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In post 5498, Titus wrote:

In post 5494, MathBlade wrote:

In post 5490, Titus wrote:

In post 5277, Titus wrote:I mean it's possible Nero could be scum playing up the pride angle. It's possible fire is chainsawing for eyes and wanting to break up me and VP working together. It's possible tene got caught reaching to not protect yeet. It's possible Enchant is not a vig and lying.

None of these things feel especially likely. Multiple need to be true in order for this to be true.

I need to reset somewhere unless all the town on VP are agency captured.

Here you are Math.

And that’s where I have a problem TRing you

You don’t have any viable narrative for a scumread

?????
I have scumreads. I fully expect one of those rare scenarios to be right but I doubt it's two or more. That doesn't mean I lack scumreads. It means I don't want to attack loud vocal, high risk, low reward people on a theory I find less likely to be accurate when there's slots doing nothing.

Since you're in favor of deep wolves, do you think any of them are sound if VP town?

In post 5500, VP Baltar wrote:Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

In post 5502, MathBlade wrote:

In post 5500, VP Baltar wrote:Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

This isn’t a marathon

In post 5503, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 5502, MathBlade wrote:

In post 5500, VP Baltar wrote:Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

This isn’t a marathon

Never said it was

In post 5497, VP Baltar wrote:So you think I'm bad if I'm town here? I hope upon my flip you reconsider that I am probably just closer to right, and to not wagon people over personality

In post 5429, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 5428, Titus wrote:

In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?

Can you do a reasonless or wall readslist? I think the ship has sailed on saving you.

I want you to answer 5425

In post 5437, Titus wrote:Based solely on those two vcs, my play reads suggest Scorpious and Frogstar planting seeds the town ran with.

Scum didn't even bother with even faking a counterwagon until April shouted the wagon down. The lack of a counterwagon usually means either boned scum, bussing scum or scum that don't give a damn. Let's discuss each in turn.

VP being boned scum at that point doesn't match with what happened unless April is agency captured town. Scum don't stick their neck on the line for a partner like that. If VP was boned scum, expect at least 1 scum on the wagon and multiple if possible. The votes should be in soon after VP was exposed. I don't believe this theory, so I can't find that moment but I include it for the sake of completion.

VP being bussed is unlikely because of the gamestate. Bussing scum generally do so early.

VP town can create apathy and a lack of desire to create counterwagons. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Anything else needs a specific question.

In post 5501, MathBlade wrote:

In post 5498, Titus wrote:

In post 5494, MathBlade wrote:

In post 5490, Titus wrote:

In post 5277, Titus wrote:I mean it's possible Nero could be scum playing up the pride angle. It's possible fire is chainsawing for eyes and wanting to break up me and VP working together. It's possible tene got caught reaching to not protect yeet. It's possible Enchant is not a vig and lying.

None of these things feel especially likely. Multiple need to be true in order for this to be true.

I need to reset somewhere unless all the town on VP are agency captured.

Here you are Math.

And that’s where I have a problem TRing you

You don’t have any viable narrative for a scumread

?????
I have scumreads. I fully expect one of those rare scenarios to be right but I doubt it's two or more. That doesn't mean I lack scumreads. It means I don't want to attack loud vocal, high risk, low reward people on a theory I find less likely to be accurate when there's slots doing nothing.

Since you're in favor of deep wolves, do you think any of them are sound if VP town?

I get you’re saying people are scum but there’s no

“Nero’s scum because he’s (something he is doing)”

You come really close to something but nothing feels right

How I understand your post is VP feels town
But I can’t find any scum that feel right.

One of those two things is wrong

In post 5506, Frogsterking wrote:Is this your answer to 5425? It appears to be based more on verbal reasoning than it does on VCA.

In post 5505, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 5497, VP Baltar wrote:So you think I'm bad if I'm town here? I hope upon my flip you reconsider that I am probably just closer to right, and to not wagon people over personality

not that you're a bad player but that you haven't played to the standard i expected. i don't think you're right. close to right, maybe? could possibly be nero, but i think cape is more likely, and it could be frog.

im not wagoning anyone over personality

In post 5508, Titus wrote:

In post 5506, Frogsterking wrote:Is this your answer to 5425? It appears to be based more on verbal reasoning than it does on VCA.

VCA has it's drawbacks here. Without a scumflip, it's near impossible to determine scum objective by the VCs alone.

In post 5435, VP Baltar wrote:Frogster, I think you missed this question.

In post 5399, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 5383, Frogsterking wrote:VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)

No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.

This makes no sense. You are stating:

1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.

2) galron was town.

These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?

In post 5510, Titus wrote:Frogster, have you ever seen or done a VCA? I don't recall meeting you.

In post 5509, MathBlade wrote:We know HEM and I was TVT wagons we’re both masons.

Town can and do drive wagons on town.

I just have a hard time believing it’s close to 10 times in a row.

What’s more likely is VP is scum.

In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

In post 5515, Titus wrote:

In post 5509, MathBlade wrote:We know HEM and I was TVT wagons we’re both masons.

Town can and do drive wagons on town.

I just have a hard time believing it’s close to 10 times in a row.

What’s more likely is VP is scum.

And if VP is town, we can refresh this discussion if we're both alive. I think it's genuinely hard for you to consider VP town given you'd have to face scum have been in control and it's time for a new direction. You naturally mistrust me and you're reluctant to reconsider what you feel to be strong evidence. You're a holdout juror. That's great for whichever side persuades you, but there's plenty of jury instructions warning against making up your mind too soon.

In post 5517, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

See math. He was around

In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

In post 5521, Titus wrote:

In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

In post 5522, MathBlade wrote:

In post 5521, Titus wrote:

In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day

In post 5511, VP Baltar wrote:Why are you defending Nero all game? It does not make any sense. Your read does not make sense on his play. He has not done anything remotely town this game.