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In post 5573, Garruk Relentless wrote:I don't see how you can not buy it, considering it's confirmed truth at this point?

You asked what the scum motivation was for claiming hated

Answer: not getting wagoned

It is not confirmed truth because unless I missed it, your hated claim was never tested

- Des

I don't believe Nat gave the flavor, however. Since we're Tyrion, everyone hates us. After enough time the people in Westeros forgave us and because we prayed to seven gods, it took seven phases of time for the people to forgive and get rid of our Hated status.

I really hated getting it because I don't have the best living past Day 1 record. But we did it. We've lived to Day 8, and now we're getting lynched by a fake tracker result. Of all things.

-SSK

In post 5574, Tierce wrote:This seems pretty extreme? You were the one who said it was pretty likely AGar roleblocked you the Night he died.

It's predicated on the fact that I have zero charges left on my motivate. Also the fact that his behavior has been sosososososo sketch since after quadz' lynch.

In post 5575, Messiah Complex wrote:You asked what the scum motivation was for claiming hated

Answer: not getting wagoned

It is not confirmed truth because unless I missed it, your hated claim was never tested

Except I don't think being hated prevents wagons? If I was acting scummy, people just ran me up anyways--as they did multiple times this game. They just stopped before "L-1".

Intent to hammer. Anyone want to get anything else out of this phase?

I'd rather you, Shadoweh or Tierce hammer than aNautillus, Alch or Magua.

Cephrir, pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaspleepalepaplepepalelpelalppelplease don't let my words today go unforgotten. Please?

So, you do want me to forget them, then?

If you flip town, I'll take them into consideration.

PSA: Benmage's hammer theory is wrong if Garruk flips scum, or at least we need to add the caveat that the wagon has to not be on scum (otherwise they would self hammer)

Don't hammer. There's four days left and I want to get ducks in a row.

Would especially like Nautilus input, because what I've seen from him is just useless one liners so far.

PSA: Benmage's hammer theory is wrong if Garruk flips scum, or at least we need to add the caveat that the wagon has to not be on scum (otherwise they would self hammer)

Although I think "scum get a reward for hammering" as a theory is mostly la-la land, statements like this make me feel you're not thinking things through before saying them.

I rarely do. Spewing thoughts haphazardly into the thread as they come to mind is sort of my MO.

In post 5582, Magua wrote:Don't hammer. There's four days left and I want to

annoy Tierce

mock Benmage

get ducks in a row.

Bring it, then. Between Benedick being Benedick, Nacho being off god knows where, and Llamarble getting under my skin even as I want to call him obvTown, you're my main motivation in this game.

Have you gone through the ISOs?

In post 5573, Garruk Relentless wrote:

Nautillus

is lying scum about getting my motivate.
Alfred is idiot scum and the main defense of him was by--guess who--Nautillus. I understand the TET thing, really, but that can only take you so far. Don't forget that most of his "protown" case was by Nautillus appealing to said TET masonry thing.

Titus

was roleblocked night three or something--Shadoweh had a good case for Titus-scum.
And then you have one wild card. Look in the fakeguilties+Alchemist for this one.

I ask you again - is there anything you want to tell the town?

In post 5579, Cephrir wrote:Intent to hammer. Anyone want to get anything else out of this phase?

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Ahem,

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icumagua

Sorry Tierce, where do you think I've been?

In post 5424, Garruk Relentless wrote:

In post 5413, Nautilius wrote:You do realize Garruk is flipping scum, correct?

Nacho, here's the thing.

Why are you not even considering the opposite result? You haven't at all all game. And, quite frankly, you're performance the last three days has been

awful

. You vote whatever way the wind blows.What are you gonna say when I flip town? Moreover, you've played as me as scum in this exact position before--does this seriously look like scum-me? And why are you voting with a faked guilty

again

if you seriously thought that? You realize that Benmage's primary contribution to this game was

getting the miller lynched

, right? In short, if you're town, Nacho, fuck you. I expected Cephrir and MC to buy into the theory since their minds have been made up and admittedly they don't have the same sort of meta experience as you, but come. on.

I actually have a theory scum have the ability to temporarily janitorize a flip--for those at home, like DGB's role in ParadoxPrime, except weaponized. Except that doesn't make sense I guess since there are still two days til LyLo(unless it's a permanent thing, in which case this game is actually bastard and I can wholly wash my hands of this game with no bad thoughts).

I have had you as a suspect for something ridiculous like 6 days. I have been waiting for you to do something for something ridiculous like 6 days. I ask you: why am I supposed to be reading you as town? Your answer is: "because motivates ". Do you see why that can be less than convincing to me? Do you see why that can be frustrating as hell to me? I have been impressed with your play elsewhere, but this play isn't what I want to see. And I know you can play better than is, I know you should be playing better than this, but you're not and you're looking to place the blame elsewhere. Please don't do that, it's a seriously shitty thing to do.

If you want to be useful, try explaining why the guilty on you is obviously fake. I get it, it's benmage. But lo and behold, this guilty actually makes sense based on Night 5!

In post 5573, Garruk Relentless wrote:I don't see how you can not buy it, considering it's confirmed truth at this point?

Anyways I have a feeling I'm gonna die before I wake up, so I leave this.

Nautillus is lying scum about getting my motivate.
Alfred is idiot scum and the main defense of him was by--guess who--Nautillus. I understand the TET thing, really, but that can only take you so far. Don't forget that most of his "protown" case was by Nautillus appealing to said TET masonry thing.
Titus was roleblocked night three or something--Shadoweh had a good case for Titus-scum.
And then you have one wild card. Look in the fakeguilties+Alchemist for this one.

And --guess who-- Tammy.

prod received still not hammering back later

In post 5577, Garruk Relentless wrote:

In post 5574, Tierce wrote:This seems pretty extreme? You were the one who said it was pretty likely AGar roleblocked you the Night he died.

It's predicated on the fact that I have zero charges left on my motivate. Also the fact that his behavior has been sosososososo sketch since after quadz' lynch.

In post 5575, Messiah Complex wrote:You asked what the scum motivation was for claiming hated

Answer: not getting wagoned

It is not confirmed truth because unless I missed it, your hated claim was never tested

Except I don't think being hated prevents wagons? If I was acting scummy, people just ran me up anyways--as they did multiple times this game. They just stopped before "L-1".

Ask what happens when you're roleblocked on a limited shot. Then, tell me why you didn't do this before.
Then, go ahead and tell me what I have done that's been so sketch.

In post 5582, Magua wrote:Don't hammer. There's four days left and I want to

annoy Tierce

mock Benmage

get ducks in a row.

Would especially like

Nacho

Nautilus input, because what I've seen from him is just useless one liners so far.

PSA: Benmage's hammer theory is wrong if Garruk flips scum, or at least we need to add the caveat that the wagon has to not be on scum (otherwise they would self hammer)

Although I think "scum get a reward for hammering" as a theory is mostly la-la land, statements like this make me feel you're not thinking things through before saying them.

Magus you should probably skim my ISO. Don't read it, just skim it.

Naut if I unvote will you vote so I can hammer?

In post 5585, ooba wrote:I ask you again - is there anything you want to tell the town?

I think you're looking for a specific answer, and I honestly have no idea what you're looking for?

In post 5590, Nautilius wrote:why am I supposed to be reading you as town? Your answer is: "because motivates ". Do you see why that can be less than convincing to me? Do you see why that can be frustrating as hell to me? I have been impressed with your play elsewhere, but this play isn't what I want to see. And I know you can play better than is, I know you should be playing better than this, but you're not and you're looking to place the blame elsewhere. Please don't do that, it's a seriously shitty thing to do.

I'm saying that you've played with me enough to know you should have a good bead on my behavior. FOR EXAMPLE: take the two other games where I was guilty'd as scum--Cash Cabd and Hard Boiled. You've managed to miss a huge difference in my behavior regarding them. I'll grant you, I've been more lurky than usual and I was off to a real slow start this game, partly due in part to the lolBenmage-Thor shit, partly cuz this was my first hydra game ever when it started, partly because I tried clearing with SSK before I realized that my pace is much faster than his and that was a mute point. Partly because I've been trapped out of the loop this game, with the major players content to mostly ignore me and talk about shit I didn't really care about. I didn't really get invested in this game until Shadoweh neighbor'd me(speaking of player's who every's been content to ignore). I really don't see how my "play" has been subpar past that point.

If you want to be useful, try explaining why the guilty on you is obviously fake. I get it, it's benmage. But lo and behold, this guilty actually makes sense based on Night 5!

1. It's Benmage.
2. He's done very little pro-town and is mostly being meta'd down by people on highly fakable posts(Alfred's "lol Ben's town cuz he self-meta'd" for example).
3. Cephrir is expressing doubt on his claim as another tracker variant.
4. He refuses to disclose details at all on his claim, hiding behind some seriously shitty reasoning("lol it might help scum!").
5. (and most important!)

Regarding night five, it's possible I was roleblocked. But, here's where the rabbit hole goes on that. Why would a scum team hypothetically let me commit the nightkill and motivate(regardless of the fact we don't even know if scum can take actions and kill on the same night) on what could be considered a critical night for my innocence(since I stated I was motivating that night, asked for targets in thread and all)? Why risk all that on a double-target track(a confirmed scumclaim--my assumed scumbuddies can at least fakeclaim out of a tracked kill).

That's not even getting into the notion that people think Alchemist is scum and a ninja, then suggesting that anyone but him would commit the nightkill.

In post 5593, Nautilius wrote:Ask what happens when you're roleblocked on a limited shot. Then, tell me why you didn't do this before.
Then, go ahead and tell me what I have done that's been so sketch.

...fine, I see your point. And the "why" here is more to do with me being arrogant and prideful than anything game related.

There once was a man from Nantucket
who sat his fat ass on a bucket
he started hearty and hale
but twas a bucket of fail
so he blew himself up saying "fuck it"



VOTE: Garruk Relentless

Fucking hell.

This game started out so well but now I'm pretty much resigned to it ending in a loss.