Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Shoshin]

Alisae's a better vote than Xtox.

[Vedith]

Why not Xtoxm? Other than he voted DT.

[grapes]

Why are you still voting me, Grapes?

Until recently it felt like the best place for my vote. I'm still iffy on your reads but I'm gonna swim in my brain a bit about if it's scum you tmi-ing or town you talking for effect and me over-analyzing.

and I think i asked you this already... but what's gonna help is you explaining where you're seeing doubting tom tripping up what he's pushing you about cuz i went over the iso last night and didn't really see it.

[Shoshin]

I don't see scum Xtox playing this way. 251 (proactively comparing where he's at to others), 271 (following up my questioning on EE), 314 (looking back through the game), 318 (fluidly moving off my wagon to vote a less juicy target), and 353 -- all feel very towny.

I have a suspicion that I was Xtox's lone townread at the start, and if I'm right about that, there's another reason to townread Xtox. But that one depends. It also doesn't change my overall analysis.

[DoubtingThomas]

Antitown isnt scummy is not a. Reason why that person is town

Scums pull antitown moves to harm the village. Tell me why she is town

[Clemency]

jinkies 500 posts since i last read
anyone wanna give me a tl;dr

[Clemency]

i havent been on site for like 36h now

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm trying to get you off a tunnel that doesn't help town.

But we're getting somewhere. So I'm not asking in good faith.
Do you think my motive for voting you as not a Scum read and defending Shoshin is Scum based?
I think Alisae has a decent chance of flipping Scum. Is it the voting with Shoshin?

Her long case on me is the only thing i really tried to read

It jad no substance except empty town read on shoshin for a post, attacking me for nai reasons like “you are a newbie in mafia scum so dont try to pretend like you own it”

Calling me obnoxious and “i dont think town pushes like he does” except... i do... and a lot of ppl do even ppl i know that plays here does and looks like alisae has tons of ww experience so idk where she gets that idea from

I try not to omgus anymore but when a case is as empty as this one i get biased and think they have negative motives

[Xtoxm]

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he

lead a mislynch

on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

From GBA mafia:

idk about grapes. he's doing all the right things. refusing to claim though.

if he's scum he's good at fake towning.

anyway sorry grapes if you were town but it all points at you.

we have a fair amount circumstantial evidence for fire + knuckles being town. strong evidence for everyone else being town. i'm pretty much a counterclaim to you and town seems kinda OP if you're real.

grapes (4): Firebringer, Knuckles, Davsto,

Xtoxm

[LYNCH!]
Davsto (1) grapes
Not Voting: Vedith, Aj The Epic

With 7 votes, 4 to lynch

I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

[Shoshin]

I don't know what you're looking for, Grapes. DT's pushing a mislynch on me by emphasizing stuff he calls "anti-town" while ignoring extensive evidence that this stuff isn't AI for me. He's also been unclear about whether he's pushing a PL or pushing me because he thinks I'm flipping scum.

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin has gotten a lot of empty town reads from the clash w me that i can buy a town case on her

I think in situations where i thunderdome people and happened to be tvt scums try to pick a side and make false associstions while try to mislynch the otherside

I am also not tr’ing fa because she wants to kill shoshin but because her reaction w alisae. I think fa had a lot of independent thought and her tone when talking about how she hates pl but still thinks what shoshin is doing is scummy is real

Pvt had a neutral stance which often comes from town cuz town doesnt want to make a ruckus

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't know what you're looking for, Grapes. DT's pushing a mislynch on me by emphasizing stuff he calls "anti-town" while ignoring extensive evidence that this stuff isn't AI for me. He's also been unclear about whether he's pushing a PL or pushing me because he thinks I'm flipping scum.

Dont think i r reading my posts. I clearly tried to push u before u even self voted.

Just because u r doing NAI things doesnt excuse ur anti town behavior. Its nai, so it can easily be from a scum alignment. You are pulling anyitown gimmicks and tearing the town apart. You cannot possibly blame people for scum reading you

[Shoshin]

I didn't say you should townread me, DT. I'm saying you shouldn't scumread me for things that aren't AI for me.

[Vedith]

Antitown isnt scummy is not a. Reason why that person is town

Scums pull antitown moves to harm the village. Tell me why she is town

But your argument is that she's Scum for it. I'm saying it's not the case.

I don't Scum read her in anyway. I think her posting is town and I don't have a valid reason to think otherwise.
The push and votes from others is just tragic because I don't truly see anyone reading your case and nodding with it.
I don't understand how you can have a case on someone and yet do what you're accusing them of.

You're trying to change me questioning over other Scum and move your tunnel vision, even if you remain thinking Scum on Shoshin I'm trying to discuss over these.
I don't care if you town hunt, you clearly aren't and your town reads are biased (which I'm not arguing, im just not listening to them).

Pedit okay I'm reading the other parts you're posting now.

[DoubtingThomas]

Stop complaining about how u r getting scum read for NAI stuff in ur meta brcause this game isnt about guessing whos meta play is ai or not

It is about finding scums and ur attitude of “not answering questions is nai for me so i am not answeringg question” is not finding scum and is scummy

Nobody but jesus should give a kahoot about what one thing is nai or not in ur meta

[Clemency]

wow its easy to prod dodge around here

[DoubtingThomas]

Try to sell me what is townie about shoshins posting

[Vedith]

It jad no substance except empty town read on shoshin for a post, attacking me for nai reasons like “you are a newbie in mafia scum so dont try to pretend like you own it”

Calling me obnoxious and “i dont think town pushes like he does” except... i do... and a lot of ppl do even ppl i know that plays here does and looks like alisae has tons of ww experience so idk where she gets that idea from

Maybe I should read this post with these in. Give me a moment.
You're making me a lot of effort into it here.

[DoubtingThomas]

Shoshin if u can give me a scum case on others excluding me i am happy to listen

[Vedith]

Try to sell me what is townie about shoshins posting

I'm not really trying to sell it.
I'm trying to get a better a lynch.

[Vedith]

Seriously how am I supposed to read all of that ISO?

[Shoshin]

DT, are you saying I'm scum or town who plays anti-town? What's your actual read on me?

[Vedith]

Shoshin why do you think I Town read Eagle?

[Shoshin]

Because you called my vote on him bad.

[Vedith]

I just thought it was a bad vote. I didn't take into consideration of what Eagle was.
That's fine but why did Eagle look town? As you said you can see why I had him as town.