Newbie 1926: Baseball (Game Over)

[u r a person 2]

lol we both just forgot lav existed sorry lav

I guess that might be a good reason for you to not be partners

i mean that
she's also very likely town
and i'm anti-bus particularly in newbies and even more particularly for firstgamers
i also like distancing

so me forgetting to have a read on my newbie scumbuddy who was #goodposting and brave then leaning on you (wildcard factor) to point me in the right direction would be both derp-positioning my own partner and highly associative which are both things i think i'm smart enough not to do randomly half way through d1 with you on the prowl

yeah okay, all of this is true

[the worst]

why do you think i voted godmid....

pedit: correct.. when you asked about marcus i couldn't remember off the top of my head.. which is why i asked you to point me to where i talked about the thing you wanted more information on

[u r a person 2]

given you're now on the lookout for me pocketing you and have just lost a game to me due to extremely heavily positioning you, do you think i lack self-awareness to the extent that i'd go in for three cheeky pockets in a row?

I mean, yes. Yes, of course I do. You're trolly af and proud of it (and usually pretty funny, too)

[u r a person 2]

why do you think i voted godmid....

pedit: correct.. when you asked about marcus i couldn't remember off the top of my head.. which is why i asked you to point me to where i talked about the thing you wanted more information on

I think it was an early distance. When I revealed the greeting tell you weren't like "oh yeah cool I scum read him too"

you were like, well I don't town read him so I guess I don't hate it."

I don't think you're really trying to assert that you were scum reading godmid at that point, are you?

[u r a person 2]

why do you think i voted godmid....

pedit: correct.. when you asked about marcus i couldn't remember off the top of my head.. which is why i asked you to point me to where i talked about the thing you wanted more information on

great, so do you remember now, having looked back at the context?

[ceejayvinoya]

Ehhh possibly tvt

[ceejayvinoya]

Am caught up.

My reads look like

{Urap2, the worst, Ryno, Lavender} townie
{Teacher, Denmon} - ?????
{Godmid, pvturist} - lynch

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Godmid

[the worst]

given you're now on the lookout for me pocketing you and have just lost a game to me due to extremely heavily positioning you, do you think i lack self-awareness to the extent that i'd go in for three cheeky pockets in a row?

I mean, yes. Yes, of course I do. You're trolly af and proud of it (and usually pretty funny, too)

yes but i'm not aggressively bad at mafia
nancy is a valid example - in starcraft i positioned her for a mislynch for aaaaaages then went in for a lategame pocket
then the last two games since then i've gotten away with lolpocketing her because she's been expecting me to refuse to townread her as scum

scissor paper rock analogy, i like being funny but i like winning games as well. i don't do downright idiotic stuff to players who know what to look for.

this is pretty WIFOMy though and we suffer from the bookend that how i'd approach this as scum doesn't matter. i just think your sr on me is a little lukewarm

why do you think i voted godmid....

pedit: correct.. when you asked about marcus i couldn't remember off the top of my head.. which is why i asked you to point me to where i talked about the thing you wanted more information on

I think it was an early distance. When I revealed the greeting tell you weren't like "oh yeah cool I scum read him too"

you were like, well I don't town read him so I guess I don't hate it."

I don't think you're really trying to assert that you were scum reading godmid at that point, are you?

yes, i was
that was the first point in the game where i was like "oof...scumposts..." and he was posting infrequently and in a wally format so i voted him
explaining where i was at then accomplishes ~nothing except alerting him to the fact he should probably stop making posts in an infrequent wally format so i left the vote there for pressure and sorting

the fact i outright called the greeting tell unfun and said something along the lines of that i was tolerating the fact we had a similar poe should probably give away that i wasn't sheeping you
like
i voted him first
we talked about it and were both scumreading him

i'll give you two solutions:
1) "ah tw is voting godmid because we both scumread godmid"
2) "tw is voting godmid because he's scum distancing from scumbuddy!godmid yet doesn't bother doing anything while lolbussing his newbie partner and coasting through the gamestate leaving him exposed and then we spoke about reads and he didn't HAVE a read and then he sheeped an holistic meta tell which i believe in and he doesn't and he's definitely sheeping even though he voted there first"

please tell me you realise that your case is an heavily applied read. if you're town you need to confirmation bias check yourself really badly (or ask cjv/lavender/teacher to weigh in on where you might be being OTT)

the bit of fang you're getting from me here is because it's super frustrating trying to simultaneously reality check and debunk this case

[the worst]

why do you think i voted godmid....

pedit: correct.. when you asked about marcus i couldn't remember off the top of my head.. which is why i asked you to point me to where i talked about the thing you wanted more information on

great, so do you remember now, having looked back at the context?

i'll need to re-read his early iso
if i had to guess based on how well i know the worst, my best friend: the lav was "weak gamestate read don't know how to read this" so marcus was probably ~a townping or two

once we're done with this i'll go back and find them

[u r a person 2]

yes but i'm not aggressively bad at mafia
nancy is a valid example - in starcraft i positioned her for a mislynch for aaaaaages then went in for a lategame pocket
then the last two games since then i've gotten away with lolpocketing her because she's been expecting me to refuse to townread her as scum

scissor paper rock analogy, i like being funny but i like winning games as well. i don't do downright idiotic stuff to players who know what to look for.

this is pretty WIFOMy though and we suffer from the bookend that how i'd approach this as scum doesn't matter. i just think your sr on me is a little lukewarm

I don't think you have a choice but to pocket me in a newbie game, let's be real

[ceejayvinoya]

yes but i'm not aggressively bad at mafia
nancy is a valid example - in starcraft i positioned her for a mislynch for aaaaaages then went in for a lategame pocket
then the last two games since then i've gotten away with lolpocketing her because she's been expecting me to refuse to townread her as scum

scissor paper rock analogy, i like being funny but i like winning games as well. i don't do downright idiotic stuff to players who know what to look for.

this is pretty WIFOMy though and we suffer from the bookend that how i'd approach this as scum doesn't matter. i just think your sr on me is a little lukewarm

I don't think you have a choice but to pocket me in a newbie game, let's be real

Wild shot here: how would you expect town!worst to behave to you here?

[u r a person 2]

the fact i outright called the greeting tell unfun and said something along the lines of that i was tolerating the fact we had a similar poe should probably give away that i wasn't sheeping you
like
i voted him first
we talked about it and were both scumreading him

Why is this not exactly how you would attempt to pocket me? Are you really going to go full ham in agreement? I don't see that as any more likely a tactic than distancing from the tell itself while still sheeping

[the worst]

yes but i'm not aggressively bad at mafia
nancy is a valid example - in starcraft i positioned her for a mislynch for aaaaaages then went in for a lategame pocket
then the last two games since then i've gotten away with lolpocketing her because she's been expecting me to refuse to townread her as scum

scissor paper rock analogy, i like being funny but i like winning games as well. i don't do downright idiotic stuff to players who know what to look for.

this is pretty WIFOMy though and we suffer from the bookend that how i'd approach this as scum doesn't matter. i just think your sr on me is a little lukewarm

I don't think you have a choice but to pocket me in a newbie game, let's be real

what does this mean? because it feels like a thinly-veiled insult

[u r a person 2]

i'll give you two solutions:
1) "ah tw is voting godmid because we both scumread godmid"
2) "tw is voting godmid because he's scum distancing from scumbuddy!godmid yet doesn't bother doing anything while lolbussing his newbie partner and coasting through the gamestate leaving him exposed and then we spoke about reads and he didn't HAVE a read and then he sheeped an holistic meta tell which i believe in and he doesn't and he's definitely sheeping even though he voted there first"

this dichotomy is disingenuous

[ceejayvinoya]

Sigh. I'm going to fuck off for a while and let you two sort this out.

[u r a person 2]

Wild shot here: how would you expect town!worst to behave to you here?

I would expect him to be pushing his reads.

I wouldn't expect him, at eod, to not be pushing his preferred lynch, Denmon.

This game was coasting to a godmid lynch when I asked if TW would be willing to vote denmon and he was all "I'd happily vote denmon" but hadn't pushed it at all

Maybe both godmid and denmon or town. It felt like tw didn't have a real preference until after that point when he realized he had boxed himself in to pushing denmon

[u r a person 2]

what does this mean? because it feels like a thinly-veiled insult

It means that you're not going to push my lynch D1 in a newbie game as SvT, right?

So you either would have to night kill me N1
or pocket me so that I'm not pushing you d2

And since you'd probably like the option to PR hunt, you're inclined to pocket me D1

[the worst]

the fact i outright called the greeting tell unfun and said something along the lines of that i was tolerating the fact we had a similar poe should probably give away that i wasn't sheeping you
like
i voted him first
we talked about it and were both scumreading him

Why is this not exactly how you would attempt to pocket me? Are you really going to go full ham in agreement? I don't see that as any more likely a tactic than distancing from the tell itself while still sheeping

let me expand on that first question because i literally can't answer it

Why is

you guessing my scumread and voting him ahead of me scumcasing him based on an holistic meta tell you don't give a shit about

not exactly how you would attempt to pocket me?

like that is never me pocketing you
that is me voting my scumread and the slot i want more content from
i could have given you more cred than "eh we have similar POEs i'll accept this", the only read i recall giving you any kudos for was lavender

also don't understand why you think me voting your scumread before you is sheeping? it's literally the opposite of sheeping. i could make the argument outside of your lazy holistic meta tell, you only scumread godmid because i made him a target. i don't believe this, but i think it's actually a more valid stance than what you're suggesting.

[the worst]

i'll give you two solutions:
1) "ah tw is voting godmid because we both scumread godmid"
2) "tw is voting godmid because he's scum distancing from scumbuddy!godmid yet doesn't bother doing anything while lolbussing his newbie partner and coasting through the gamestate leaving him exposed and then we spoke about reads and he didn't HAVE a read and then he sheeped an holistic meta tell which i believe in and he doesn't and he's definitely sheeping even though he voted there first"

this dichotomy is disingenuous

it's hyperbolic
it's intended as a reality check

go back and think through why i'm being so over the top about this

i'll give you a hint

Spoiler:

it's because your case on me is not only wrong, but also ridiculous

[u r a person 2]

Why is you guessing my scumread and voting him ahead of me scumcasing him based on an holistic meta tell you don't give a shit about not exactly how you would attempt to pocket me?

Like I'm not saying you guessed the read to pocket me, again being disingenuous

I'm saying that you had an unexplained vote that you didn't interact with or about

And when I gave a scum read on him you said "i don't town read him, so i guess i don't hate it" implying in it's most charitable interpretation that you did not have a strong scum read on him, but more realistically that you weren't scum reading him

and you were going to change votes to him, but you didn't even know where you were voting so you couldn't have been that mentally engaged with that scum read

And you have to get town reads from other people as scum, too, so like I don't see why you would be more likely to enthusiastically endorse it

and I really don't like how you're debating in bad faith here. sorry you rolled scum =/

VOTE: TW

[the worst]

Wild shot here: how would you expect town!worst to behave to you here?

I would expect him to be pushing his reads.

I wouldn't expect him, at eod, to not be pushing his preferred lynch, Denmon.

This game was coasting to a godmid lynch when I asked if TW would be willing to vote denmon and he was all "I'd happily vote denmon" but hadn't pushed it at all

Maybe both godmid and denmon or town. It felt like tw didn't have a real preference until after that point when he realized he had boxed himself in to pushing denmon

this is entirely positioning
you're literally constructing sentences in a way that intentionally make me look worse than i am

do you actually want me to respond to it?

what does this mean? because it feels like a thinly-veiled insult

It means that you're not going to push my lynch D1 in a newbie game as SvT, right?

So you either would have to night kill me N1
or pocket me so that I'm not pushing you d2

And since you'd probably like the option to PR hunt, you're inclined to pocket me D1

no i wouldn't 1v1 you as t/s. i think we're t/t here and it's already a massive fucking waste of space which i feel bad for anyone who has to read.
i'd kill you n1 if i needed or leave you around if it was viable?

exactly how and when to deal with you is never something i consider early in a newbie game
i work out whether i'll get away with an early pocket or not, and go from there

i've been fine scumming against you b2b and have deepwolfed against players with more experience against me than you have so don't feel like i would go into this game with a like an unstoppable urge to remove you from the game as soon as possible

[u r a person 2]

it's because your case on me is not only wrong, but also ridiculous

I think you're just scum, duck

[u r a person 2]

Teacher, thoughts?

[u r a person 2]

Putting my confidence level at 80-85%

This flips red a lot