote:Aren't you the one who got in trouble for implying you thought I was town because baldeagle was scum and attacking me? To be honest, at this point, I'm skimming the walls between you and eagle, because I'm a terrible person.
Yes.
Also, we aren't walling, my posts are just longer than I want them to because I kept getting postjacked.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:14 pm
by Garuda
In post 459, Klick wrote:What the hell.
So, the game is already 19 pages long, and I only have three days to read it?
Is there anything in particular that I need to know?
Quoting this so everyone remembers how much of a scumpost this is.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:15 pm
by Garuda
Oh, and since we're doing the whole advertising claim thing Nacho and I did set aside some for Neighborizer.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:16 pm
by ProHawk
In post 556, Lost Butterfly wrote:But why did you deliberately not bold the last part of my sentence about scum being much more likely to claim investigative immune than hitman? Shouldn't the fact that he claimed Hitman have been relevant?
It wasn't relevant to what you said regarding an Investigative Immune claim. Claiming Hitman should have been relevant, but so should have claiming Inv. Immune. I am getting less sure of what I thought I saw earlier, but still don't like your gambit.
Advertising Claim: Gravedigger.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:17 pm
by Lost Butterfly
@Garuda: ohhh! I like your neighbourizer plan.
My only worry is I'm not sure how feasible it is to organize town blocs today given the short deadline and how many people have barely posted (and aren't the most reliable people to count on to submit money). I prefer just suggesting what abilities should be advertised.
On a side note, it's weird how wacky most of the claimed advertisements have been.
(In other news, I kind of like Voidedmafia now, but I don't really have anything stronger than "gut", so should probably make an effort to solidify this read now that he's the leading wagon.)
p-edit: Garuda, didn't you claim to have advertised nothing before?
p-edit2: ProHawk, if it makes you feel better, I don't like my gambit now, either.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:19 pm
by Garuda
No, I only said it wasn't worth it to put a whole lot of money into advertising and to make sure we have enough to win it since that was more important.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:25 pm
by Garuda
In post 561, Lost Butterfly wrote:My only worry is I'm not sure how feasible it is to organize town blocs today given the short deadline and how many people have barely posted (and aren't the most reliable people to count on to submit money). I prefer just suggesting what abilities should be advertised.
Yeah, I think it might be better to organize town blocs on D2 given that we don't have much time to create them and they might not be as accurate as they should (and I dislike that a lot of people haven't even checked into the thread yet) in order to ensure success of the plan. So yeah, general advertising suggestions might be preferred for today but we definitely need to hash out town blocs when we get normal Day phases again.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:28 pm
by zMuffinMan
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:31 pm
by Garuda
Oh, believe me, I already chewed Nacho out about this over AIM when we were discussing reads earlier (he apparently hasn't been feeling all that well and wasn't thinking when he claimed it ._.)
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:34 pm
by Garuda
In post 521, Lord Mhork wrote:Garuda, do you think it's possible whomever put money towards medium was scum trying to flood the market with useless junk?
I doubt it. It's far more likely that whatever ad money they put in was put towards pro-scum abilities like Hitman (because let's face it no townie in their right mind would ever put in money towards advertising shit like that).
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:39 pm
by Voidedmafia
I suggest Doctor, maybe Commuter, and maybe FDC?
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:16 pm
by Pyrotechnics
In post 491, Lost Butterfly wrote:
Can you explain why exactly you thought this, though:
In post 54, Lord Mhork wrote:Oh wow that's actually a really good point. Pyro just jumped up, like, three town notches for me.
This is the post from Pyro, and it's really, really banal (not to mention untrue):
In post 53, Pyrotechnics wrote: In post 41, 1baldeagle1 wrote:I bidded $20 on it. I tried to go for cop as well, but I didn't win it. (I spent $40 on cop). I didn't want to spend too much money.
P-Edit: No, scum will kill the neighborzier.
Why would they? Scum are going to kill the most town person no matter what their role.
is it really really banal Mina? Is it. I would like to know how often as town you decide to underhandedly discredit the points of people you are town reading. You know for a fact scum don't always just kill someone because of a role. They often kill who the most town person is or who is a threat, so reducing it to a role based on paranoia isn't actually accurate.
And what made you think he was responding to that statement. That would be a ridiculous statement to give a townread for. Not only that but the time stamps are in the same exact minute. When he made that post I thought he was referring to my post a couple up in which I pointed out that since scum have cop they could use neighborizer to coordinate with each other if they found each other.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:21 pm
by Pyrotechnics
Oh I did the math, and that is the amount of money he should have if he did those things.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:23 pm
by Pyrotechnics
What has cabd come up with on the game mechanics end?
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:24 pm
by uʍop ǝpısdn
In post 543, Voidedmafia wrote:
Is there a reason you're suddenly ascribing to the FaraMina style of quoting posts but not explaining why?
I was just pointing out that part of baldeagle's case on Lost Butterfly early in the game was that Mina kept screwing up quote tags.
(also, I don't remember faramina quoting any posts and not explaining why)
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:25 pm
by uʍop ǝpısdn
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:28 pm
by uʍop ǝpısdn
In post 554, Garuda wrote: In post 453, Lost Butterfly wrote:Also, Zdenek is town (both because of the claims and how he seems more gleeful and spontaneous than his more robotic scum meta). Other town reads I'm getting are Pyro, Garuda (although this would be more solid if they'd done more scumhunting, the way they're approaching the strategizing feels like a town PoV), and baldeagle (although his last big post I didn't like as much). I have a weaker one on upside down based solely on tone and them seeming really relaxed. I'll get back to you on scum reads later.
Pretty much agree with all of this. Nacho and I talked a bit about upside down; he told me was going to try to read it based on Quilford's posting but that N looked good and I agreed.
I think Quilford's only made the one post. He would have made more but he was on his phone and our name has stupid symbols in it that you can't type on a phone (I think that's the excuse he gave me - something about being on a phone, anyway; maybe he was just too lazy to log out/log in. I don't know how to do the symbols at any rate.)
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:32 pm
by uʍop ǝpısdn
hey let's make a table!
I love tables!