Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

i'd put in a good word for you ETL if I didn't actually think that you're trying to hard buddy RC since the start of the game

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

like, you know, i was looking forward to having nachos and popcorn with the both of you being all locktown and townbloccy, but of course ETL has to go and rand scum and ruin the whole thing

don't worry ETL, if we're actually wrong on you, we'll figure it out eventually

[Ouroboros]

I don't have the energy to deal with this, and it has completely killed my motivation to game solve. I tried to work with you. You didn't even try to discuss with me. You're so fucking focused on your narcissistic belief that you must be right, you are completely blinded to anything else. I hope you get over that sometime soon.

I'm honestly done reading this game. I was really excited about the flavor and especially once I got some solid town reads, but when your biggest town read refuses to even have a discussion, it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I'm not interested in doing that.

ETL

@ETL

- Take a break. Have a snack. And then come back to the discussion. We roughly have 11 days until the deadline is upon us.

I'll take a look at what you have on Wraith, see if it holds any weight.

Ghost

[Ouroboros]

Fine, whatever.

VOTE: Ventriloquist

I don't like being a leader anyway

Gimme a reads list, or at least, a lynch pool.

Ghost

[Ankamius]

ETL, I don't have time right now, but I'll have time later today.

[ManWithNoName]

Lynch pool

Ventriloquist is not my top choice, but I could see him as scum. I'm pretty much just giving up on my stand to try and be assertive by voting him.
Verylazy, as explained earlier, I see scum motivation in posts where this slot is not sorting but looking to lynch TChill and Wilky.
Nero is a gut scumread, and I'd still lynch there.

Ramcius is also an outlier right now and I feel like I had a reason to scumlean on him, but I need to go back tonight and reread to see what was there thaat I would want to lynch.

After thought, I am still not a fan of trying to sort out miller claims here, and if Ourobouros is town reading Tchill, I'm not going to be enough of a force to really push that. So, that's why I switched off of them.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Tentative skim of c9++ suggests that she can fake far more difficult emotionality than this and she trips up on the logic so I'm actually inclined to ignore it and stick with my previous read
but at the same time the rage didn't come close to coming out in that game. So it's plausibly not the direction she typically goes as scum
@Jungle do you think that the rage is specifically scum indicative, do you think it's just an ETL thing, or do you think that it leans town indicative?

the hard part about digging ETL's meta for games of her scumraging when caught is this: ETL scum rarely gets caught in the first place. it's difficult to get exhibits of ETLscum and even more difficult to get exhibits of ETLscumfakerage

but this sounds like RCscum too

man this is so tiring can we just have some fun instead?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like Impossibear is being loud and reasonable and this isn't going to be like Heartless, I really don't care enough to brute force town into not playing like shit.

But when you lynch town and I get nightkilled you're lynching those three in order and getting at minimum 2/3 scumflips.

Well, when you put it this way it makes me feel bad not sheeping you.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Subject: Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

confirmed wrong post game.

I fucking invented this trick.

Screaming about how I'm going to shove a player's ineptitude down their throat in end game. All the while I was scum trying to stir paranoia.

Talk about an appeal to fear. It's fucking classic.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Spoiler: ETL played Team Mafia in 2015 and is capable of faking THIS

Subject: Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

lol... like literally.. what should I do? Yell at them? Call them names? Come on. I don't think they give a shit anymore. I asked for their input. I'm still waiting for it.

You want to lynch me for that instead of... ya know... real reasons, that's cool. I will flip town and I hope to fuck the rest of the players wise the hell up and lynch your ass tomorrow.

Subject: Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

This game is shameful.

Subject: Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

I mean, part of the problem is that it doesn't seem like you give a shit about actually figuring me or anyone else out. You just keep looking for reasons to justify a vote.

"If you dont do X, I will vote you."

Ok...? A+ scum hunting my friend. I almost hope you are town just so I can be like, wow you are fucking terrible.

Instead of actually trying to engage me, you argue about semantics and derail conversations. Instead of trying to find connections, you try to create them. Instead of reevaluating your reads, you go "Nope. These people have always been and will always be town for no reason whatsoever, which means only these people are scum, and I will never think about that ever again despite other evidence."

To be perfectly fair though, Mina is guilty of that too. Except she's actually tried a little bit whereas you haven't.

This entire game makes me sick. BB fucking off the entire game only to say "eh well I'll replace" in the eleventh fucking hour. Patrick popping in once every couple of days with a looks-town-but-says-nothing post. You with all your bullshit. And then there's Mina. Going wahwahwahIdunnowhaddado.

Come on. This is fucking terrible. I already told you to lynch me. You think it's the ones like Patrick who hop on with no reason? I don't really think so. It's people like Quil, who need to fabricate reasons so it doesn't LOOK like that's what they are doing, despite being given a green light. Since yesterday.

How's this for an ultimatum?

I'll just vote myself in 24 hours. Noon EST on Saturday.

no rage involved though: probably she just hates being called scum by a random n00b on a meme alt, but i'm 100% sure raybells would react the same way too

[Ouroboros]

Bro u don't know the first thing about RC scum

Didn't you say you were townreading me because of anony?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

ugh, fuck

I'm so down to MANwagon verylazy by the by

@Ouroborous give them a good read through and tell me that isn't scum ISO (possible teammate with Ventriloquist)

it's like, I can see Ventriloquist flipping scum, it's 50-50 coinflip for me though.

[Ouroboros]

@ManWithNoName

- Can't remember if you said anything about this.

Does TChill13 hard claiming as a Hider affect your read on him? Albeit a very unusual hider who can't die if he targets scum.

Wait -

@TChill13

- In a JK9++ game I played in, the Hider would die if they hid behind a 3rd party i.e. Serial Killer.

Since you won't die if you hide behind scum - a term that can include mafia and the SK -, I think it'd be reasonable to assume that you wouldn't die if you hid behind a 3rd party.

What are your thoughts TChill?

This assumes that this game even contains 3rd party in the first place. If not, then forget that idea.

Ghost

[Ouroboros]

No dice Ventriloquist or feed, Ventriloquist or afk, etc.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Bro u don't know the first thing about RC scum

Didn't you say you were townreading me because of anony?

i'm townreading you

in case you misread #556 i mean that ETLscum employs the same Special Ops level scum tactics that RCscum does.

shes as good as scum as you and I think you're more suited to understand her psyche better despite having lesser games.

besides, you can always read her meta anyawy. it'll be slow but its possible

[Ouroboros]

If she's as good as scum as me she doesn't lose c9++

That said I was rather impressed by her scum play in general

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

fuck, i think this honest heart-to-heart talk is leaking too much info about a MAN's secret identity

but things get serious here, if ETL is actually scum we have a good game instead of all of us being town and curbstomping

[Ouroboros]

Every time I throw reads at anony she shrugs at me in discord

[Ouroboros]

The question is never can she do it as scum because it's not hard

The question is -does- she do it as scum as opposed to something else

[ManWithNoName]

@ManWithNoName

- Can't remember if you said anything about this.

Does TChill13 hard claiming as a Hider affect your read on him? Albeit a very unusual hider who can't die if he targets scum.

Ghost

That's the majority of it. I find his claim still extremely suspicious, and his play, or lack thereof, does nothing to alleviate it.

(I'm already out of dad jokes for my fake signature)

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

If she's as good as scum as me she doesn't lose c9++

That said I was rather impressed by her scum play in general

she's as good as you as scum. take it from a MAN. MAN meta.

sometimes even the best scum players get unlucky or get investigated. don't DISREPECT an ETL like that.

like, the only reason she lost c9++ was cause ETL got NKed night 1 from an equally competent serial killer

did you even read the game?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

like bruh you were in the game

[Ouroboros]

Oh I was just meming, I was in that game you dolt

I will not take a stance on the issue but I think you regardless of.how good ETL is heavily underestimate me

[Impossibear]

sometimes even the best scum players get unlucky or get investigated

THEN INVESTIGATE ME.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

sometimes even the best scum players get unlucky or get investigated

THEN INVESTIGATE ME.

will do, cupcake


we were just gushing over how good you are as scum! join the party!