Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[word321]

Sure, thanks.
So, I guess it is proper to explain how im viewing the game Right now.

First, I dont rly understand the meta in game 1; I kind of understand that conflict can breed truth, and the whole mind game and all, but nothing IS rly conclusive at this stage, at least form me.

Having said that, Maduisha seems like a status quo player, at least at day 1. I agree she seems townie though; it seems she seems to care for the meta and read her other games.

But clidd seems to have prior history in other games with Madiusha. And in post 243, he praised her for seeming to be townie, analyzing each detail.
I believe that may be emotional manipulation; that is a BIG no no. I dont know how yall play, but you should explain a playing style in a more impartial way. People can unconciously aquire a bias towards people they respect, and that can steem from ackowledgement of abilities. So, praising seems kind of scummy, adn I feel that has fallen under the radar.

And yet again, this is Day one. Even Menalque and Datisi can be scum together as far as I know. I kinda guess the meltdown was a way to show the true character of a person under pressure, but it was created AND defused by the same ppl. But, it seems unplausible, of course. It wouldnt makie sense to bring a fellow scum to a less favourable light.

Since this is my first game, i may talk a lot of nonsense. Again, bear with me, as this is my first game.

[Datisi]

Mhm, few things are ever conclusive in mafia, even fewer on Day 1. You gotta work with what you've got.

Have you read the whole game?

[word321]

I have, but I guess Ill try to read it again, and take notes this time. Its a lot of info.

[Datisi]

Okay. Would love to heard a readlist/thoughts when you can.

[Datisi]

Btw, do you have experience playing mafia on something other than a forum?

[word321]

Limited, but yes. Ive played chat Mafia. But it was filled with power roles, and the short days and nights made it mor dynamic.

[word321]

And before i forget,
VOTE: clidd

[skitter30]

hi word!

And yet again, this is Day one. Even Menalque and Datisi can be scum together as far as I know. I kinda guess the meltdown was a way to show the true character of a person under pressure, but it was created AND defused by the same ppl. But, it seems unplausible, of course. It wouldnt makie sense to bring a fellow scum to a less favourable light.

i don't think this is much likely at all

[word321]

yeah, yeah, i know. But thats the thing, its not likely, but easily forgeable. That was what I was trying to say. Since I guess the real utilities from day 1 lies in setting the mood between players in a game, since theres nothing else to do.
And yes, Im probably overreading things. I also think its unlikely they are scum together. I still dnt know what are "standard" moves and what would be overdoing it, and thats a common mistake for newbies (like trying gambits while playing town, etc). (It is weird from me to say this, but at least thats the feeling ive got from the wiki).
Im just trying to see interactions with objective, in a broad sense; after all, most interactions have an objective, clear or not.
Having said that, if u could explain some of ur vision of the above players and the overall process of scumreading and townreading, I would be glad.

[skitter30]

i guess i'm reluctantly provisionally calling them both town but i am not solid on either read yet

townhunting - looking for people who have a coherent thought process / appraoch to the game that i can track and understand

scumhunting - looking for people who aren't trying to townhunt or scumhunt, looking for people who are taking oppurtunistic stances, looking for people who may be playing a 'political' game in that they're making reads that are likely to go down in well in the current gamestate or are positioning themselves to score mislycnhes, looking for people who's thoughts don't seem to be coming from a cohesive approach to the game

[team rocket queen]

For the record i am not townreading either datisi or trq
But they are very unlikely to be scum together

And marashu/trq is an unlikely pairing as well

i guess if you do this with me and all of the players in the game then eventually i can only be town.

Maduisha seems like a status quo player, at least at day 1. I agree she seems townie though; it seems she seems to care for the meta and read her other games.

But clidd seems to have prior history in other games with Madiusha. And in post 243,

maduisha doesn't make a real post until page 6, is there a reason you chose to first comment on her upon replacing in?

i think you meant 253

emotional manipulation

today's keyword, i guess.

[GeneralWu]

And before i forget,
VOTE: clidd

hey word why are you voting clidd

[GeneralWu]

also why are people voting marashu again what did he do

[Datisi]

did you read the game?

[GeneralWu]

not really bc I dont have too much time rn

[Datisi]

He's done p much nothing, that's the thing. The only pop in was a vague comment about *what* has happened that wasn't game-advancing at all.

[word321]

For the record i am not townreading either datisi or trq
But they are very unlikely to be scum together

And marashu/trq is an unlikely pairing as well

i guess if you do this with me and all of the players in the game then eventually i can only be town.

Maduisha seems like a status quo player, at least at day 1. I agree she seems townie though; it seems she seems to care for the meta and read her other games.

But clidd seems to have prior history in other games with Madiusha. And in post 243,

maduisha doesn't make a real post until page 6, is there a reason you chose to first comment on her upon replacing in?

i think you meant 253

emotional manipulation

today's keyword, i guess.

Ive read the whole post, and what stood out the most was clidd in (as you correctly said) post 253, and it was a post about Maduisha. I saw it as a priority to point it out; he is a rational player, but that post was mostly about behavior and improvement. Maduisha, as a status quo and relatively new player in this hypothesis, with prior xp with him as a rational player is a prime target IF he was scum. Thats why im pointing her out.
Now, he would make a superb town player, but at the same time as he is, he would be rly dangerous as a mafia player. Despite that, few people have dedicated more than comments on that possibility.

[GeneralWu]

He's done p much nothing, that's the thing. The only pop in was a vague comment about *what* has happened that wasn't game-advancing at all.

I disagree with this
hang on a sec let me find the posts I was looking for

[GeneralWu]

do you see this as a bad thing? why/why not?

Not a fan of it, to be honest. Like, having basically a confirmed townie is a good thing, but I would rather see how everyone reacts, and this way half the players (and probably some if not all of the mafia) will be able to jump in with that info already present. It tells us who not to vote for, but doesn't help us find mafia.

But then, I'm not really a fan of D1 mason flip anyway, so it might just be a personal thing.

clidd and mad: How many games have you been in (here or otherwise?)

FP'd by GeneralWu

generalWu, same question: How many games?

here he asks the question "how many games have you been in" which is one of the most common ways to transition out of RVS.

[GeneralWu]

^and the sooner you move out of RVS the better

[GeneralWu]

That's not what I meant to ask, sorry. Do you think moving out of the joke votes this early is a bad thing?

Ah, no. Sooner we get out of joke votes, the better.

But then, I'm not really a fan of D1 mason flip anyway, so it might just be a personal thing.

What do you mean by this?

I mean that I don't like D1 mason roleclaim. Maybe because I've only seen it revealed later in the past, but I feel like you can get more out of it by revealing it later.

Skitter: I don't think TRQ was joking because of :

skitter was innocent child in that game and mason is the only day 1 confirmed town in this setup and i didn't want maduisha to get bored enough to yolohammer someone slightly later on like in 1987 so i figured i'd say something that might get the game moving a bit.

I don't know if TRQ is telling the truth, but I do think that TRQ is serious. I don't know why any other townie would claim that, and it's stupid (but welcome) for mafia to claim that. Only the other mason (and probably the mafia) would know for sure if TRQ is telling the truth, and roughly as many people would know if TRQ is lying.

Based on the way this game is going, I'm pretty sure most people here aren't completely new to mafia.
So everyone here's had some sort of prior experience with mafia, right?

It's been years since I've played, so I am definitely feeling rusty with scumhunting and trying to read into posts. That said, I'm not sure how I feel about clidd's take on GeneralWu. It kinda felt like "This person was questioning me but then re-read what I wrote and agrees with my point so must be town."

here he says "the sooner we get out of the joke votes, the better".
which is a towny thing to do because the faster we move out of RVS, the better.
it's not a good idea to just sit around and make RVS last for half the day. that would waste time and give mafia an advantage.

[Datisi]

do you really think Marashu is town? for *those* posts?

[GeneralWu]

while he does take the mason "claim" seriously, I feel like this part is NAI
after all he says he hasn't played in years, and after not playing for a long time one might forget that people who "claim" power role day 1 are probably not being serious.
I can relate to the feeling of not playing in a long time, since my first game on this site was after a very long break from mafia. (I played a bunch of games on a different website, but those were from months ago). And I did actually have to take a while to get used to mafia again.

[GeneralWu]

Based on the way this game is going, I'm pretty sure most people here aren't completely new to mafia.
So everyone here's had some sort of prior experience with mafia, right?

It's been years since I've played, so I am definitely feeling rusty with scumhunting and trying to read into posts. That said, I'm not sure how I feel about clidd's take on GeneralWu. It kinda felt like "This person was questioning me but then re-read what I wrote and agrees with my point so must be town."

Is that all you extracted from my post ?

To clarify, I see that you are considering the processes of interpretation, evaluation, and revision on Wu, but fail to see why that makes for town mentality in this context. Wu misread, realized he misread, and corrected his stance to agree with yours. I feel like throwing in the the time stamp analysis is more meant to look like your argument has weight rather than actually adding weight to it.

@Mena why is Mad one of your top town picks?

@Mad who is your top town read and top scum read?

@Dat Of course I wasn't going to bring up the RVS since from my point of view serious discussion had already started. There was no point. I'm glad that conversation got moving because of my mistake, but I'm not about to start digging up joke votes when I'm actually trying to keep conversation going.

PS - My timezone is EDT (I'm in Canada). I'm working from home and am being responsible and not posting during work hours, so you can expect me to review the thread and give my thoughts in the evening my time. Maybe also early in the morning if I don't sleep in.

He asks questions, which is good because the more questions you ask, the more it gets the game going.
Also the first paragraph of the post seems pretty towny.

[team rocket queen]

I don't know if TRQ is telling the truth, but I do think that TRQ is serious. I don't know why any other townie would claim that, and it's stupid (but welcome) for mafia to claim that. Only the other mason (and probably the mafia) would know for sure if TRQ is telling the truth, and roughly as many people would know if TRQ is lying.

generalwu's post made me notice this again. notably absent from this list of people who would know the truth of my claim if i was serious is any other pr that is in the game.