Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.13

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

EqsyLootz

(2): Atarashi Hajimari, WizenedWalrus

Iconeum

(1): Doobietime

WizenedWalrus

(1): 72offsuit

clidd

(1): Elmo TeH AzN

Doobietime

(1): Iconeum

Not Voting

(3): clidd, Menalque, EqsyLootz

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-15 01:30:00).

Mod notes:

• Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.
  
• WizenedWalrus standing V/LA weekends.
  
• Elmo TeH AzN V/LA until Tuesday/Wednesday.
  
• Menalque V/LA until Sunday.

[clidd]

there is no sense of logical

/townie

thinking

in those reads from doobie

this is why doobie is town, btw

I had games in which players had difficulty understanding what I was typing and usually stated what Ico said (I was town in those games).

Yes, I can understand why you think

Doobie

is town.

[clidd]

72 is a good lynch, but idk about the partner

I was thinking Elmo earlier but they kind of seemed town in some of their stuff?

and their push on walrus makes me think it's not walrus, also I don't particularly read walrus as anything yet

I would normally say that I disagree, but I am truly affected by my recent defeat against scum!72.

[clidd]

My mind needs more time to think. I'll be back later.

[clidd]

Honestly, worst game ever.

( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=82166 )

[72offsuit]

Wow, this game is literally 1987 on repeat.

[72offsuit]

328

I concur, it's unlikely, but not impossible. I said the same thing earlier in the thread about it coming across as TvT. But it's easy to play town when there is nothing to really substantiate an argument either way .

There's not that much (that's concrete) to be taken from what's been written so far, imo. Maybe it was all towns which were having a battle of wills earlier, everybody came across well meaning so I was looking for logical flaws instead.

Let me spell it out for you.
There is a mason claim (menal). There is a counterclaim to this (mine). Menal is lying. Then Menal backs down and says he was in fact lying.

From this you conclude that I must be scum and menal is probably town. This is not a town mindset from you. Not at all. You got caught in a bad spot and are having trouble positioning yourself based on a bad read from you.

Brief

PoE

according to my impression so far:

TRs

--> Ico | Menalque

(BoP)

TL

--> Hajimari | 72offsuit

Unsure

--> Lotus | Doobie | Walrus | Elmo

* I detected some traces of honesty during the conversation with

Elmo

, but nothing so expressive to consider

lock-town

. I believe that her doubt is genuine about the mason claim, as well as her reaction, but I still need a little more certain margin before concluding on such slot.

Lotus

,

Doobie

and

Walrus

need to be better evaluated before I can rate them (even with Lotus being

scummy

recently).

*

Hajimari

and

72offsuit

are

TL

because of their tone, at least as far as I saw.

*

Ico

is a potentially

mason

(if not confirmed), while

Menalque

demonstrates a presence that can be beneficial, but which is subject to his performance, and the time he will spend alive in this game.

* I will continue to operate at a low frequency, focusing on developing some sketches in my notebook. I will be available if anyone needs a second opinion on any matter.

Spoiler:

Find it hard to believe, but I actually agree with Clidd;s readslist for once.

Ye, agree that Mena is unlikely to be scum. Super risky strategy in a Newbie game to pull this sort of gambit. Agree it is basically suicide to trade 1 for 1.

Town-lean: Ico/Clidd/Mena/Elmo
Null: Ata/Doobie
Scum-lean: Walrus/Lotus

This doesn' feel genuine at all. There's a huge event (the claim and counterclaim), and from this you conclude a 'lean'? In what world is this not simply hard scum or hard town? I've not cased 72 yet, but i'm getting them scummmmmy vibes from this slot.

I'm confused by the multiple reactions to my continued vote on Ico, especially as it's been spelled out for me that it's not outside the realms of possibility. It's the best I have, guys!

I'm still reading everybody, including Menalque. It would be stupid not to. But I'm leaning towards him being Town for now, mostly because of his entrance- the aforementioned arrogance, the fact he said he plays for fun. This makes me feel like he dropped the mason bomb just to see how it would play out, I don't see him doing so without contingency plans in place for different reactions though. I can see ways he could be scum too. Tbh I haven't even ruled out that he might really be a Mason and there's stuff going on behind the scenes we aren't seeing. I have too many theories and not enough data to start narrowing them down.

I've got brainache, if I get lynched I'm going to have to put off starting a new game so I can lurk and keep up with what's happening :')

So you townread a faked claim, that drew out actual town power. And are scumreading the town power that counterclaimed the faker. How is this genuine? You are turning and twisting and sitting the fence wrt to all of the claim shenanigans but fail to take an actual stance. Heavily scum indicative.

IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PR CLAIMS! COME OUT IMMEDIATLY AND CC THE MASON! If we have another PR claim the Mason is fake. Or if the PR cc is fake as both Masons' comfirm each other.

Holy shit can we lynch this scum-butt already?

Actually, this is the absolute optimal play for other town power to make. Town power is designated to catch scum, and if they counterclaim they literally achieve their mission. It's a SOLID trade. I don't read this as scum at all.

Eqsy, Doobie, 72off, Walrus


Both scum are probably in this list.

Strong list, and you get my +1

Lynching in doobie/72off is my opinion.

1. What scum motivation would i have for "townleaning" you itstead of "townreading" you
Actually stop and check yourself for a second, and actually ask yourself the question.
Do you think that! ScumMe is planning to shade you and then lynch you Tomorrow or what?
Correct, i dont have any strong reads either way because im town.

2. Re: Doobie im still unsure either way.

3. Lootz' post 409 is not townmotivated.

Yes 1 scum for 1 PR is an excellent trade. NOOONE is disputing this obvious fact.

Like we have already discussed ad nauseum, scum claiming mason is very unlikely. Asking for any existing PRs to CC if they exist is just a ridiculous statement imo.
The odds of a PR existing is like 2 percent.

Post 409 is the sort of post that is trying to appear town. Its LAMISTY which is one reason why its scummy.
Secondly its dealing with the unlikely rather than the probable.

Its basically the epitome of the wiki when you look up:

Balancing Possibilities Versus Probabilities

So i think your Lootz read is off.

I think we should lynch Lootz.

[72offsuit]

Im not getting any scummy vibes off Walrus, though like zero pressure was applied. Can go back to null for the time being

[72offsuit]

nah, go sleep, you're good for now, I need to sort other people

72 is a good lynch, but idk about the partner

I was thinking Elmo earlier but they kind of seemed town in some of their stuff?

and their push on walrus makes me think it's not walrus, also I don't particularly read walrus as anything yet

This bothers me. Prior to the afk you basically grill me with questions. Then you conclude with, " im going to sort other slots out" ... Which you dont really do and then you return and basically just say "ye 72 is a good lynch".

[72offsuit]

VOTE: Esqy

[72offsuit]

EsqyLootz is at -2

[72offsuit]

Ebwop: L-2

[72offsuit]

UNVOTE: Unvote

FoS: esqy

[Atarashi Hajimari]

UNVOTE: Unvote

FoS: esqy

Why unvote?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Current lynch priority is Eqsy -> 72off/doobie, Walrus

[72offsuit]

UNVOTE: Unvote

FoS: esqy

Why unvote?

I have my reasons. I'll keep to myself for now.

[72offsuit]

Current lynch priority is Eqsy -> 72off/doobie, Walrus

You earlier say that probs both scum are in these 4.
So who are the scum partners in these 4?

[72offsuit]

Eqsy, Doobie, 72off, Walrus


Both scum are probably in this list.

Here was your post.

[72offsuit]

I am imagining that, considering that you know the process by which I formulate my

TLs

, you could emulate a behavior that I expect from a

town!72

. In the last game,

scum!72

used the same reaction as

town!you

before I hammered in the other game, that you were town, and took advantage of my empathy to sow doubt in my decisions..

Ok sure. But whats your updated take on the other 7 players.

[72offsuit]

72 is a good lynch, but idk about the partner

I was thinking Elmo earlier but they kind of seemed town in some of their stuff?

and their push on walrus makes me think it's not walrus, also I don't particularly read walrus as anything yet

The reason you can't fome up with a narrative that makes sense as a scum partner is because i am town.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

UNVOTE: Unvote

FoS: esqy

Why unvote?

I have my reasons. I'll keep to myself for now.

#helpful

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Current lynch priority is Eqsy -> 72off/doobie, Walrus

You earlier say that probs both scum are in these 4.
So who are the scum partners in these 4?

Pretty sure I answered this earlier. My leading idea is an Eqsy/Doobie scumteam.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Atarashi Hajimari

, what is your read on

Doobie

now ?

Random question, does it get tiring color coding literally every post you make? I'd get annoyed with trying to keep it up real fast.

To answer your question though, I still dont really like the slot at all, but I'm admittedly having a bit of trouble getting past the newbie-esque feel to her posts to see if its newb-town or newb-scum. I think it's probably the latter,

but I'm more confident that eqsy's slot is scum and, if so, doobie is almost certainly the second scum.

This was the post I did it in. Bolded where.

[Iconeum]

So i think your Lootz read is off. I think we should lynch Lootz.

possibly yes

[Iconeum]

VOTE: lootz

i'm not getting any traction wrt to doobie so i'm fine going here