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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:32 pm

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Phoebus means that his own vote is OMGUS, which is true.
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for that. I admitted that some arguments against me are correct, but not enough to cast a vote on me.

@Sarcastro: we all know you wanted to lynch ryan, but is your vote on Braze solely based on that?
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:41 pm

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Well, his lurking and weak attack on VD don't help much, but yes, for the most part I want to lynch Braze for Ryan's behaviour. Do you not think I should advocate his lynch because of the actions of his predecessor?
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:49 pm

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No, it was just a question. I think you should, but I don't think I'll join you if you don't have better arguments, that's why I asked.
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:29 pm

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Miztef,

Your book is not the ultimate book.

And it appears that you either can't read very well or won't.

I said *my* vote was OMGUS.
You just seem bent on getting on my case for flimsy reasons.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:51 am

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So, you voting me, with admitted OMGUS is supposed to be helpful to the town? My lord your worse then Twito.

Somehow, all this stuff makes you less suspicious of you, because it just seems so wrong. I would guess your some sort of Jester role at this point, which would make most of your actions understandable, but I think it's more of a playstyle issue.

and btw your exact wording was:
Phoebus wrote:
unvote: Lawrence ; vote: Miztef


OMGUS. Very definitely and very "basically" used in its definition.
Go cry to someone who cares about that.
This was right after ranting how bad I am. I'm supposed to interpret this as you admitting to OMGUS? It can easily be interpreted either way.


@Sarcastro: I agree that braze should be looked into, I'm a bit rusty on what his scummy behavior was, exactly what are the main reasons you want him lynched? (again, I agree it's a good choice, I would just like to see if I'm missing some of the reasons and your interpretation of them)
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:57 pm

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So... anybody still here?

Vote: Brazegoesmoo
, so that something happens. Let's discuss.
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:58 am

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Anyone feel like making a clear accusation post for Braze? (reasons why he's scum, evidence, etc.)

I think Braze is likely scum. I want to see how he defends himself though, and other people's thoughts on him at this time.
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:43 pm

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Miztef, I think I made it quite clear yesterday why I wanted to lynch Ryan. You even agreed with me, as I recall. Why are you suddenly so unsure about lynching Braze?

Braze doesn't need to defend himself against my specific points, because they're almost all aimed against Ryan. I recognise that it's hard for him to defend another player's actions (especially a person as scummy as Ryan), but right now he's not even trying. He's just lurking.
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:58 pm

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Ryan was OMGUSy and such, Braze entered no better, and now has vanished.

I'm curious: does anyone have a clue what the event that will empower us is?

Thirdly; I'm still convinced a massclaim is in order.
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:07 pm

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Still not up for a massclaim, though I am starting to get more wary of Braze, because I think he lurks as scum, and posts more as town. It's a pretty simple tell but seems consistent so far. I don't like Phoebus either; he hid behind LAL yesterday, and today votes Lawrence for something minor.
VanDamien wrote:I'm curious: does anyone have a clue what the event that will empower us is?
The obvious guess would be Caesar's assassination, which happened on the 15th of March in history. Today is day 2: the 14th of March. So it will be interesting to see what might happen tomorrow. Can't really think why that would empower poweroles though.
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:39 pm

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I've already made my claim really.

While I don't condone Ryan's actions before he was replaced, everything he's been saying looks more n00b-ish than anyhting (eg/ saying he's not a newbie, and not knowing what FoS means don't add up). It's pretty much a case of aggressive player being doubleteamed and not being able to handle it. That or he took the game personally :P

All I know is that he had funky altercations with Sarcasto and Miztef. I'm re-reading these guy's posts to see if I can see any scummyness in them.

My LoS so far:
Top tier:
Sarcasto/Mistef - After a quick readthrough of ryans posts before he quit, he mentions you two the most, and it seems you two want to spearhead or start a bandwagon for his (my) lynching.
Illumina - Attempting to sneak a lynch in last minute (yer post was deleted, but whatever)
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VanDamien - Kinda lurky + I want massclaim = wtf. Sounds dangerous to the town. Mass-claims that is.
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Everyone else - Haven't read through everyone completely :p
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:40 pm

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What in the world, VanDamien?

A mass claim on day two?
Are you dense? Or just incredibly stupid and scummy?
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:06 am

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Sarcastro wrote:Miztef, I think I made it quite clear yesterday why I wanted to lynch Ryan. You even agreed with me, as I recall. Why are you suddenly so unsure about lynching Braze?

Braze doesn't need to defend himself against my specific points, because they're almost all aimed against Ryan. I recognise that it's hard for him to defend another player's actions (especially a person as scummy as Ryan), but right now he's not even trying. He's just lurking.
Sorry, I didn't clearly explain. Ryan/Braze is still one of my top suspects. Phoebus's recent actions really drove him up my scumlist though, and that's why I'm not really attacking braze.

I just kinda forget alot of the evidence against braze. I'll have to go find your post from yesterday.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:10 am

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Also,

@Phoebus: You do realize Emptyger (our cop) felt strongly that a massclaim would benefit the town day 2. I think it's innapropriate to call VD dense because of this.

VD has also claimed powerrole, as I have. That is why a massclaim may be beneficial to himself at least, to clear his name more strongly (if he is telling the truth). To me, this is a pro-town action if anything.
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:49 am

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Exactly. We already have two outed town powerroles. Scum have a good idea where to strike already, and now I believe it is our best interest to get everyone else's names out there. My inkling is that too many will claim vanilla, and from there we just have to narrow down.

I am willing to state my rolename now, if three people ask for it.
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:39 am

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Scum have a good idea where to strike already so you're spoiling them with choice?
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:04 pm

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I have not seen a massclaim on day2 (or at all for that matter), so I can't say how productive that will be. My instinct is that it will help the scum more.

I am willing to take a look at the braze case, although I was not very happy with how hard Sarcasto and others were pushing for him.

I was thinking the event that will empower powerroles is the Ides of march. That is the only thing that makes sense to me.
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:14 am

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I am not sure if a massclaim will be that helpful to the town. But I'm not for or against it, as I'm just a townie. It could help scum obviously, but on the other hand it could help town because scum have only one nightkill (at least they had last night), and we probably have more than 1 power role. But I don't think we should massclaim.
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:03 am

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Let's make that more clear: just don't massclaim. It won't help town.
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:50 am

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I am not sure if a massclaim will be that helpful to the town.


But I'm
not for or against it
, as I'm
just a townie
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It could
help scum obviously
, but on the other hand
it could help town
because scum have
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only one nightkill (at least they had last night)
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, and [:o]we probably have more than 1 power role.[:o]
But I don't think we should massclaim.



Waffle
Waffle
Waffle

I am considering switching my vote back at this time.


Pre post edit: I was originally going to post just this and see what happened but I suppose an explanation is owed.

That post there is a lot of waffle!
Contrast the purple parts and we seem to be going from indecision to opinion.
The red part implies impartiality. Wrong frame of mind for a townie. You have the most at stake as a townie. You better have an opinion. You start off like this and I smell trouble.
An off hand dash of bolded "innocence" is noted.

Blue and green are antithetic and more painfully obvious waffle.
The yellow stars and :o are the parts of the post that make me cringe the most. Talk about jumping to conclusions...Or is it perhaps insider knowledge?
And :o at the setup/role fishing!

After 43 posts you suddenly start thinking out aloud, when you've been doing the thinking in your head all this time?

What is this about?
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:53 am

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Let's make that more clear
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just don't massclaim. It won't help town.


Contrast the similarly reformatted text from above...
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:49 pm

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I had to think if a massclaim would help town, and I was hesitating. My final conclusion is: it won't help town. What's yours?
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:22 am

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Why I know scum are afraid of massclaim, in 54 words:

A claimed Mark Anthony is out there. Claimed power roles in Miztef and I are out there. Yet EmpTyger, after advocating the idea at the end of Day one, was the one who was NKed. They could have killed sure powerrole in Eteocles, Miztef, or myself; instead they chose the strongest advocate of a massclaim.

They just happened to get lucky there was more to him.
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:02 pm

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Yeah, there are several things wrong with that idea.

1. How do you know the scum killed EmpTyger because he wanted a massclaim? He is a good player who was leading the town and looking very pro-town doing it. I have trouble believing you've somehow isolated the one reason the scum would want to kill him.

2. Why does killing the guy who wanted a massclaim mean that the scum don't want a massclaim? For all we know, they could all have safeclaims. It would be awfully convenient for you to kill EmpTyger and then use his death to advocate a massclaim, using your safeclaims and giving yourself the ability to pick off the powerroles.

3. Why would the scum think the idea of a massclaim would die with EmpTyger? He'd already given his opinion, so at least one person in the town was bound to pick up the torch, as was the case.

I always hesitate to draw too many conclusions from nightkills, simply because it's almost always completely WiFoM, but this is a case of particularly bad speculation. There's really no good reason for your conclusions, VD - you're trying to fit the facts to your opinion.

In case it's not obvious, I'm opposed to a massclaim. I really don't know why EmpTyger even suggested it, and I see no convincing reason for us to tell the scum our roles on Day Two.
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:00 am

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*enters the doldrums*
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