Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:58 am
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:58 am
The case holistically, not cherry picking stuff that's poorly explained. I am not pre-filtering my thoughts so that my cases are literally not able to be fought against. I guess this opens some leeway for obvious cherry picking, which is fine. It makes people look worse.
My whole point was that your 180 on me had no sense and I exposed your real agenda for scum reading me there.
My whole point was that your 180 on me had no sense and I exposed your real agenda for scum reading me there.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:59 am
No I probably am wrong and suck.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:01 am
Ame you and me should hydra to be honest
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:03 am
i don't pre-filter my thoughts either. that's why i posted my scumread on you. after thinking about it i realized it didn't make sense.
i might need to reread for what my agenda was in scumreading you. a discredit, i think? i understand there are plenty of scum who would want to do that and why, and so unfortunately all i can say is i'm too overcautious as scum to think any part of last night would be a good idea.
does the 180 make sense if you consider it from a point of view that wasn't thinking about how you were the main force driving Frost?
i might need to reread for what my agenda was in scumreading you. a discredit, i think? i understand there are plenty of scum who would want to do that and why, and so unfortunately all i can say is i'm too overcautious as scum to think any part of last night would be a good idea.
does the 180 make sense if you consider it from a point of view that wasn't thinking about how you were the main force driving Frost?
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:04 am
how about addressing this, chara? instead of cherry picking stuff.In post 503, insomnia wrote:In post 485, Chara wrote:i do still wonder why there's a need to rush.Seems to me like you're more pissed at the fact I'm clearing obvtown that looks mislynchable as fuck from your perspective, that's what these post reflect.In post 487, Chara wrote:of course we should consider it. it's just not a good idea to take one single post and declare someone conftown from it. basically ever, really.
You're more mad at the fact I'm clearing people than me making my analysis.
There's no way you're getting your jimmies rustled by me *rushing* things. What's the difference between me doing this right now and me doing it the next day phase??? I'd come to the same conclusion. Just because there's a different day, the information doesn't change, and my analysis of it doesn't either.
But what changes is that I can't clear your allocated mislynch pool when I'm dead and can't argue with you on it.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:05 am
i think insomnia is very very town, but i don't think you're wrong (and i won't take back that part of my argument, either) that clearing anyone off of one flip is dangerous. obviously it informs reads and is good to point out, just not as "conftown" or "confscum".In post 552, Wimpy wrote:No I probably am wrong and suck.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:06 am
no. it doesn't make sense either way.In post 554, Chara wrote:i don't pre-filter my thoughts either. that's why i posted my scumread on you. after thinking about it i realized it didn't make sense.
i might need to reread for what my agenda was in scumreading you. a discredit, i think? i understand there are plenty of scum who would want to do that and why, and so unfortunately all i can say is i'm too overcautious as scum to think any part of last night would be a good idea.
does the 180 make sense if you consider it from a point of view that wasn't thinking about how you were the main force driving Frost?
the fact you had a strong tr on me and then forgot i was the driving force behind aaron's lynch is telling me you also tmi'd me.
it doesn't make sense because of my #503 that I'd like you to address. you have two contradictory reasons for scum reading me there, please explain. One's for "rushing things" the other is "clears people based on one post"
the latter one being solid scum mentality, textbook 101 mafia scum.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:07 am
can you stop calling it cherry picking? now i actually am getting annoyed. i'm so sorry that the first post from you i saw that prompted me to say something wasn'tIn post 555, insomnia wrote:how about addressing this, chara? instead of cherry picking stuff.In post 503, insomnia wrote:In post 485, Chara wrote:i do still wonder why there's a need to rush.Seems to me like you're more pissed at the fact I'm clearing obvtown that looks mislynchable as fuck from your perspective, that's what these post reflect.In post 487, Chara wrote:of course we should consider it. it's just not a good idea to take one single post and declare someone conftown from it. basically ever, really.
You're more mad at the fact I'm clearing people than me making my analysis.
There's no way you're getting your jimmies rustled by me *rushing* things. What's the difference between me doing this right now and me doing it the next day phase??? I'd come to the same conclusion. Just because there's a different day, the information doesn't change, and my analysis of it doesn't either.
But what changes is that I can't clear your allocated mislynch pool when I'm dead and can't argue with you on it.
valid
enough.Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:09 am
the strong TR was from how you handled Alchemist's Wimpy question early on. the "okay, he's very unlikely scum" thought comes with the remembering you were responsible for Frost.In post 557, insomnia wrote:no. it doesn't make sense either way.
the fact you had a strong tr on me and then forgot i was the driving force behind aaron's lynch is telling me you also tmi'd me.
it doesn't make sense because of my #503 that I'd like you to address. you have two contradictory reasons for scum reading me there, please explain. One's for "rushing things" the other is "clears people based on one post"
the latter one being solid scum mentality, textbook 101 mafia scum.
503 i'll address now.
why do those two things contradict each other? i thought it was strange that you wanted to do postflip analysis but also wanted to rush at the same time, and your clearing did seem rushed.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:11 am
?????In post 559, Chara wrote:i thought it was strange that you wanted to do postflip analysis
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:12 am
you..... literally cut off the second half of the sentence. are you kidding me, insomnia?
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:14 am
yeah, because it's a reason for scum reading me. What's the issue?
is it town reasoning or
is it town reasoning or
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:14 am
because you posted this, insomnia. christ.In post 457, insomnia wrote:Vigi shoot alch please, truuuuuust
Cop check JB / profii.
That’s it, speed lynch Aaron and set his soul free.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:15 am
You're saying it like those two things combined would make a townie reasoning. it doesn't.
your push contradicts it, because you stated you felt like I rushed stuff for no reason and then, from your 487, the real reason for scum reading me is because i was clearing people...based on post-flip analysis.
when's that ever a town thought? you either agree / disagree with it.
your push contradicts it, because you stated you felt like I rushed stuff for no reason and then, from your 487, the real reason for scum reading me is because i was clearing people...based on post-flip analysis.
when's that ever a town thought? you either agree / disagree with it.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:16 am
doing post-flip analysis is not why i was scumreading you! it's because you did it for an hour and then told the thread to speedlynch Frost! there are two halves of the sentence you quite literally cut out of my post.In post 562, insomnia wrote:yeah, because it's a reason for scum reading me. What's the issue?
is it town reasoning or
i'm still going to respond to 503 and then i'm taking a break, because the fact i'm getting annoyed means anything i say further won't be especially useful and will just be me continuing to argue with you.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:18 am
because you were clearing them too quickly. it felt rushed. i said it before, if i think i'm going to be dead when night comes i like to take my time with things. that's what i thought was weird. i get that you were confident in your conclusions but at the time it seemed like you were forming them too quickly.In post 564, insomnia wrote:You're saying it like those two things combined would make a townie reasoning. it doesn't.
your push contradicts it, because you stated you felt like I rushed stuff for no reason and then, from your 487, the real reason for scum reading me is because i was clearing people...based on post-flip analysis.
when's that ever a town thought? you either agree / disagree with it.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:21 am
so, what does it tell you if I rush it? why's it scum indicative, especially if I know I'm not dying as scum and have time to post? Especially when I'm literally confirmed, or at least like 90% cleared and am not getting any heat for the next few dayphases?
your common sense flopped there if you're town and it's not really my fault, you snapped at me without any reason. I don't know why you made such a big deal out of it
your common sense flopped there if you're town and it's not really my fault, you snapped at me without any reason. I don't know why you made such a big deal out of it
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:22 am
you're not a single player. even if your analysis doesn't changes, there are others in the game that exist, and your analysis could change based on that. it could also change based on responses to your analysis. you don't get any of that if you end the day after making your conclusions.In post 503, insomnia wrote:In post 485, Chara wrote:i do still wonder why there's a need to rush.Seems to me like you're more pissed at the fact I'm clearing obvtown that looks mislynchable as fuck from your perspective, that's what these post reflect.In post 487, Chara wrote:of course we should consider it. it's just not a good idea to take one single post and declare someone conftown from it. basically ever, really.
You're more mad at the fact I'm clearing people than me making my analysis.
There's no way you're getting your jimmies rustled by me *rushing* things. What's the difference between me doing this right now and me doing it the next day phase??? I'd come to the same conclusion. Just because there's a different day, the information doesn't change, and my analysis of it doesn't either.
But what changes is that I can't clear your allocated mislynch pool when I'm dead and can't argue with you on it.
i'm not saying to wait until day 2, that would be... well, stupid. what i was saying was to spend more time on day 1.
and as for my 487... that's still true, sorry. you can TR it all you like, it's still just going to be a TR.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:27 am
it'sIn post 567, insomnia wrote:so, what does it tell you if I rush it? why's it scum indicative, especially if I know I'm not dying as scum and have time to post? Especially when I'm literally confirmed, or at least like 90% cleared and am not getting any heat for the next few dayphases?
your common sense flopped there if you're town and it's not really my fault, you snapped at me without any reason. I don't know why you made such a big deal out of it
not
scum indicative. i thought it was. i corrected myself minutes after. i can't argue this anymore when i can only tell you what i was thinking at the time. it just stood out to me at the time, that i was disagreeing and so i posted about it without thinking too hard.and again, i did not snap at you. i don't believe i posted anything angry/frustrated/pissy last night. i got excited due to Frost slipping and due to "scum lynches lose games", so i responded.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:29 am
I think you really made a huge scum slip. It could be something like projecting, because you know you can't die at night so when you saw what I was doing you saw it scummy and worthy of pushing. Even though it makes no sense.
You forgetting your strongest town read makes no sense.
I'm blaming your common sense if you're town. You still didn't explain 503.
p-edit : My point is not that you DISAGREE with me. My point is that you were scum reading me for "rushing things and doing post-flip analysis quickly" and then you seemed to be MORE MAD at the fact that I WAS CLEARING PEOPLE based on my analysis. Again, not rushing things and doing post-flip analysis, but because I was clearing people.
What I'm saying is, the rushing things shit is a pretext to hide from your real agenda, which was shutting my analysis down (that's the intention i spot behind your 487)
what's so hard to understand???
in 485 you treat me like a scum and in 487 you're telling me not to clear people based on shallow reasoning, meaning you think I'm town.
You are switching stances on me that are contradictory. In one post you read me scum, and in the next you basically say I'm town and are shutting me down. (Not with those words, that's what your 487 is saying. Not the words, the intention behind the post)
That's the whole point.
You forgetting your strongest town read makes no sense.
I'm blaming your common sense if you're town. You still didn't explain 503.
p-edit : My point is not that you DISAGREE with me. My point is that you were scum reading me for "rushing things and doing post-flip analysis quickly" and then you seemed to be MORE MAD at the fact that I WAS CLEARING PEOPLE based on my analysis. Again, not rushing things and doing post-flip analysis, but because I was clearing people.
What I'm saying is, the rushing things shit is a pretext to hide from your real agenda, which was shutting my analysis down (that's the intention i spot behind your 487)
what's so hard to understand???
in 485 you treat me like a scum and in 487 you're telling me not to clear people based on shallow reasoning, meaning you think I'm town.
You are switching stances on me that are contradictory. In one post you read me scum, and in the next you basically say I'm town and are shutting me down. (Not with those words, that's what your 487 is saying. Not the words, the intention behind the post)
That's the whole point.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:30 am
man, I need to sit down and see what you two are arguing about
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:31 am
Your switch on stances is unnatural, as in...You aren't emotionally consistent.
If you were truly triggered and saw a scum motive in my quick analysis or whatever your reason was (doesn't really matter for this demonstration)
you don't just switch your read on me in the next few posts.
If you were truly triggered and saw a scum motive in my quick analysis or whatever your reason was (doesn't really matter for this demonstration)
you don't just switch your read on me in the next few posts.
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:32 am
i called you town in 485. did you mention the wrong post?
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:33 am
i did, though. i realized as i was posting about it that i was wrong. which is what 485 was. 487 i had come back around to "okay, so he's town, i still think he needs to be more critical."In post 572, insomnia wrote:Your switch on stances is unnatural, as in...You aren't emotionally consistent.
If you were truly triggered and saw a scum motive in my quick analysis or whatever your reason was (doesn't really matter for this demonstration)
you don't just switch your read on me in the next few posts.