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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Thu May 10, 2007 12:46 am

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...I believe M4yhem still needs to be replaced, too. And I've not yet decided if you're going to be lynched yet; I'm still waiting on more opinions. Sarc? MBL?
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Thu May 10, 2007 6:59 am

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unvote
partially out of annoyance out of Cavane's last post, which is a minor protown tell (the fact that he's willing to discuss replacing back in makes him more likely to be town-if he was scum he would be much less likely to make that sort of comment).

(Note my annoyance is more of a "It really should be a standard rule that people can't discuss their ability to replace back into a game while they are still alive"; it's the same principle of why people don't discuss ongoing games outside the thread.)
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Thu May 10, 2007 7:29 am

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, I suppose. I really don't know. I can see Cavane's claim as being true. Honestly, I'd still be okay with lynching him, but we can probably do better. In case it's not obvious, I'm feeling a little tired of this day. I'm pretty much willing to lynch anybody if someone gives me a good reason, as scummy as that sounds.
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Thu May 10, 2007 8:31 am

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...if we accept Cavane's claim as being true (which I'm not entirely sure I do), then it would be wisest to see who jumped on-board towards the end of the lynch. I believe that would be... Yos, Cam, and Sarc? Yos was the first to jump off of it, Cam provided a weak point on the "convenient" nature of the claim, and Sarc just jumped off.

I'd say that if scum jumped onto the lynch late, we should be looking at one of Sarc/Cam. Mayhaps I'll go through the thread a bit later to reassess my opinions of Cavane, Sarc, and Cam.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Thu May 10, 2007 2:28 pm

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Cavane wrote:Well, since I'm not lynched by now, I guess I'm not going to be quite yet. How do we proceed from here? I think we need a replacement on AndrewS before we can really move much further ahead. Or if I do end up getting lynched Today, or NKed, I can replace him.
Thok wrote:unvote partially out of annoyance out of Cavane's last post, which is a minor protown tell (the fact that he's willing to discuss replacing back in makes him more likely to be town-if he was scum he would be much less likely to make that sort of comment).
Interesting -- I got completely the opposite reaction from that post. To me, that last line looked very forced, as if he was trying to unknowingly drop a comment which implied that he was definitely pro-town. In fact, it sounds an awful like he was hoping someone would reply "But if you were scum, you wouldn't be able to replace because you'd know who the other scum were," to which he'd quite proudly reply "Oh, you're right. I hadn't thought of that."

While we're at it, I also found the first two sentences of Cavane's post somewhat disingenuous. I hardly think we were done discussing the plausibility of his claim, but those two sentences seem an attempt to sneakily disperse a continued discussion.

Glork - I'll concede that I was a late-comer to the bandwagon, and a semi-reluctant one at that (in the sense that he wasn't my first choice, and I mostly felt we needed to lynch someone reasonable). On the other hand, I think that almost everything Cavane has said since replacing has been particularly scummy, and am now significantly more in favor of this lynch than I was before the replacement. Regardless, I'm not sure that joining late is particularly scummy.

Afterthought: While Thok's post seems sincere, it would also be playing perfectly into Cavane's hands if this was indeed his not-so-subtle plane to appear pro-town.
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Thu May 10, 2007 3:07 pm

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Actually, Cam, I was considering the possiblity that you decided you needed to help bus Cavane.

Again, I need to re-read everything before coming to any firm conclusions.
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2007 1:14 pm

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Pardon my old-fogey-ness in terms of mafia lingo, but...

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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2007 1:26 pm

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Bussing is a strategy that involves a scum going after his/her scumbuddy. It's usually used when one appears about to be lynched. The result is, when the lynchee comes up scum, it makes the other scum who bussed him, look pro-town for going after him.
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2007 3:59 pm

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Cavane wrote:The result is, when the lynchee comes up scum, it makes the other scum who bussed him, look pro-town for going after him.
I didn't know the word...I'm not retarded. :)

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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2007 7:00 pm

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Glork wrote:...if we accept Cavane's claim as being true (which I'm not entirely sure I do), then it would be wisest to see who jumped on-board towards the end of the lynch. I believe that would be... Yos, Cam, and Sarc?
Wait, how does that fit with bussing? If we accept Cavane's claim as being true, then he's not scum, and there's no way I could be bussing him.

In fact, this is a little scummy to me, though I concede that Glork disclaimed he hadn't made any firm decisions yet. Nevertheless, he suggested I was scummy for a reason which I found questionable, and his response is to explain that he put me on the list for a reason that doesn't make sense with respect to the original post. Hm.
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2007 1:22 am

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Oh, the "Cam might be throwing Cavane under the bus" thought and the "Scum piled late onto the wagon" thought were completely separate.

It's just that the late votes reminded me of D1 in McDonald's Mafia. (In particular, I'm referring to this post when PinkPrincessScum hopped onto the wagon of DragonsofSummerScum very late in the day.) I predicted (successfully) that scum would want to clamber onto the wagon late so as to go with the flow and hopefully seem less suspicious.

In fact, I also made the same correct prediction in SIHM Mafia when StD hammered his scumbuddy VisMaior when it was obvious that VM was going to be lynched. I flat-out asked StD if he enjoyed dropping the hammer on his scumbuddy.

So one thought is "if Cavane is legit, scum must've jumped aboard at *some* point -- likely after I pointed out those two scummy posts by JDodge."
The other thought is "if Cavane is scum, it seems like a prime time for scum to climb aboard to ease suspicion against themselves."

That's why I want to look at Yos, Sarc, and Cam, and why I want to re-examine JDodge/Cavane in the near future.
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2007 6:08 am

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I'd have to say that despite being one of the people named, I agree with what Glork is saying. In fact, I'd say that I agree partially because I feel that my behaviour in this game has been rather scummy, despite the fact that I'm, well, not scum.

I have to say that I can see Cam as scum, given his recent behaviour. I still don't like his reason for jumping off of M4yhem, and I'm not sure why he felt the need to justify it. I'm also not a huge fan of his most recent post calling Glork scummy for something that seems rather innocent to me.
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2007 12:12 pm

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Sarcastro wrote: I have to say that I can see Cam as scum, given his recent behaviour. I still don't like his reason for jumping off of M4yhem, and I'm not sure why he felt the need to justify it.
You don't like that I unvoted someone because I thought they sounded pro-town? And why
wouldn't
I justify that? Wouldn't it have been weird if I had been hounding him all day, and then unvoted without an explanation?
Sarcastro wrote:I'm also not a huge fan of his most recent post calling Glork scummy for something that seems rather innocent to me.
I think "calling him scummy" is stronger than what actually happened, and Glork's explanation notwithstanding, those two sentences were at the time fairly contradictory.

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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2007 4:57 pm

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mathcam wrote:
Sarcastro wrote: I have to say that I can see Cam as scum, given his recent behaviour. I still don't like his reason for jumping off of M4yhem, and I'm not sure why he felt the need to justify it.
You don't like that I unvoted someone because I thought they sounded pro-town? And why
wouldn't
I justify that? Wouldn't it have been weird if I had been hounding him all day, and then unvoted without an explanation?
I don't know, Cam. Do you find it scummy that I did that?

My point is that you felt the need to justify getting
off of
M4yhem, rather than simply justifying getting
onto
Cavane. It just seemed unnatural to me, and when I asked about it the first time, you didn't respond.
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 5:08 am

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Sarcastro wrote:I don't know, Cam. Do you find it scummy that I did that?
There is no need to be smarmy. To answer: No, I do not find it scummy that you disagree with my reasoning, if that's what you're referring to, though I in turn disagree with your statement that Glork's action was rather innocent.
Sarcastro wrote:when I asked about it the first time, you didn't respond.
I don't recall this happening (though certainly this is not a conclusive sign that this did not occur). I also didn't see it skimming through your posts -- perhaps you could give me a post number?

In any case, I thought my series of questions explained why I felt the need to justify getting off of M4yhem -- In fact, to me, that was the more significant decision of the two. Jumping on JDodge/Cavane was more for information and convenience than any particular scum-tell.

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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 6:57 am

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Jumping on JDodge/Cavane was more for information and convenience than any particular scum-tell.
I'm curious, then, as to why you left your vote on me when I was well on my way to being lynched, if you didn't really think I was scum.
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 11:36 am

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mathcam wrote:
Sarcastro wrote:I don't know, Cam. Do you find it scummy that I did that?
There is no need to be smarmy. To answer: No, I do not find it scummy that you disagree with my reasoning, if that's what you're referring to, though I in turn disagree with your statement that Glork's action was rather innocent.
No, Cam, I was asking if you found it scummy that I never gave a reason for jumping off of M4yhem. I simply gave a reason for voting Cavane: I wanted day to end, and I'd already made it clear that Cavane was a good enough lynch for me. I never said anything more about M4yhem, even though I had been hounding him all day. I just want to know if you find this scummy, and, if so, why you never said anything to that effect.
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Sarcastro wrote:when I asked about it the first time, you didn't respond.
I don't recall this happening (though certainly this is not a conclusive sign that this did not occur). I also didn't see it skimming through your posts -- perhaps you could give me a post number?
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Sarcastro wrote:I suppose I would be okay with lynching Cavane, if that's what you want, but I don't see your logic in removing your vote from M4yhem. Why does that quote make you willing to give him the benefit of the doubt?
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 1:21 pm

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Sarcastro wrote: No, Cam, I was asking if you found it scummy that I never gave a reason for jumping off of M4yhem. I simply gave a reason for voting Cavane: I wanted day to end, and I'd already made it clear that Cavane was a good enough lynch for me. I never said anything more about M4yhem, even though I had been hounding him all day. I just want to know if you find this scummy, and, if so, why you never said anything to that effect.
Ahhh -- apologies for the misinterpretation. In response, no, I didn't find it scummy -- in fact, it didn't even occur to me that you hadn't. Though I think I've already clarified why I explained my unvote, let me elaborate: My job as a pro-town player is to contribute my thoughts to thread, and to be as elaborate as reasonably possible when doing so. Suppose, for example, I were to die, and revealed to be a cop (Note I'm not claiming anything of the sort), and you go back and say "Back on day 1, mathcam seemed pretty sure that M4yhem was scum. He must have known something. Let's lynch him." Now if I had become reasonably sure (again, I'm not claiming that I am) that M4yhem
wasn't
scum before my death, I would have been the cause of another wasted day by the town. That's why it's my responsibility to make as much of my thought as possible transparent to the town. For that matter, the town should feel free to demand the same level of verbosity from potential scum, and if I'm to demand it, I better well be ready to provide it as well.

As for post 507, note that it doesn't ask why I felt the need to explain my unvote, only that you didn't seem to agree with the reasoning behind the unvote. That said, I'm not sure I have much more to say as to why I found that particular post unscummy -- it had a very genuine feel of frustrated townie, and that's at least typically a hard thing to fake.

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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 1:33 pm

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Actually, I'm getting kind of a pro-town vibe from most of the posts on this page. I think I might go find a lurker to vote for. Let me see if I can find a scummy one.
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 1:43 pm

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Try MBL. He's been conspicuously abesent, and his predecessors have *not* given off a very good impression.

In fact...
Vote: MBL
. I'll probably return to this Cavane/Yos/Sarc/Cam thing in a little bit. I want MBL to speak up now with some kind of detailed discussion on... well, everything he can possibly talk about.
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 2:05 pm

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Yeah, that's who I was looking at too, Glork.
vote:MBL
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 6:46 pm

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Sorry guys but you're barking up the wrong tree. I agreed to exchange replacements with the mod of this game two weeks ago, and he has yet to post in the game I'm modding or pick up my modprod.

If he reappears I'll be happy to post my further thoughts here, but until then, I hope you'll understand I'm a bit miffed.
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2007 7:14 pm

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I can understand you being miffed, but at the same time, it kinda leaves the rest of us in the lurch. But if the Mod's gone inactive, which seems plausible, as there's no votecount on this page, that leaves us even more in the lurch.
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2007 7:00 pm

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*bump* to get us back on the first page of games.

I agree with Cavane -- it sucks that warpdragon screwed you over, but he screwed us over too, and by not participating, you're helping him.

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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2007 7:18 pm

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Is there a back-up mod?
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