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In post 537, Almost50 wrote:No, and that's not my question. Now that I know you know me, so I am asking why -with your knowledge of my play- you find me scummy. When people don't know me they tend to SR me for my posting style anyway, and I've made peace with that fact. It's those who know me whom I find a bit strange to SR me for my posting style.

In post 545, Marksman wrote:@Elements - Why do you think he's town, and what's suspcious about Hayasaka/I putting him on D-1?

In post 514, Lavender wrote:This game is going well o.O
Though, I didn't contribute orz

In post 421, Almost50 wrote:

In post 376, Casey wrote:@Almost50: Your votes are on the most sane person here, the ESL guy who I swear I thought you said was town and is NOT in your #328, and your only comment on hellbooks as far as I can tell is that he's mafia if someone else flips mafia.

Your vote on Wey is good at least. One out of four ain't bad.

Who is ESL?

My votes were on hellbook, Marks, WLC & Nono.

I am voting hb for inconsistencies and vague postings (agreeing to a TR on someone w/o elaborating what exactly they agree). mainly check my 329, 330 & 331. Nobody said anything about it being a conditional read!!!

I was voting Marks mainly for his vote on IV with the remark that we needed to eliminate/dunk someone ASAP.

I voted Nono for the vote on IV too, plus every other post of theirs just rubs me the wrong way (take the "I wanna hammer" troll for instance, or their vote on me in 368, just off the top of my head)

Finally, WLC I was voting for what appears to me now as a clash in playstyles. I also had assumed he was much more experienced than he really is (although if we go just by total post count he's look like 4-5 times as experienced as you are, adespite the fact you both have really old accounts)

Also, in my 328 I said I was sus of how the wagon on IV was building, but it was not the sole/main reason for me to vote anyone. It was just a pool I'd be digging into (more of a self-reminder, if you will).

Other than that I still don't know who ESL is, and I did not vote anyone outside these 4.

In post 399, Almost50 wrote:

In post 257, WeyounsLastClone wrote:

In post 253, Marksman wrote:Bus means voting/pushing for a scum partner. I think you mean just being opportunistic in general.

Ah, okay, thanks; I misremembered then, thought it was werewolf/mafia jumping in last minute to lynch with fellow scum.

Um... I've just checked your topics. Did you really stop playing since 2012? Is this your first game in 8 years?? Geez! I seem to ALWAYS have a playstyle clash with the "old guard", so..

UNVOTE: WLC until I can figure you out.

In post 529, Almost50 wrote: @casey: You said you'd unvote when I've "earned it". What would it take for me to earn it?

In post 526, Chemical Elements wrote:Don't you remember the conversation we had several days ago where you were saying what else could he possibly have meant and I thought that he might have not even suspected those slots given his use of the word many instead of all but didn't say so because I didn't want to give him an answer to Marksman's question?

In post 525, Chemical Elements wrote:Yes. My hypothesis is that no scum are on the wagon. To test the hypothesis, we could dunk two people that are not on the wagon. If both of them flips town, the hypothesis is wrong. If one of them flip scum, we continue to dunk more people who were off the wagon, I guess. If the two we dunk turn out to be town, I don't know what to do.

In post 540, Elements wrote:UNVOTE: isis
Why are people voting spicer?
they have one post.

In post 556, Hiraki wrote:

In post 526, Chemical Elements wrote:Don't you remember the conversation we had several days ago where you were saying what else could he possibly have meant and I thought that he might have not even suspected those slots given his use of the word many instead of all but didn't say so because I didn't want to give him an answer to Marksman's question?

I am not following this at all. Can you quote please?

In post 123, Chemical Elements wrote:

In post 122, Hiraki wrote:

In post 116, Chemical Elements wrote:How did you know what type of answer he would have given?

Because there literally is no other reason. It is a yes or no question where if you answer "Pineapples" as an answer, it doesn't make any sense. So congrats, if Wey comes in here and decides to tell us that he's voting them because a Pineapple told him, you've proven me wrong. Instead, I'm going to actually read the game where the three haven't posted and realize that he is voting them because they haven't posted and suspicion is a bad word. But

again

that is missing the point that Marksman didn't even think this far and just saw the word "suspicion", latched onto it because there is nothing to be suspicious of, and set-up a "GOTCHA!" based on the fact that this is clearly the situation. But again - I know you think that Wey is going to come in and say Pineapples for some reason still.

However, that isn't the only answer he could have given. He could have came back and said that I found them suspicious because (I actually have thought of something, but I, unlike you, am going to wait if he actually says this).
These are only a few samples from

In post 122, Hiraki wrote:

In post 118, Marksman wrote:They're not "suspicious" for not posting. I am voting to pressure them. You telling me you've never voted someone you're null reading or even townreading them to motivate them to post more?

Perfect - there it is. You're now questioning him based on verbiage rather than intent? That is a terrible way of scumhunting, if you are genuine.

In post 118, Marksman wrote:For me, being suspicious of someone means you dislike them for specific reasons. Maybe it's because Wey thinks scum are more likely to lurk start of game. Or maybe it was an oversight from scum!Wey and he gave reasoning without thinking about first. I asked him the question to solve him. You needleslly stepped in and answered for him. That's scummy.

What ANSWER does he give other than "they didn't post yet"???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

In post 118, Marksman wrote:You needleslly stepped in and answered for him. That's scummy.

Yes, I helped him cheat on the exam. The question? What is 2 + 2?

In post 124, Hiraki wrote:THEY DIDN'T POST ANYTHING, WHAT ELSE COULD HE BE SUSPICIOUS OF?

In post 99, Hiraki wrote:

In post 97, Marksman wrote:Wey said he found them suspicious. I'm not saying they're suspicious, I'm voting to pressure them to post. Clear difference.

In post 88, WeyounsLastClone wrote:Mostly due to the help with vote count,

and general participation.

Must take a rocket scientist, I guess.

In post 100, Marksman wrote:What? That was his explanation for finding ChemElem town. Nothing to do with the 3 names I voted. Read it again?

In post 88, WeyounsLastClone wrote:

In post 87, Marksman wrote:
@Wey - Why Chemical Elements for proactive town?

Mostly due to the help with vote count, and general participation. I guess post #66 could/should have included reasoning, but it included most names that I found/find suspicious as well, so maybe in my head helped me think of him as town.

In post 556, Hiraki wrote:

In post 525, Chemical Elements wrote:Yes. My hypothesis is that no scum are on the wagon. To test the hypothesis, we could dunk two people that are not on the wagon. If both of them flips town, the hypothesis is wrong. If one of them flip scum, we continue to dunk more people who were off the wagon, I guess. If the two we dunk turn out to be town, I don't know what to do.

So you've now left mafia up to a betting game?

In post 556, Hiraki wrote:

In post 540, Elements wrote:UNVOTE: isis
Why are people voting spicer?
they have one post.

Correct- which is why I asked sell me and got a nice little "why would you ask that lol??"

In post 557, Chemical Elements wrote:This is a small sample of the times we spent together a long time ago. By the way, in looking for those posts, the following posts caught my eye.

In post 557, Chemical Elements wrote:You bet that this player is the scum

In post 557, Chemical Elements wrote:If they win the bet, they get a slight advantage if they manage to place some more correct bets. If they are wrong, they bet again.

In post 552, Isis wrote:

In post 514, Lavender wrote:This game is going well o.O
Though, I didn't contribute orz

VOTE: Lavender
VOTE: Hayasaka
UNVOTE: Almost50
UNVOTE: Chemical Elements

I don't want to find and quote A50 but this should serve as an answer. I like how the second group is reacting to the scumflip better than the first group, generally.

I think Nono is town. If Nono knew Clone was a partner, I think he would have had his vote off Clone so he could hammer. Nono doesn't seem like he'd restrict himself the straightest of play.

In post 543, Elements wrote:

In post 542, Elements wrote:[vote[hayasaka[/vote]
VOTE: marksman

@mod would you mind correcting this

In post 560, Ruby Red wrote:

In post 543, Elements wrote:

In post 542, Elements wrote:[vote[hayasaka[/vote]
VOTE: marksman

@mod would you mind correcting this

No, just make another post.

In post 226, WeyounsLastClone wrote:Glad to see almost everyone posted thoughts. I wish I could be as coherent as some of you with your thoughts and analyses, my mind goes all places reading the different interactions and suspicions. But I'll give it a stab anyway:

Thinking town
Marksman - lot of content, and while that's not necessarily townie, I think he posts valid thoughts (although sometimes making mountains out of molehills, but that might be just my opinion ) and keep things going
Casey - Starting the game late, but brings the heat and some decent posts with interesting analysis
Chemical Elements - not to rehash the whole discussion again, but the initial posts and help with vote counts gave me a town-vibe. But slipping more towards neutral, not sure if post 101 was serious or trying to get more votes on innocent

Either way
Hellbooks - initially thought she was trying to create chaos and leaning scum, but I guess that's her way of posting. and it's funny, which always helps
Hiraki - A bit hit and miss, sometimes slightly opportunistic, but happy he understood my post that caused the stir.
Isis - started to post a lot, then a bit less (or it could have been night, not sure where she's from). Felt maybe a bit too serious from the start.
Lavender - Could be a real confused townie, but could be an excuse as well. Not sure as scum why you'd post stuff like that, but as town you could easily read the thread and see them both posting. If it was just uncertainty who to vote for I could understand, but ChemElement/Elements has been addressed even before.
Hayasaka - Maybe I don't trust her as she's voting for me, but not sure I follow her reasoning in initial posts 131 and 132
Elements - Opportunistic vote on Casey, don't get much from the other posts made

Leaning scum
Nono - Still find his posts non-coherent, and then goes V/LA
spicer1209 - with lack of posts, need something more than that initial post. Want to read his thoughts before putting actual vote in though.

I really don't know about innocentvillager anymore. Voting for just everyone still doesn't sit well with me, but actually the way he interacted after that and updated his suspicions seemed quite town.

Unvote: innocentvillager

waiting for content:

Vote: ileileile

Hope I didn't miss anyone

In post 562, Elements wrote:VOTE: hayasaka

In post 439, Elements wrote:I think A50 is town

In post 541, Elements wrote:also why are people voting a50 so readily?

In post 551, Elements wrote:

In post 545, Marksman wrote:@Elements - Why do you think he's town, and what's suspcious about Hayasaka/I putting him on D-1?

neither you or hayasaka were voting for the scum flip and then you voted

a50 who I think is town

In post 555, Elements wrote: VOTE: a50

In post 563, Casey wrote:

In post 226, WeyounsLastClone wrote: Elements: Wey says clearly that Elements placed an

opportunistic

vote on me. Yet Elements isn't even leaning scum for that? Red flag here.

Biggest takeaway from this is Elements is mafia.

In post 569, Marksman wrote:

@Ruby Red

- Is Spicer being replaced?