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Why those 2?

In post 542, Pearofclubs wrote:

In post 533, VFP wrote: Marci scum makes NM town

What makes you say that? Curious, since I've had it the opposite for quite a while.
I feel like the unprovoked defense of N-M coupled with a case for pushing anyone who attacks him would make zero sense from scum!marci unless N-M was her partner.

Where did marci defennd nm?

In post 550, Not_Mafia wrote:Why those 2?

I don't like t3 trying to out jailkeep when it could easily be multiple things + their vote yesterday was stinky
I don't like vfps push on pearofclubs, it just seems like something hes doing to not get any blood on his hands, y'know?

In post 552, marcistar wrote:I don't like vfps push on pearofclubs, it just seems like something hes doing to not get any blood on his hands, y'know?

I agree on this one, VFP what's with the Pear push?

Looking at N_M's recent posting, there's a clear intent to associate with Marci, which I have no idea why town!N_M would do
I think Marci will flip town and N_M is scum and he's creating this link between them in order to gain towncred for tomorrow
I'd rather see N_M elimed today
N_M's been repeating Marci's ideas and agreeing with her, it feels like scum accepting a townie's defense of them in order to create a pair, which they will benefit from, since Marci would flip town, giving towncred, and since Marci initiated the pair, N_M doesn't look scummy from its existence
Sticking to the same set of scumreads Marci was pushing yesterday and passively siding with her without directly interacting is very scummy

In post 549, marcistar wrote:

In post 543, Pearofclubs wrote:What're your reads as of right now? It'll be good to have the information around, should you end up flipping green today- and even if you don't get elimmed, it'll be good to have your thoughts on the books before the days end.

How many votes am I at..? I'll claim if I need to, but i'm not sure if I need to now.. or if i should wait a bit longer..?

I think that t3 and vfp are scum.

I am still working my way through Day 1, so I would say maybe hold off a bit.

Speaking of, I don't know if my predecessor has a vote out, so UNVOTE: .

I'll touch base once I am through all of Day 1

marci is a strong player and something definitely seems off with her, but I don't know if it's because she's scum

In post 551, T3 wrote: Where did marci defennd nm?

Linked below. Norwee had proposed the notion that getting rid of N-M wouldn't be a bad idea since he's hard to read and tends to troll more than actually play (That being said, he's actually been contributing quite a bit...).

Is he getting meta with his trolling? When people start believing that he's just going to troll all game he starts contributing?
That'd be masterful

In post 30, marcistar wrote:

In post 27, NorwegianboyEE wrote:He is a troll. Confusing. Hammers wagons on E-1. Doesn’t explain his positions.
Lynchbait as town, obvscum as mafia. Destructive force of villainy.
Etc.

ahhh, so you hate him?

i kinda find his playstyle funny (tho its hard for me to make a decision on him, and others who play similar like that, i think.) I think if people who play in jestery playstyles like his get vote killed it's more likely to be a scum motivated wagon, tho idk how i would think about wagons on these types of players if they were scum.
so i find players like him useful if theyre townies

does it make sense..?

I promise I will get caught up today, but I am in another game that is 1.5 hours away from their deadline. I will be able to focus more on this one after that passes haha

In post 553, Not_Mafia wrote:VFP what's with the Pear push?

Deep wolf.

And you think day 2 when we stopped the kill n1 is time for a deep wolf push

In post 560, Not_Mafia wrote:And you think day 2 when we stopped the kill n1 is time for a deep wolf push

Of course. Pear is getting off lightly for ticking the scum boxes.
The fact they still haven't gone over iN3krO after 2 requests makes me think they just can't generate another fake read. 542 also shows that they are not reading the game as I already stated why you and Marci aren't scum together.

I'll vote betwen Pear, Marci, and Catboi at this point.

Marci is currently E1 (I think?) and I'll hammer if it comes to it but I want some input first since little has been said since I joined in.
At no point have I said I am limited to Pear only.

In post 561, VFP wrote:

In post 560, Not_Mafia wrote:And you think day 2 when we stopped the kill n1 is time for a deep wolf push

Of course. Pear is getting off lightly for ticking the scum boxes.
The fact they still haven't gone over iN3krO after 2 requests makes me think they just can't generate another fake read. 542

also shows that they are not reading the game as I already stated why you and Marci aren't scum together.

I'll vote betwen Pear, Marci, and Catboi at this point.

Marci is currently E1 (I think?) and I'll hammer if it comes to it but I want some input first since little has been said since I joined in.
At no point have I said I am limited to Pear only.

So what VFP is referring to is:

In post 533, VFP wrote:Meuh is always town here for me.
Marci lim works for me and I think we just win with Meuh, T3, and iN3krO as town here.

Marci scum makes NM town and iN3krO is plausibly the partner for 513

Marci town just means 2 scum in Pear, Catboi, and NM

A singular line linking to a singular post with no further explanation is honestly not something I think you should expect people to remember really? Tbh I forgot you even made that explanation in the first place, I think it's a stretch to imply Pear "isn't reading the game" for this.

VOTE: marci
Not sure when deadline is. VFP looking very towny.

In post 562, Meuh wrote:A singular line linking to a singular post with no further explanation is honestly not something I think you should expect people to remember really? Tbh I forgot you even made that explanation in the first place, I think it's a stretch to imply Pear "isn't reading the game" for this.

Well, this makes it seems that you didn't read my posts either.
501 is where I'm talking about.

In post 501, VFP wrote:NorwegianboyEE's wagon is never an all town wagon here.
So at least that rules out NM / marcistar.

For clarification.

In post 564, VFP wrote:

In post 562, Meuh wrote:A singular line linking to a singular post with no further explanation is honestly not something I think you should expect people to remember really? Tbh I forgot you even made that explanation in the first place, I think it's a stretch to imply Pear "isn't reading the game" for this.

Well, this makes it seems that you didn't read my posts either.
501 is where I'm talking about.

oops i need to spend more time rereading posts cause sometimes i really just don't absorb the information
it's like when you read a page of a book and afterwards you're like "what did i even just read?" and can barely explain it

In post 506, VFP wrote:Let me confirm, Pear is only ever over explaining posts when there's pressure to be judged on the side. And if you read their scum game there's a lot of simular posting from there to here.

Why do you see this game as similar to pear's scum game but not their town game? I looked at the two and I can't see any obvious differences at a glance. Obviously pear's reads haven't been great in my view but I don't know that it's scum making bad cases rather than wrong town who's just inexperienced

In post 563, T3 wrote:VOTE: marci
Not sure when deadline is. VFP looking very towny.

Deadline is just under 18 hours

We are at 3 votes on marci still and 1 on everyone else. I guess I'd swap to n_m as a secondary choice and third would be basically anyone else to achieve an elim.

I'm sorry for being inactive, I legit forgot how short newbie game deadlines are now compared to everything Else. A lot of the arguments being made now just don't do a whole lot for me. I do think VFP is probably townie.

In post 568, catboi wrote:

In post 563, T3 wrote:VOTE: marci
Not sure when deadline is. VFP looking very towny.

Deadline is just under 18 hours

With the extra 12 hours from the replacement, I think we're at ~30 hours

Meuh wrote:

In post 564, VFP wrote:

In post 562, Meuh wrote:A singular line linking to a singular post with no further explanation is honestly not something I think you should expect people to remember really? Tbh I forgot you even made that explanation in the first place, I think it's a stretch to imply Pear "isn't reading the game" for this.

Well, this makes it seems that you didn't read my posts either.
501 is where I'm talking about.

oops i need to spend more time rereading posts cause sometimes i really just don't absorb the information
it's like when you read a page of a book and afterwards you're like "what did i even just read?" and can barely explain it

To be fair, he wasn't exactly pointing you towards a lot of information. He was referring to this two line statement on the bottom of his read on me:

In post 501, VFP wrote: NorwegianboyEE's wagon is never an all town wagon here.
So at least that rules out NM / marcistar.

To be fair, I actually completely spaced out on that argument. It's an interesting theory, but it's not bulletproof.
Here comes some data!

The deadline for Day One Elim was 04/18 at 6:00 AM.
I posted that theory and my vote on Norwee at 04/15 at 4:16 PM.
That's two days, 13 hours, 44 minutes.
In that time, we have 6 posts from Marci, the last one being on 04/16 at 5:42 PM.
And 3 from N-M, between 3:52 - 54 PM on 04/16.
When both of them posted last, Norwee had two votes. It was before the wagon actually gained traction, and then they disappeared from the thread until day 2, brought on by T3's early hammer.

Not-Mafia was in fact active in other threads, though. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12711307 shows him posting on the 17th at 12:53 PM, an hour prior to the hammer. You're not telling me he didn't poke his head into a thread that's so close to the end of a day. (and I'm reading N-M like he's a normal player, because )

So, to recap real quick-
They both vanished from the thread before the wagon got any steam going. Maybe they just weren't around, maybe they were lurking. It's certainly possible they saw the wagon building and decided to let it happen. We didn't have anything better day one, so it might have passed from that heady combination of "it's our best shot" and "we don't want a noelim". There's no guarantee that it wasn't all town.

I wouldn't rule out that scumteam.

Okay, I have just reached the end of Day 1, and also saw that there was no kill during the night (!!) I plan on making a couple posts, first my general notes that I made just as I read through. Leaving all of them there, even if they chaged throughout my read of the day, just to share my general progression of thoughts.

Then I am going to highlight something that I think was actually a scumslip

Then I will share my over all read list of every player as of, the end of Day 1.

I would like to preface this, that these are all my gut reactions to my first read through, and my opinions are likely to update some as I go back and look at some ISOs

Anyways, my read through notes:

In post 560, Not_Mafia wrote:And you think day 2 when we stopped the kill n1 is time for a deep wolf push

This is an interesting statement. "We stopped the kill N1. "
Is that actually what happened?
Might've been a No-Kill Gambit.
Don't kill anyone, see if power roles out themselves, fakeclaim if you need to on the defense.
Then we come across this-

In post 549, marcistar wrote: How many votes am I at..? I'll claim if I need to, but i'm not sure if I need to now.. or if i should wait a bit longer..?

So clearly if marci's scum, claiming is on her mind, but

In post 452, marcistar wrote:

In post 439, T3 wrote:If we do have the jailkeeper we have a mafia.

I remember last game I played, jailkeep was used as a healer instead of trying to rb scum? So jailkeep wouldn't be sure about their info..?

anyways im not jailkeep

This kinda limits her ability to claim, unless she's planning on saying she said this to divert attention.
pedit: I haven't read your post yet, Lukewarm. I'll get on that right now

I think I may have just caught a scum making a slip during my read through!

I would like everyone to compare PearfoClubs posts 124 and post 419. I think you might find some harsh inconsistencies.

In post 124, Pearofclubs wrote:I actually was explicitly suspicious of someone in my last game because they were super helpful. I thought it was them trying to steer suspicions away from themselves and appear nice and helpful. Turns out it was just a helpful person.
Shame we lost because of that suspicion, but live and learn, right?

Basically, he claims, that in his last game, he scum read someone for being helpful, but they were actually

town

, and therefore lost the game.

In post 419, Pearofclubs wrote:This means that people are, at least to some degree, suspecting him less because he's giving gameplay advice and assistance. My last game a very helpful and nice player that I townread early on turned out to be scum. Perspectives get tainted by appreciating things like that

Basically, he claims, that in his last game, he townread someone for being helpful, but they were actually

scum

, and therefore lost the game.

Hopefully, everyone sees the discrepancy here. So it seems to me, like he was making up a story to try and get people to agree with his push at the time, and did not realize that he had already made up the exact opposite story. This reeks of scum trying to manipulate town.

I would very much like to go ahead and drop a vote here on Pear, but I am going to get fully caught up before I cast any votes. I am going to step a way for a bit to take a break, but I will be caught up before I go to bed tonight!