Micro 838: A Miccro Normal - Game Over

[Persivul]

I already placed my vote.

This isn't that complicated
We are lynching today in Ari/Alisae/Pers

Trying to keep as many options open as possible?

[Persivul]

i didn't see why a scumteam not involving you would target you when there are townier players

There were townier players than Not Mafia, yet he's dead.

[singletonking]

I already placed my vote.

This isn't that complicated
We are lynching today in Ari/Alisae/Pers

Trying to keep as many options open as possible?

Are you now asking this given that I'm now supporting Alisae in a you/TTTT theory?

[Persivul]

I also am starting to dislike TTTT. I now think that Alisae was right that Persivul/TTTT are scum and planning a mislynch on Ari.

Yes, TTTT looks bad, particularly how he's noncommital and is now throwing Alisae into the mix.

Regarding my slot:

- Remember that it's a slot. I believe you were town reading Mollie. Do you have real reasons to scum read me after that, or is it just due to playstyle?

- Why do you think Ari's a mislynch? His content is shit. RL issues can excuse lack of posting, but even the posting he's done is bad. Alisae created the

Ari's too easy so must be town

narrative out of thin air. More often than not, the obvious answer is the correct one.

[Persivul]

GL was my other strong SR but

he was really town at EoD

and I'm treating his claim as truth

One thing I find scummy about TTTT: Town doesn't say the bolded here.

Why not? If you asked him why he said that that's one thing. Just a blanket

Town doesn't say X

is simplistic.

[Persivul]

What did you like about it? I disagree.

What do you disagree on?

How about the post in which I show Alisae's conclusion from my hammer was factually implausible?

You're just saying you dislike posts but giving no reasons for the dislike. That's your prerogative, but we have a better chance to get to the truth if we all actually talk about these things.

[singletonking]

I should probably be more open about my reasons

Eh maybe you aren't scum

[singletonking]

GL was my other strong SR but

he was really town at EoD

and I'm treating his claim as truth

One thing I find scummy about TTTT: Town doesn't say the bolded here.

Why not? If you asked him why he said that that's one thing. Just a blanket

Town doesn't say X

is simplistic.

I should have explained this earlier: Guilty is lock-town now because of claims, I think it's pretty obvious the setup isn't 6VT + 2-shotBP vs whatever Mafia. Which makes me dislike the bolded because I expect TTTT to realise this and town do not add reasons to a locktown read, but scum do for towncred.

[Persivul]

Are you now asking this given that I'm now supporting Alisae in a you/TTTT theory?

I'm asking this because he went from town reading Alisae in 299 to including her in his scum pool in 489, and I don't see the progression in the read. That's part of why I scum read him in 492. I didn't mention it there because I wanted to see his reaction first, but then Alisae took over and I didn't get one.

[singletonking]

I also am starting to dislike TTTT. I now think that Alisae was right that Persivul/TTTT are scum and planning a mislynch on Ari.

Yes, TTTT looks bad, particularly how he's noncommital and is now throwing Alisae into the mix.

Regarding my slot:

- Remember that it's a slot. I believe you were town reading Mollie. Do you have real reasons to scum read me after that, or is it just due to playstyle?

- Why do you think Ari's a mislynch? His content is shit. RL issues can excuse lack of posting, but even the posting he's done is bad. Alisae created the

Ari's too easy so must be town

narrative out of thin air. More often than not, the obvious answer is the correct one.

1. I was townreading mollie, but that was really just lazy on my part. Someone said their posts look town and I read it and mentally said "ok fair", then you later repped in and posted stuff and someone said you looked town and I was like "ok fair"
But these were weak reasons overall and I reset my reads when mylo hit and I started scumreading your posts.

2. I don't particularly think Ari's a mislynch, but for the argument that you and TTTT are scum then Ari is town so his RL stuff is a reconciling point.

[singletonking]

I guess I can kinda see TTTT/Ari

[singletonking]

Ok Persivul I'll tell you one reason why I scumread you:

Alright. I'm Bulletproof, and I believe I was shot last Night. I have a modifier but I'd like to conceal it unless you want me to claim it.

Makes sense - you're the towniest person in the game. Did you play it that way

because

you're BP, or is that just a fortunate draw?

Like the question is not really scumhuntingy which I dislike, although it's my personal dislike and probably not actually scummy

But what I dislike is you just straight up say I'm the "towniest person in the game" - like seriously, not an ounce of paranoia here before the BP claim in MyLo?

[Persivul]

But what I dislike is you just straight up say I'm the "towniest person in the game" - like seriously, not an ounce of paranoia here before the BP claim in MyLo?

Towniest doesn't mean you were above suspicion - it means that you were townier than everyone else. I think that's apparent, and I think several other people would agree.

To be honest, the question had more to do with building some meta knowledge on you.

[singletonking]

Ok the second sentence makes a lot of sense and I appreciate talking you.

And I'll happily answer it: I don't force myself to obvtown in games, but I play the game naturally. The BP role did not affect my play here.

[Aristophanes]

Persivul, why are you pushing so hard for my lynch. It seems obvious to me now that you are scum trying to secure victory today, and I am not just gonna stand by and let you push the thread onto me! I've been mislynched enough to see when a push is towny and this is not it!

I have only lightly skimmed the past few days worth of posts but I will respond to anything you like. This push is shit.

[singletonking]

Ari, why is Persivul scum over everyone else who wants to lynch you?

Still want to hear your towncase on Gamma

[Aristophanes]

Oh yeah! Okay I guess I'll do that first.

Tbh Alisae defending me all of a sudden is weird too. You and GL seem town in motivation so that leaves TTTT unless Alisae's switch comes frlm scum.

[Aristophanes]

Alsk he seemed the most vocal and sure of himself and scum need to come in with dumb amounts of confidence at this point.

[Persivul]

Persivul, why are you pushing so hard for my lynch.

I'm not. I don't have a vote on you. I'm not saying

Come on people, let's lynch this

or anything like that. I will be doing that later in phase if nothing changes, but for now:
- I'm giving you a chance to change things because single said you have some RL things going on, and
- I'm trying to figure out if anyone other than TTTT (basically Alisae at this point) could be your partner

Frankly you're not helping the first point with this. Yes, I scum read you. No, I'm not pushing hard for your lynch right now. Why did you spin it that way?

[Aristophanes]

This whole towncasing dead town thing is stupid tbh but here we go.

Gamma's tone was very obviously town. He revisited my slot upon replacement and changed his read entirely, which I don't see coming frkm Scum!Gamma, especially on an easy mislynch like me. His questions had purpose and he followed up on them, used them, and really tried to push the game forward.

I've played woth and modded for Gamma a lot and it led to an easy read. I don't know what else to say really.

[Aristophanes]

Persivul, why are you pushing so hard for my lynch.

I'm not. I don't have a vote on you. I'm not saying

Come on people, let's lynch this

or anything like that. I will be doing that later in phase if nothing changes, but for now:
- I'm giving you a chance to change things because single said you have some RL things going on, and
- I'm trying to figure out if anyone other than TTTT (basically Alisae at this point) could be your partner

Frankly you're not helping the first point with this. Yes, I scum read you. No, I'm not pushing hard for your lynch right now. Why did you spin it that way?

In that case I am bad at skimming the thread lol
The posts Ive stopped to read were all pushes towards my scumminess so it sure seemed to me that yku were the main propogator here.

I'll do a full dive asap but yeah, irl is stupid and I shouldn't be joining games lmao

[TTTT]

Who's your other scumread?

I don't know
like I said GL was my only other SR yesterday and it's pretty obvious I was wrong there

[TTTT]

I definitely now think that Alisae/Ari are not buddies. There are many reasons, but the biggest one is that if scum were Soda/Jumble (now Alisae/Ari) they would've probably submitted Jumble to do the kill, and we now know that wasn't stopped.

this is the most valid argument I've seen for town!Ari

UNVOTE:

[TTTT]

I also am starting to dislike TTTT. I now think that Alisae was right that Persivul/TTTT are scum and planning a mislynch on Ari.

starting?

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[TTTT]

Trying to keep as many options open as possible?

yep
that's PoE