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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:33 pm

by Trust Fund

Varsoon, what night did you check me, again?

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:35 pm

by Varsoon

It was my second investigate, so Night 3.

So far, my investigate has been...

Night 1 -- Investigate Nacho -- Result Vanilla.
Night 3 -- Investigate TF -- Result Non-Vanilla.
Night 5 -- Investigate Antihero -- Result Vanilla.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:40 pm

by Trust Fund

Okay so here's the issue:

In post 5489, Antihero wrote:I will no longer be able to use to use my ability

My ability's wording says the same thing if you paraphrase it. It's also my only ability. I came back not vanilla and had already used my shot night one.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:58 pm

by Varsoon

Then your guess is as good as mine.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:02 pm

by Trust Fund

Before we go forward I kind of want to walk myself through the logic here again.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:04 pm

by Andrius

In post 5499, Varsoon wrote:
In post 5498, Andrius wrote:THE ONLY INNOCENTS ARE BODIES
ilu

ILUMORE

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:09 pm

by Trust Fund

In post 0, borkjerfkin wrote: 2. Andrius
6. Varsoon
8. Mac
10. Nachomamma8
14. notscience, Midori Uzuki
18. TiphaineDeath
19. Trust Fund
20. Antihero

I'm assuming one scum here. If there's more than one our plan is already fucked.
If there's more than one godfather in this setup, then I will wash my hands of this game to lolmodfuckery, but i don't think that's the case because bork is a cool guy.

That clears by default Mac, TD. Notsci is an inno child. That's three for sure. Town cop won't lie about results, so if there's any scum within {antihero, mac, TD} it has to be antihero by definition.

The plan calls for us to lynch Andrius today and have nacho hammer. If nacho is town, then that puts us down three going into the next day.

2. Andrius

6. Varsoon

8. Mac

10. Nachomamma8

14. notscience, Midori Uzuki
18. TiphaineDeath

19. Trust Fund
20. Antihero

Blue dies if both andy-nacho town. One of the three greens get shot at this point. Assuming notsci dies (it doesn't matter which of the three) Leaving us with:

6. Varsoon

8. Mac

18. TiphaineDeath

19. Trust Fund
20. Antihero

Which the plan then calls for us to lynch me. The game will continue into 3p LYLO...

6. Varsoon

8. Mac

18. TiphaineDeath

19. Trust Fund

20. Antihero

Leaving one green (let's say mac for fun) and two unknowns

6. Varsoon

8. Mac

20. Antihero

And then it's a tossup at that point. This is the only thing that worries me. I don't ~THINK~ the game will get here, and that it's nacho, but I'm afraid as to the LYLO in the 3p stage.

One of {mac, TD, notsci} is gonna have one helluva choice to make when it comes to that, IF it comes to that.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:13 pm

by Trust Fund

In post 938, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 933, Mr. Flay wrote:If you'll notice, we tried that several times. EVERY TIME it garnered accusations of being scum.
I propagated that. It wasn't really a good reason to find someone scum (sure they didn't want to go along with an optimal plan, but that was something that could have been talked about).

In post 933, Mr. Flay wrote:I maintain that the sportsmanlike thing for Nacho to do would have been to concede post-massclaim. Yes there was some minor chance champino would flake or miss his choice, but instead we got MONTHS of pointless discussion, apathy, and non-Mafia-related arguing. And while it was good WIFOM to make me think he was Town trying to salvage the game, it was never enough WIFOM to make me not lynch him in the end. Several people said that, enough to have majority every single Day. So why not concede?

I don't think it is the scum's responsibility to give themselves up when they are caught.
[/color][/u][/i] It is still the town's responsibility to lynch that caught scum and end the game; you guys had majority on me for a day and a half, you could have lynched me at any time. I felt guilty lurking, but the only way that I could have even a tiny chance of winning was a last minute fuck up in that 7 player LyLo. Being active scum would have been nice, but then it would've been harder to picture town-Nacho fucking over the game by not picking scum. I saw people thinking I was scum or townish until 3p LyLo sure, but some things change. We were in this thing for a WHILE, and I figured the less of a directing hand I had in the game the more believable the final sell in 3p lylo.

In post 933, Mr. Flay wrote:Also also, what was up with the first two missed kills by scum?
First one was because I didn't have a strong PR read and I expected most of the playerlist to target me, didn't lose anything from it since I would earn another kill in MyLo (and because I'd have a clearer picture of the game by then). Second no kill was stupid, I was gonna shoot Miss Stranger but then I realized no cop, no good PR reads, and I was more afraid of an easy mislynch getting confirmed town than I was about getting another lynch. I regretted the second one pretty quickly, not that it mattered in the end.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:15 pm

by Trust Fund

I still think the plan is the best way for this to go down. I mean, I'd much prefer not to lynch me and to be able to lynch both antihero AND varsoon in case one of them is scum, but I can see why eliminating me as a possibility makes sense from the not-me POV.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:21 pm

by Trust Fund

That said I still think varsoon is the lynch in that hypothetical 3man lylo.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:25 pm

by Varsoon

Makes sense, but if we get down to me and two others in a 3 man lylo without having caught scum yet, mislynching me probably won't win us the game.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:28 pm

by Varsoon

My major concern is if the game ends up with two/three of your green names alive in Lylo.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:44 pm

by Trust Fund

Colored fancy votecounts, unknown alignments blue, town green, scum red.

Spoiler: Holy Wall posts, batman!

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:30 pm

by Trust Fund

Ok so I'm just walking myself through each day out loud. Anyone else can chime in if they want to.

Spoiler: Day one VC by VC

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:42 pm

by Andrius

CABDDDDDDDDDD
WHAT IS YOUR REAGUE OF REGENDS NAEM

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:42 pm

by Andrius

also
do we really fucking need a vca on d7

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:46 pm

by Trust Fund

Spoiler: If Nacho is scum, here is what the vote counts look like

Spoiler: If andy is scum, here is what the vote counts look like

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:47 pm

by Trust Fund

Spoiler: If Varsoon is scum, here is what the vote counts look like

Spoiler: If Antihero is scum, here is what the vote counts look like

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:47 pm

by Andrius

spoilers
im not scum

!!!

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:48 pm

by Trust Fund

In post 5514, Andrius wrote:CABDDDDDDDDDD
WHAT IS YOUR REAGUE OF REGENDS NAEM

CabdisSK, but I suck because season three n stuff

In post 5515, Andrius wrote:also
do we really fucking need a vca on d7

You don't gotta click the spoiler buttons, andy.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:48 pm

by Trust Fund

In post 5518, Andrius wrote:spoilers
im not scum

!!!

Which of the other three possibilities looks most likely to you, then, 'cuz I'm not either.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:49 pm

by Andrius

why the hell do we need vcas for every flip that hasn't happened
srsly

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:49 pm

by Trust Fund

In post 5511, Varsoon wrote:My major concern is if the game ends up with two/three of your green names alive in Lylo.

BTW if this happens I'm writing the game off as mod fuckery because that would mean fake inno child or multiple godfathers.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:50 pm

by Trust Fund

In post 5521, Andrius wrote:why the hell do we need vcas for every flip that hasn't happened
srsly

It helps me sort n shit. Just skip it if you don't want it.

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:57 pm

by Andrius

IF YOU WERE RIGHT AND I WAS WRONG
WHY ARE YOU THE ONE WHO'S GONE AND IM STILL HERE?