In post 5573, flow trap wrote:Actually we have a lot but nobody wants to go through all the fluff
Problem for me is I'm left with...
You, mechconf. My opinion is irrelevant.
BHL, Town - but the CC has messed me up a little, I wouldn't put it past BHL to pull this kinda gambit.
Raya - Sus, flavour and mech points me there.
S_S - Sus, a lie detector seems weird. claim seems fine otherwise.
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:20 am
by Something_Smart
Why does weird claim = sus? You think I just make up a post restriction in a game that otherwise doesn't have them for shits and giggles?
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:28 am
by Flea The Magician
Who said anything about a post restriction?
Right now, I'm looking at as much as I can to try and work this out, the lie detector didn't sit that well with me anyway so I hoped you were going to do bettertm - I'm still kinda sus on you.
I am not allowed to claim what it is before I use it
; however, it may be used during the day.
I would like Toadette to tell me whether she has access to any private topics. It would probably be helpful for other scummy players such as Psyche to do this as well, in case she can't/won't.
In post 5044, Something_Smart wrote:Okay. Heard back from the mod. Psyche does not have PT access, and they were checked not alien by Titus, so they are either a traitor or town.
I'm a one-shot lie detector, but the statement I lie detect can't be about role or alignment, and
if I claimed the ability before I used it I would have lost it
There's no bulletproof flips that I recall, I'll go check in a moment, a solo alien is going to need more than kill capability. Mechnics and flavour fits for me. Yes flavour is not the be all and end all, given Bojack was the alien hunter. but what other creature do you associate with aliens?
Yes this is a stretch, this is all I've got rn, and lets face it it's less of a stretch than Raya's position on me. If I'm wrong then we've got 1 more and it's either mom for the bad CC which I am stupidly conflicted over, or S_S.
That's a massive stretch Flea. The alien is probably just called an alien and somebody here is lying about their flavour altogether. And I've taken back what I said about your claim. I had forgotten we had doubles in flavour and that immediately rang alarm bells in my head.
We're running low on time so I am going to stick with my gut here and vote the VT claim who is pushing me as alien because I'm a cow and also still pushing me for something I recognized the error in. I think fae makes the most sense as the alien.
VOTE: Flea
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:23 am
by Flea The Magician
Weird thing is I don't think anyone lied about their claim or flavour, Raya. and yeah it's a bit of a stretch but we don't have much else to go on. I also NOT pushing you based on the sus on my flavour, but on that you're dodgy around a VT claim and it smells a bit like off milk to me. You're going on gut and on something you've made up here.
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:54 am
by flow trap
Oh joy
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:57 am
by flow trap
VOTE: raya36
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:29 am
by Thestatusquo
A deadline passed without any player receiving the majority of the votes. It is now night 7. Deadline for choices is in (expired on 2021-07-02 15:28:31)
Once again it will be a fast night if all players PM me to request it.
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:46 am
by Thestatusquo
You wake up to find one dead.
something_smart is dead.
Spoiler: He was...
It is now day 8. There are four players left. Two of them are a scum faction with a bullet proof remaining. There are no ways for them to lose the game from this spot so Flea the magician (dog mafia) and Flow Trap (town mason) are endgamed.
N1:
raya36 check dwlee -> not cat
Nero Cain no action
titus Check Kazyan -> not alien
kdowns check andante -> is a dog
Farkran Protect (dog) Nero -> not target (dog)
Chara check andante -> is a dog
xofelf Protect (cat) kazyan -> Not target (cat)
Dogs dwlee kills unwnd
Cats Chara kills Nero
Rats BHL kills unwnd
N2:
raya36 check pooky -> is cat
titus Check toadette -> not alien
kdowns check titus -> not dog
Farkran Protect kdowns (dog) -> Protected
Chara Check toadette -> not dog
xofelf protect kdowns (cat) -> not target (cat
Dogs firebringer kills kdowns -> protected
Cats Pooky kills firebringer
Rats BHL Kills dwlee
N3
raya36 Check Flea -> Not a cat
kdowns Check pooky -> Not a dog
Farkran Protect Kdowns (dog) => Not target
Chara Check Anya -> not a dog
xofelf Protect Shiro (cat) => Not Target
Dogs Flea kills Fark
Cats Pooky kills Murdercat
Rats BHL kills Chara
N4
raya36 No action
kdowns Check toadette -> not a dog
xofelf protect kdowns (cat) => not target
Dogs Flea Kills Kdowns
Cats Pooky kills psyche
Rats BHL kills psyche
1) In general I'm pretty pleased with how the game played out. I feel like I hit my design goal of giving each faction a roughly 25% chance to win the game. Town did not eliminate very well and they still had an ability to win right until the very end if they had eliminated corrected 1 or 2 more times. The idea of the setup was to give everyone roughly a 25% chance of winning among town rats cats dogs. So if it felt like your individual faction was underpowered thats likely because it was, by design. Giving everyone a fair chance at winning sort of gives everyone a reasonably low chance of winning by default.
2) The kills in this game worked out in a really weird way, which ended up being a super unintended red herring. The fact that scum teams hit the same person repeatedly led to the norm for this game being 2 kills per night instead of the intended 3, which really put the town at a disadvantage for figuring out the game. Obviously this gave scum a huge unintended advantage because it made town not realize the number of scum remaining and I think that influenced the play heavily on day 5 6 and 7. I think if town had known just how many scum were still around at that point (or had been given a reasonable chance to guess based off of NKs) there would have been a very different game down the stretch.
3) That said, there was a level of apathy in this game that I don't think I've encountered before in any games I've modded (including multiball) I don't think town tried very hard, and I think that they had a defeatist attitude of "oh, well, theres lots of scum and we don't have agency" which they used as an excuse and honestly I found that extremely disappointing. The vast majority of wagons in this game were town directed. To the extent that scum did consolidate on people it was generally on other scum players. Town could have easily won this game with just a slight bit more investment and their actions mattered a lot. I am really sad that several town players basically gave up this game, when I think that there were a lot of really obvious scum to go after, and the existence of the other scum in multiball makes those scum wagons easier to achieve, not harder. I don't really know what to do about this except to say that if you hate multiball and think town has no agency you should not play my games. I have a disclaimed in them for a reason. If you are feeling hopeless and you no longer want to play, you should replace out. I have a "please replace out if you are not enjoying the game" rule for a reason.
4) That being said I was very pleased with the ruleset overall. A lot of the rules I implemented for this game (especially the no toxicity rule) were experimental in nature, and I felt like they ended up working out very well. Part of that is a function of the fact that I don't think this is a player list that is naturally inclined to toxicity, but on the few instances where I felt something was approaching the line a brief nudge was all that I needed to stop it. We obviously never got close to removing anyone from the game, and we didn't need to even think about it. So thank you for that. I'm very interested in any feedback people have about the rule set in particular because its something I intend to keep using and refining.
5) Let's touch on the elephant (alien) in the room. I think maybe it was incorrect to make Titus an alien cop specifically. In designing the setup I liked the ambiguity of the role in that it could either be flavor or a faction and sort of gave the town a chance of considering three factions if it flipped, but seeing it in practice I'm not sure I love the effect. It sort of made the claim a touch more dubious than I wanted it to be and derailed the game a little bit more than I wanted in terms of a red herring. I don't think it was awful and it accomplished a lot of the stuff I wanted it too but it kind of feels like "Horse cop" would have accomplished a lot of the same things while giving titus a little more believability and would have derailed the game slightly less. It also is extremely unfortunate that the kills lined up in such a way as to make aliens completely plausible for most of the game, and it kind of felt like a miselim of titus at some point because a foregone conclusion because of the role, which was not really how I had envisioned it in my mind.
6) Speaking of which I want to shout out titus specifically. She replaced in to a slot that many in the game were ready to yeet without a word due to beeboy meta and then had to claim "alien cop" with a straight face which she did and managed to live for several more days after. It was not an easy position she replaced into at all.
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:55 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
gg
thanks for modding Shea!
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:57 am
by Chara
thanks shea!
i loved your ruleset.
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:00 am
by xofelf
The ruleset was really good. It was fun to play something I had to think about, though I'm not sure I played it well. I tried anyways!
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:02 am
by Dwlee99
Ggs
Thanks for hosting! Wish I got to play for more of it.
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:03 am
by Thestatusquo
Did you try not dying?
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:05 am
by Dwlee99
You should make me bulletproof next time
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:06 am
by T3
whoa
Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:06 am
by Chara
i can't believe the rats thought i was their traitor because i decided to claim rat. that's beautiful. it's exactly what we did with Fark.
i also love how the one time i'm actually nightkilled by scum it's when i'm also scum... big f.
