In post 353, Bulbazak wrote:@Enter: You still have yet to give a reason why masturbating would be bad.
p-edit: This neutral 3rd party fear has always been bull crap. Most players with a neutral 3rd party still have a town bent, which means they are more likely to help town than scum if given the choice. Lynching them wastes a lynch and ignores any help they can give. They are an easy wagon for scum to push and hide on. If you want to vig them, fine, but if the objective is easily obtainable and does not go against our wincon, there's no point wasting time trying to kill them.
In post 379, Bulbazak wrote: In post 377, Dunnstral wrote:
What is the difference between lynching mastina and vigging mastina that makes one of those acceptable?
Lynches are not 100% town controlled and are one of the best sources of information on later days. That's why policy lynching a 3p "just because" is bad, because it's easy for scum to blend in, creates too much noise in the moment, and might not be useful on later days. And that's ignoring that there are certain 3p roles you don't want to lynch at all in a self-proclaimed bastard game where everything is on the table. A vig is 100% town controlled and can be used to get rid of players or roles that can hurt the town in the long run or that can cause a distraction.
Given that vigs are readily available, that should be an easy choice for anyone that wants to get rid of mastina because of the 3p claim. Policy lynching mastina just because she claimed 3p is going to shorten the day and not give us as much information as literally any other lynch.
In post 382, Bulbazak wrote:You asked the difference between lynching and vigging. I gave you the simplified answer. Scum are not going to shoot mastina. Only town will. And lynches provide more information than vigging. I really don't see how informative a mastina lynch would be if she's a 3p, which was why she was being waggoned. Outside of that, I'm not arguing semantics with you.
Same thing with the 3p claim and why I'm against lynching her. I've given my reasons. Why is wanting to test a verifiable claim of a neutral 3p scum motivated, especially when it could tell us who is town and who is scum?
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Alright big boy time, some of you guys are letting Bulbazek get away with pushing some truly mind boggling and anti-town agendas while knowing full well that he has knowledge he hasn't displayed in the main thread that means he's straight up lying and trying to get town to waste their resources. If you guys aren't going to call him out, I'm going to call you out.
PT: mastina, Bulbazak, Penguinpower, Gamma Emerald, aristophanes
mastina claims 3p instantly
Bulbazek asks the general neighborhood to give him money for the night phase
Bulbazek immediately starts buttering up to mastina, and asking for her reads, and trying to get her money before she gets lynched
Bulbazek points out that the vote count won't result in a lynch on mastina (allegedly)
mastina claims to have bought the bulletproof vest
mastina says she cannot win while dead
Bulbazek says that the neighborhood should keep the fact that mastina has the bp a secret
Penguinpower agrees with the above
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In the main thread:
Bulbazek tells people to vig mastina instead of lynching her, and makes up reasons for why it's better for town to shoot her instead of lynching her, while knowing that she has a bp
Bulbazek says that only town would shoot at mastina
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Bulbazek says that if anyone gets a vig shot, shoot Enter
Penguinpower claims to have bought spike kool-aid
Bulbazek posts a read list that is pretty wild - He can share it if he wants, I won't
Aristophanes asks for people to send him money
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Penguinpower, Aristophanes, and Gamma Emerald:
Why did none of you point out that Bulbazek knew that mastina had a bp vest, but that he still asked for town to shoot her instead of lynching her?
Why did you guys keep mastina purchasing the bp vest a secret? She's not town, and Bulbazek argued that only town would shoot her.
Bulbazek:
Why did you continue to keep the bp vest a secret, while thinking there was scum in the neighborhood?
Penguinpower:
Why do you claim to have bought spiked kool-aid after having learned that it does nothing? Your points are now unaccountable, and you could grab something like the vig or ninja for nefarious purposes while pretending you wasted your points on spiked kool-aid, and there would be no way to prove it either way.
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mastina, I'm not willing to listen to your reads this game because you clearly have a built-in role bias for wanting to keep certain members, such as Bulbazek, alive - as they're hard siding with you. Whereas pine is a road block for you, but that doesn't mean he's a good lynch for US, and I can't believe anything you say because you clearly want him dead for other reason.
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Bulbazek is coming across to me as "too scummy to be scum" - he really pulled that when his neighborhood has 5 people talking in it. mastina is one of those, but still, what about the other 3? They should have called him out on that.
Ari is still acting like the neighborhood is all town.
Gamma just showed where they are leaning, and I don't like it. I even quoted it for him and he didn't seem interested in answering at all.
Penguin has multiple strikes against him.
I'll vote for Ari or Penguin right now.
VOTE: Penguinpower