Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Isis]

Spare Votecount 1.6

Hectic--------------------------

Elements-----------------------

Chara---------------------------

(2) Chara, catboi

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(2) PookyTheMagicalBear, Elements

catboi--------------------------

(1) Hectic, Morning Tweet

Morning Tweet----------------

(1) Tayl0r Swift

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

redtea --------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

(1) CantLynchAPuppy

Not sparing:

- (4) Prism, Lavender, redtea, Tanner

Fight Votecount 1.6

Hectic--------------------------

(2) Tayl0r Swift, Prism

Elements-----------------------

(2) CantLynchAPuppy, Chara

Chara---------------------------

(1) redtea

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(3) Hectic, catboi, Tanner

catboi--------------------------

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

(1) Morning Tweet

Lavender ----------------------

redtea --------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

(1) Elements

Not Fighting:

- (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender

Morning Tweet was alarmed by the ball of fire swinging through the air. She was unfamiliar with her wings but she swooped and flapped to dodge out of the way of it, her evasions somewhat easier since she was not the intended target.
As she tried to focus on her balance, she felt her inner ear being cut open by an unreal, feline shriek.
"EAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!"
Tayl0r Swift was running around in a tight circle, crying an earsplitting scream as a reaction to all the fire.
"This is.. I'm going to have a headache." Morning Tweet thought to herself.
She fluttered over to the screeching kitty, and used her wings to billow some of the lingering smoke into her open mouth. "You just.. need to take a special nap. Ok?" Morning Tweet explained, as a master of slumber. Of course, Tayl0r Swift couldn't hear, because she was screaming. Soon her screaming became more tolerable as it began to dampen into coughing.

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With 12 alive and unspared, it takes 7 votes to make a decision.
The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-09-13 23:27:24)

[Prism]

Yesterday I more wanted to take a break/give others a chance, but I'm pretty tired today since I'm in the process of fixing my sleep schedule. Not really down to read/think right now, will try to tomorrow, but some shorter notes before then. redtea really going to bat for me is +town imo.

catboi townreading me is probably never going to happen, more confused by his TR on Morning Tweet. I didn't really like their early game and I remember finding

I followed along in SIN and this is a similar but more confident redtea. This makes sense given the townwin that resulted and the paranoia that crept into their thinking at the end over the more straightforward obvscum.

[Prism]

Like the shocking thing to catboi about my read on him to begin with was that I was willing to say "eh, fuck it I'll dart throw on gut" and not just leaving him null until the end of time

I also didn't want to nip the townreads on us for mech in the bud too early, I really wanted the content/reactions-and I think redtea's validates this-but now I'm fine saying I think we both out the strat here as scum as long as one of us is town

I remember thinking Pooky is fine, around the time of my last posts I was also skeptical of him overplaying the spare but I don't really think that's the case anymore

also want to hear more from cat about Hectic who I still scumread

[Prism]

I didn't really like their early game and I remember finding the wall lackluster but I'll read it again later

didn't finish the sentence lmao

[catboi]

also want to hear more from cat about Hectic who I still scumread

This is pending an answer from Chara with regard to the question I asked about Hectic, sorry. I understand your misgivings, though.

[Prism]

I just saw your review of me, I was already thinking I'd vote Hectic in 221, but I didn't want to put Hectic on guard before he answered my question. A couple of answers that I really didn't like later and it was time to ramp up the pressure/step on his neck if he's scum, no longer any reason to hold off.

[Hectic]

-that i'm confident she's town. She's hard towntelling this game and I'd bet the game on her being town
(i have a towntell on her which has so far been very accurate - i'm not going to reveal what it is because it is too valuable)

HEAL: Morning Tweet

[Hectic]

-everyone in the game?
just like whatever you remember for each person. thoughts and feels if you have nothing else for people is fine
thanks, pal!

[Morning Tweet]

-that i'm confident she's town. She's hard towntelling this game and I'd bet the game on her being town
(i have a towntell on her which has so far been very accurate - i'm not going to reveal what it is because it is too valuable)

HEAL: Morning Tweet

wtf already?

(¬ω¬) hmmmm

[Hectic]

[catboi]

]
Sure, hit me.

Okay!

It started with Chara's observation in 160 that elements is talking about sparing, but isn't really looking for spares. Like, he still isn't, btw, he's just sort of moved on since everyone is over sparing. But where's the passion, does he look like he's trying to town hunt at all?

Ok that was old stuff but then there's my argument (?) With him around 196. He sort of decides that my asking about spares is scummy. Uh...? He doesn't posit why this is scummy, he just asserts that I'm "changing my tune" and after a respectable distance he parks his vote on me (and hasn't done anything with it?)

Maybe this is weak but it's only D1 and I'm fine with this read and would wagon him for it

He had an issue with you agreeing that fighting today was correct but then humoring hectic about who he would spare, I believe. I don't terribly want to answer for him but if that's what he was saying I see why he said it. Definitely disengaged but I suspect he's a strange player in terms of playstyle?

Hectic - Town
Elements - Town
Chara - null
Prism - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - chara
catboi - town
Morning Tweet - town
Tayl0r Swift - eh
Lavender - who?
redtea - eh
Tanner - scum
CantLynchAPuppy - scum

I am amused and delighted that your scumreads are primarily the people who suspect you.

[catboi]

I just saw your review of me, I was already thinking I'd vote Hectic in 221, but I didn't want to put Hectic on guard before he answered my question. A couple of answers that I really didn't like later and it was time to ramp up the pressure/step on his neck if he's scum, no longer any reason to hold off.

I respect the process.

[Hectic]

[Morning Tweet]

Redtea feels town, i like the post where they say his reads on catboi's townblock -- they feel Prism should replace them, and they have unique thoughts on everyone in the block (cat - town, tanner - neutral, me - tl)

Spoiler:

thanks isis! sorryr for not bolding

so genocide is just better right? at least to start? sparing has a 1/12 chance of just plain losing the game, fighting has a 1/12 chance of hitting the vengeful but that would help in the Zero spare route and even if we hit town we'll still be setting up more cop clears in the 1-3 route.

yeah, pretty sure killing is just better here. is that a meta-commentary on the game of mafia? we could chose to work together but always end up fighting instead. we could be loving and kind and caring, but... killing is just better anyways. uh, neat. kill on!

One to three : The mafia must choose an unspared player to be publicly investigated for each living mafia. Skip night 4. Return spared players to the game thread. If mafia was spared, the mafia immediately wins if two of its players survive the day 5 decision.
Zero : The mafia must choose two players to be publicly investigated. If Chara was fought, the mafia must choose everyone. Skip night 4.

I think 1-3 could be better in one or two cases. 0 is better if chara gets fought, but 1-3 is better if no scum get eliminated (though that would depend on chara living which is unlikely?) Hm, maybe 0 spares straight up is better

i kind of really want sparing to work, but i just don't think it does

how do you figure that sparing works best in the first two days? that's also when we could spare chara and that's an autoloss. if you spare early you also increase the risk of the chara surviving

also though

hectic who would you spare right now

hm. how would we agree on who gets nominated?

also i was thinking about spares again. i forgot why we gave up on them. i know it's unlikely that we'll spare correctly 4 times in a row, but is the 4 spare ending really that bad? say there's one scum in finale, wouldn't that be pretty good odds with strong town players? or would paranoia + no flips be too much to overcome?

Anyone want to apologise for hurting me for saying puppy was changing their tune?

I think only that last post really qualifies. i'll give u a half apology if that helps

im half sorry

also because I don't exactly TR you

wow, I feel like my reads are completely the opposite to everyone elses

Maybe this is a towny post. maybe, maybe

@ Elements read post

Why is Tanner scum in your eyes? Also isn't Pooky being Chara sort of a cop out guess. I don't know how to explain it but if Pooky is Chara that just seems like a really bad way of going about it lol

[Hectic]

-be able to withstand much weight, so pressure away.

[Morning Tweet]

one of them should be pooky
one of them should be me
one of them should be hectic

btw this post is why i think elements is chara.

he very conveniently puts himself in the middle of the order - he can't be last because he'd die on D3 - so it's a sneaky middle of the pack insert - he doesn't put himself first because he's a very sneaky chara.

This is like conspiracy theory level reasoning in my opinion

NotChara Elements would like, need to convince us that he's towny somehow. Simply asking to be heavened is a terrible strategy.

If he put himself second with the purpose of subliminally suggesting we spare him second, that means he actually believes that saying "one of them should be me" gives him a greater chance of being heavened or somehow helps him get to heaven. doesnt really make that much sense to me

[Hectic]

[Prism]

if you say so, but imo it seems to me like you realized you were reacting poorly and decided that the best way of handling it would just be to see if I'll latch onto someone else in time or wind up shouting in the wind

not even trying to read me in return is the telling part of this imo

[Prism]

Alright I shouldn't keep lazily halfassing posts, I'll be in tomorrow or later today if I get the energy

[Hectic]

one of them should be pooky
one of them should be me
one of them should be hectic

btw this post is why i think elements is chara.

he very conveniently puts himself in the middle of the order - he can't be last because he'd die on D3 - so it's a sneaky middle of the pack insert - he doesn't put himself first because he's a very sneaky chara.

This is like conspiracy theory level reasoning in my opinion

NotChara Elements would like, need to convince us that he's towny somehow. Simply asking to be heavened is a terrible strategy.

If he put himself second with the purpose of subliminally suggesting we spare him second, that means he actually believes that saying "one of them should be me" gives him a greater chance of being heavened or somehow helps him get to heaven. doesnt really make that much sense to me

-still kidding around or serious about his Elements-

Chara

read.

It's the same deal with his 544, like he's assuming Elements is listing out a scumteam there with associatives, rather than listing independent scumreads. How serious are those posts, Pooky?

[Morning Tweet]

Also I think taylor still talking spares is null, maybe she's just stubborn? There are a few players I'd like to see reads from more than setup spec (looking at you pooky :( ) and you're maybe tunneling on them tbh?

in case it wasnt clear, i was advocating that we fight

Okay, so who--

ok, who do you want to fight?

my lame take is that lavender is scummy for lurking. my spicy take is that puppy might be a good candidate to fight.

I believe some other people (cat) have been considering Puppy recently, so maybe your reasons are similar to theirs. but i'll ask anyway.

Are you interested in explaining more details of why you think Puppy is a good fight, or at least perhaps voting for Puppy?

Another reminder for myself to actually read thru puppys posts

[catboi]

I bet Chara and Tanner and prolly several ppl have made that point every 5 seconds but here I am rehashing it in the vain hopes it makes it clear to Pooky that we're taking the game on the path to murder and destruction and he needs to hop on board for now whether he agrees with it or not

alright if you want my super spicy guess on who the scum-team is.

I'd have to say:

Spoiler: Don't Click This!

Chara - Elements
Goon - Catboi
Goon - Tayl0rSwift

꒰*⑅˃̶͈ ৺˂̶͈⑅꒱੭ु⁾⁾·° This team loses the game literally 100% of the time based on the way I have played today alone, Lmao

one of them should be pooky
one of them should be me
one of them should be hectic

btw this post is why i think elements is chara.

he very conveniently puts himself in the middle of the order - he can't be last because he'd die on D3 - so it's a sneaky middle of the pack insert - he doesn't put himself first because he's a very sneaky chara.

Ah, the 400 post later callout. cunning genius elements suggests he get spared 2nd as chara, brilliant


I see pooky has changed his tune and started spouting BS when he finally faced real pressure, who could have seen that coming? (me)

[Hectic]

if you say so, but imo it seems to me like you realized you were reacting poorly and decided that the best way of handling it would just be to see if I'll latch onto someone else in time or wind up shouting in the wind

not even trying to read me in return is the telling part of this imo

some point, but for now, you're receiving a lazy gutread.

[CantHateAPuppy]

]
Sure, hit me.

Okay!

It started with Chara's observation in 160 that elements is talking about sparing, but isn't really looking for spares. Like, he still isn't, btw, he's just sort of moved on since everyone is over sparing. But where's the passion, does he look like he's trying to town hunt at all?

Ok that was old stuff but then there's my argument (?) With him around 196. He sort of decides that my asking about spares is scummy. Uh...? He doesn't posit why this is scummy, he just asserts that I'm "changing my tune" and after a respectable distance he parks his vote on me (and hasn't done anything with it?)

Maybe this is weak but it's only D1 and I'm fine with this read and would wagon him for it

He had an issue with you agreeing that fighting today was correct but then humoring hectic about who he would spare, I believe. I don't terribly want to answer for him but if that's what he was saying I see why he said it. Definitely disengaged but I suspect he's a strange player in terms of playstyle?

no, it's a fair question because hectic was talking about sparing but hadn't suggested anyone he'd wanted to spare. it's the same idea chara used to scumread elements that i sheeped onto. (no offense but did you actually read my posts lol)

[catboi]

I would probably not fight puppy today, I find some little things from him slightly townish now~ (=^‥^=)