In post 537, MathBlade wrote:Why would scum want me a let’s be generous and say below average player like me dead?
Free miselimination is a free miselimination
That’s what I said. That’s why towards the end (Eg Dunn and Cakez although not voting saying meltdown) are more likely scum than not mason LLD and Prism.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:37 am
by penguin_alien
Prodding GreyICE
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:38 am
by Titus
In post 539, quiet wrote:I'm also feeling a bit of dejavu on Math/Titus; I've heard the "math is acting bad and/or scummy but I think they're town, be better or I policy you" argument before almost verbatim.
Guilty. As a result that game, we got no scum eliminated. I had the other three I was willing to compromise on at some point. The thread wanted Math. We never could work together.
Three of Dunny's four posts have been low effort nitpicks, and the other was a mechanics question that I didn't understand. 174 specifically doesn't sound like something town says, questioning specific players about their sangres read is one thing but shading everyone town reading them without explanation is useless. It reminds me of Titus vs. Alisae when I caught him for similar shady, nitpicky posting where he'd lurk and post full quote-wall catch ups taking potshots at random shit that never ended up forming into genuine reads or having real progression.
And while I've been scum in my three recently completed games, Dunn has been town in all of them and he it was obvious from his first few posts. That's not the case here.
Maybe I'm calling this out too early and it would have been better to see how he continues to play the game without my interference but I kinda want to try and this is me trying
In post 484, quiet wrote:After reading 8-20 this morning, I'd be a lot more interested in sheeping Spiffeh+SirCakez on Dunn vs. elimming Math this afternoon.
Still struggling really hard with my time management at the moment, but I'm hopeful about carve out a few hours this evening to focus on the game.
I am...rather happy the artifact went to LLD over Prism.
@Dunnstral, it appears possible in the rules for some characters to have started with an artifact, ahead of the N0 distribution.
I like Spiff, +SirCakez for the Dunn read and follow up, and I think SirCakez has been generally driving the game forward. With Spiffeh, I appreciate the willingness to TR Math and express discomfort with that wagon; I'm not all the way there yet on Math, but that's at least twice now they've posted something I thought was rather useful + aligned with how I'm reading the game.
I like Bell probably a lot more than I should at this point, this is almost entirely off of vibe and I don't know how well I'll be able to justify this read.
I like sangres, I like Tammy. Kitty Truama can also hang out in my town pile. LLD something something artifact claim something.
So as usual, I'm townbucketing way too many people; if I had to pick a few I feel strongest on, Spiff, SirCakez, sangres for weird reasons. I should put LDD here, but in the absence of the claim stuff, I wouldn't have TRed them personally.
I think those are most or all of the standouts at this point. I'm enjoying aggressive/abrasive Prism, but I don't like it just yet. Bjork + LLD confirmed to own artifacts at this point, that should make for an interesting night.
In terms of negatives, besides following the logic on Dunn, who I like as a vote because it helps resolve 1.65 townies (though I'll be paying attention to how many people seem willing to jump on that wagon real quick, myself included), and who I'm interested to see in the context of pressure on them (pedit: I want to think harder about the couple of posts Dunn has posted while I was writing this up):
I've gotten really no feelings from Pooky other than that damn avatar being a clear AtE and clouding my judgment, I just never know how to sort Titus, every system I've heard presented in prev. games has worked out terribly for the town I've been in, from context, it seems that BM picks up sus early in the game pretty regularly, but I havn't seen any townpings there yet, have a few spots even lurkier than mine which is a method of reading I'm not too keen on, and that about covers the field.
Still pretty slammed today, but I'm committed to carving out that time late tonight; order of operations will be trying to break up/sort out my town pile into some kind of sensible grouping/order, figure out who doesn't make sense in combination, and review the positioning around Math and Prism this morning. VOTE: Dunnstral
In post 461, SirCakez wrote:A Math wagon is really boring and unhelpful
Join this one instead!
No.
Why not?
Joke answer: Because he's my scum partner.
Actual answer: I've made a similar case on Dunnstral before and he was town in that game. I'm not going to say he's town in this one, but I'm more cautious about it and it seems like scum are pretty happy to vote Dunnstrall, but not Mathblade.
In post 563, Bell wrote:seems like scum are pretty happy to vote Dunnstrall, but not Mathblade.
Name names please
Pretty sure Bell is town here Spiffeh.
I have spicy reasons I shouldn’t say.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:22 am
by Titus
Smh
I think almost any wagon on Mathblade is town driven tbh. That doesn't say anything about his alignment. Math has trouble playing well with others which gets him wagoned frequently regardless of his alignment.
When people do try to work with him, he fails to see it unless it's on his reads and in his own time. That means he struggles to get wagons.
Then add in his hyperposting habits which focus attention on him...well...
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:23 am
by Bell
Though, it would make sense for her to be less willing to go to bat for Math since she spent two full games defending him when he was scum (for the purposes of honesty I will note both times she did klll her brother with her own hands..eventually)
I don't think a policy elimination is even close to warranted for Math. I just think he's scum. He's not a true negative presence in games (on the other hand, I don't policy eliminate anyone, so).
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:26 am
by Battle Mage
"for the purposes of honesty"?
early wagon on math is town indicative as scum prob doesn't bus math Day 1.
In post 563, Bell wrote:seems like scum are pretty happy to vote Dunnstrall, but not Mathblade.
Name names please
It really depends whether Dunn is scum or not. I don't think his reactions are too out of sorts with his current town meta.
I've felt Titus was off from the beginning of the game. Rather, she seemed kinda happy and I know she wanted to roll scum this game, but that's town so meh. I'm not in love with it. I have a lot of mixed reads.
@Dunnstrall, why did you mean you read me loud and clear btw? I literally had not idea what you were referring to.
Also, I didn't give Spiffeh a town read, I said it was refreshing from Spiffy that he didn't just copy paste his posts for once.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:26 am
by MathBlade
In post 571, Bell wrote:Though, it would make sense for her to be less willing to go to bat for Math since she spent two full games defending him when he was scum (for the purposes of honesty I will note both times she did klll her brother with her own hands..eventually)
I don't think a policy elimination is even close to warranted for Math. I just think he's scum. He's not a true negative presence in games (on the other hand, I don't policy eliminate anyone, so).
I get your read Bell. I just think you’re wrong about me. I keep my meta similar to avoid trust tells and have been working on improving it and have done a good job at doing so. (See where I replaced into masons twice) I just think Titus is working under old me meta and it sucks. I am actually cooperative as any alignment now.
