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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:03 pm
by DkKoba
In post 545, Bingle wrote: In post 542, MathBlade wrote: In post 540, Bingle wrote:The suggestion was a natural d1 with a first right of refusal from an IC to swerve the elim if desired. For now, I think it's fair to say don't hammer until town parents have had a chance to weigh in and no claims before 24 hours remaining is fine.
Are you still of the opinion you have a solid tell on me Math?
What is up with both you and Koba saying I say tell when I don’t?
I don’t really follow the second two premises of your Punnet Square. They seem disconnected. I may just be being stupid intentionally *shrug*.. I thought it best to leave alone for now.
In the wake of Police Academy you had said you had a solid scumtell to use on me. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away (due to galactic drift), but I was wondering if you still have that opinion or not.
wrt the logic behind mislimming PB being a positive, it's an in joke. We had like 4 games in a row where I led a mislim on him and then we won for a completely unrelated reason. And also I may have modded a game where he got dayvigged before his first post.
This is a public Jingle alt, btw. not sure if you knew that.
was that dayvig game where marquis dayvigged scum immediately because i have read through a lot of games for meta in a few recent towngames
i remember that one game and it was funny bc it was a "rvs" dayvig lmfao
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:04 pm
by MathBlade
In post 548, Bingle wrote:
We're playing the game multiple times, and there's only a chance that this is the one that matters. No one knows, other than knowing which game number they submitted to be the "Real Game" and so saving setup spec to obfuscate but bringing it up in what is likely not a game that needs to be won seems iffy at best to me.
The real game? What are you talking about? I am just playing to win.
Are some people not?
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:04 pm
by Bingle
I think MB is moonlogicking right now, but I also think
VOTE: Koba
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:05 pm
by Bingle
In post 1, Errantparabola wrote:- only the last iteration of this game will count. however, since it is secret, any iteration of the game may be the last, even the first.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:06 pm
by MathBlade
In post 545, Bingle wrote: In post 542, MathBlade wrote: In post 540, Bingle wrote:The suggestion was a natural d1 with a first right of refusal from an IC to swerve the elim if desired. For now, I think it's fair to say don't hammer until town parents have had a chance to weigh in and no claims before 24 hours remaining is fine.
Are you still of the opinion you have a solid tell on me Math?
What is up with both you and Koba saying I say tell when I don’t?
I don’t really follow the second two premises of your Punnet Square. They seem disconnected. I may just be being stupid intentionally *shrug*.. I thought it best to leave alone for now.
In the wake of Police Academy you had said you had a solid scumtell to use on me. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away (due to galactic drift), but I was wondering if you still have that opinion or not.
wrt the logic behind mislimming PB being a positive, it's an in joke. We had like 4 games in a row where I led a mislim on him and then we won for a completely unrelated reason. And also I may have modded a game where he got dayvigged before his first post.
This is a public Jingle alt, btw. not sure if you knew that.
Interesting indeed. Jingle jingle.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:07 pm
by Bingle
I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:07 pm
by Bingle
In post 550, DkKoba wrote:was that dayvig game where marquis dayvigged scum immediately because i have read through a lot of games for meta in a few recent towngames
Nah, it was a micro where scummastina dayvigged PB in literally the first post of the game. It was beautiful.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:08 pm
by DkKoba
In post 549, MathBlade wrote: In post 547, DkKoba wrote:having a clear decide a lim has never been anti town lol
i have a lot of experience with open setups from playing on epicmafia and optimal strategy has nearly always been narrowed down to a clear claiming at some point and/or a cc happening.
this is open setup philosophy 101.
Lol I’ve probably been playing mafia longer than you’ve been alive (or close to it).
Once a clear happens yes, they decide the elim.
However forcing said clear is a problem.
You need to go back to open 101. No claiming without provocation.
thats semi open/closed game philosophy.
open games depend fully on the setup but overall clears are preferred to lead. with a player at the table that is vulnerable to dying and taking 2 more people with them, effectively shoving us into lylo. it is preferable to do the +EV thing and prevent that player from being forced to claim
you really do sound like you want to keep the possibility of the town child being forced to claim an open possibility.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:08 pm
by MathBlade
In post 555, Bingle wrote:I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.
Oh I am just playing to win all the games.
If I happen to win two lose last I am counting it as winning two losing one.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:09 pm
by DkKoba
In post 555, Bingle wrote:I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.
same. im more interested in mechs in these first 2 game and im going to start being worried in iteration 3 onwards, thats where the danger zone starts to come into play i feel. i feel like 3-5 is where we will fall wrt final game.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:10 pm
by DkKoba
In post 558, MathBlade wrote: In post 555, Bingle wrote:I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.
Oh I am just playing to win all the games.
If I happen to win two lose last I am counting it as winning two losing one.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:10 pm
by Pink Ball
In post 545, Bingle wrote:And also I may have modded a game where he got dayvigged before his first post.
My revenge will be sweet as hell.
Do me a solid and be town this game please.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:10 pm
by DkKoba
what happened to mini normal 2179 math? i want that math here right now
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:11 pm
by Bingle
Ah. I have a bell curve I've decided on to model how much I think a game is likely to matter. Game 1 was almost impossible to be the real game, and the game I submitted is my peak. I will of course be adjusting as games end, but guessing who would choose what game is also interesting to me so I'm taking that as as much of the setup as the actual setup.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:12 pm
by DkKoba
im still sad i forgot to submit my number, which would have been 7.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:14 pm
by DkKoba
In post 552, Bingle wrote:I think MB is moonlogicking right now, but I also think
VOTE: Koba
i think i know why but i wont press the matter
gonna keep playing normally and see if i need to come back to this and question it further
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:14 pm
by MathBlade
In post 557, DkKoba wrote: In post 549, MathBlade wrote: In post 547, DkKoba wrote:having a clear decide a lim has never been anti town lol
i have a lot of experience with open setups from playing on epicmafia and optimal strategy has nearly always been narrowed down to a clear claiming at some point and/or a cc happening.
this is open setup philosophy 101.
Lol I’ve probably been playing mafia longer than you’ve been alive (or close to it).
Once a clear happens yes, they decide the elim.
However forcing said clear is a problem.
You need to go back to open 101. No claiming without provocation.
thats semi open/closed game philosophy.
open games depend fully on the setup but overall clears are preferred to lead. with a player at the table that is vulnerable to dying and taking 2 more people with them, effectively shoving us into lylo. it is preferable to do the +EV thing and prevent that player from being forced to claim
you really do sound like you want to keep the possibility of the town child being forced to claim an open possibility.
Overall clears are no one. Once a role is outed it is a clear. Roles should be kept secret until a majority is assured. I am sorry you want to expose the child to an NK.
Your wording style I can throw back at you all day. It’s boring and anti productive. If you consider town parent claims clear then you’d have asked at the start. What it feels like to me is that you’re aiming to try to claim town parent as scum and steer the elim or suspect out a CC on the parent and then kill the TC.
This claim idea is bad until D2 for that reason.
I didn’t want to say because then it coaches scum.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:15 pm
by Pink Ball
Ok I'm here. Koba do people call you Koba, DK, what's your preference? Same question Math, I'm calling you Math 'cause you remind me of Dino but maybe MB is better for you
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:15 pm
by Pink Ball
CAKEZ YOU FUCKING ALIEN I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:16 pm
by DkKoba
"im sorry you want to expose the child to a NK"
lol?
i think like bingle said u are using moonlogic
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:16 pm
by MathBlade
In post 567, Pink Ball wrote:Ok I'm here. Koba do people call you Koba, DK, what's your preference? Same question Math, I'm calling you Math 'cause you remind me of Dino but maybe MB is better for you
I go by either as long as it’s not she. (I am a trans man for context.) And dino and I are vastly different.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:16 pm
by DkKoba
In post 567, Pink Ball wrote:Ok I'm here. Koba do people call you Koba, DK, what's your preference? Same question Math, I'm calling you Math 'cause you remind me of Dino but maybe MB is better for you
whatever u choose as long as it isnt he or she
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:17 pm
by MathBlade
In post 569, DkKoba wrote:"im sorry you want to expose the child to a NK"
lol?
i think like bingle said u are using moonlogic
Does it matter if you’re scum caught for the wrong or right reasons you’re still caught.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:18 pm
by Pink Ball
To both of you: I'm aware of that and I've learned to pay a lot of attention to the pronoun of your preference since I'm not a native english speaker and I get it wrong sometimes because of lack of experience, so don't worry!
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:18 pm
by DkKoba
In post 572, MathBlade wrote: In post 569, DkKoba wrote:"im sorry you want to expose the child to a NK"
lol?
i think like bingle said u are using moonlogic
Does it matter if you’re scum caught for the wrong or right reasons you’re still caught.
when the "wrong reasons" start piling up its pretty blatant that im town but sure go off