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In post 5571, Bell wrote:...Are you really going to start off this game with the "Debate me!" Meme?

"I think it's only fair for one being accused of Villainy to know the reasons they are being suspected, so that they might be able to defend themselves. Do you not agree?"

Not really, I find it very scummy when players try to beat someone at argument rather than evaluating why someone is pushing you.

Bingle tier: Bingle

town: Dwlee99, notscience, Bell
towny: WhemeStar
town...ish: Thestatusquo, catboi

Chara is bad at this tier (aka the Pool of Paranoia): Lady Lambdadelta, Dunnstral, Morph the Cat

Ircher tier: Ircher (really in scummy leftovers but i'm having an episode)

null: Sigmund (poised to go lower), Something_Smart

scummy leftovers: Farkran, Flea The Magician

In post 5573, Something_Smart wrote:Bell:

In post 5560, Something_Smart wrote:Why couldn't all scum be on one of the two wagons?

*pokes* do you really think I'm incapable of math as either alignment.

In post 5574, Ircher wrote:

In post 5569, Bell wrote:

In post 5566, Ircher wrote:VOTE: Something_Smart
I actually think this might be better.

Elaborate on the scum equity of S_S over Catboi please.

They're about equal but I'm inclined to maybe give catboi a benefit of the doubt as like I said, I was mildly town reading White Fire day 1, but I can't say the same for Something_Smart.

@catboi -- Give us some reads to work with. That's probably the most useful thing for you to do to show you are town.

seriously feeling like the Ircher i was scumreading has been bodysnatched with someone i keep agreeing with.

In post 5579, Bell wrote:*pokes* do you really think I'm incapable of math as either alignment.

...no? what does that have to do with anything?

In post 5579, Bell wrote:

In post 5573, Something_Smart wrote:Bell:

In post 5560, Something_Smart wrote:Why couldn't all scum be on one of the two wagons?

*pokes* do you really think I'm incapable of math as either alignment.

i just don't think there's any indication at least one scum is in White Fire/notscience. besides a sheer random chance angle re: votes.

I was just making something ridiculous up to pressure the new person on entry. Well, except for the other reason, since rep outs, are, you already know, more likely to be scum.
I do this pretty frequently.

so I was roleblocked last night, apparently

or at least that's what "not sucessful" means I think

In post 5584, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:so I was roleblocked last night, apparently

or at least that's what "not sucessful" means I think

VOTE: Sigmund

In post 5583, Bell wrote:I was just making something ridiculous up to pressure the new person on entry. Well, except for the other reason, since rep outs, are, you already know, more likely to be scum.
I do this pretty frequently.

Okay, that makes sense. (For what it's worth I think Firebringer prefers scum, so I'm not sure him replacing out is scum indicative.)

But, you can't really make up a nonsense argument and then scumread the person for pointing out that it's nonsense.

In post 5584, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:so I was roleblocked last night, apparently

or at least that's what "not sucessful" means I think

There could be other reasons for your action not being successful, depending on ability

In post 5586, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 5583, Bell wrote:I was just making something ridiculous up to pressure the new person on entry. Well, except for the other reason, since rep outs, are, you already know, more likely to be scum.
I do this pretty frequently.

Okay, that makes sense. (For what it's worth I think Firebringer prefers scum, so I'm not sure him replacing out is scum indicative.)

But, you can't really make up a nonsense argument and then scumread the person for pointing out that it's nonsense.

I'm not, I'm scum reading him for how he decided to defend himself rather than evaluating my alignment himself.
No omgus. Just hey guys let me fit in. I can fit in.

I don't really add preference into that statistic. It's not clean, but I do remember hearing similar yeah.

In post 5588, unwnd wrote:Need to lock again.

uhh

In post 5574, Ircher wrote:@catboi -- Give us some reads to work with. That's probably the most useful thing for you to do to show you are town.

"Your Adventurer's Journal is an incredibly hefty tome. Reading it from cover to cover might take me a fortnight. Surely you don't expect me to have gone over the entire thing in such a short period of time?"

"I intend to develop readings of who is a Hero and Villain, to be certain, but they cannot be brought out of thin air like a Conjurer might produce beasts. The time I was allotted was not enough to gain the necessary context. My hope was to gain a feel for the party by interacting in real time before looking back over the logs for context. I did not expect to be summarily accused upon my introduction."

In post 5591, catboi wrote:

In post 5574, Ircher wrote:@catboi -- Give us some reads to work with. That's probably the most useful thing for you to do to show you are town.

"Your Adventurer's Journal is an incredibly hefty tome. Reading it from cover to cover might take me a fortnight. Surely you don't expect me to have gone over the entire thing in such a short period of time?"

"I intend to develop readings of who is a Hero and Villain, to be certain, but they cannot be brought out of thin air like a Conjurer might produce beasts. The time I was allotted was not enough to gain the necessary context. My hope was to gain a feel for the party by interacting in real time before looking back over the logs for context. I did not expect to be summarily accused upon my introduction."

You didn't? ?_?

FREEDOM

CAN'T LOCK ME OUT FOREVER

In post 5589, Bell wrote:I'm not, I'm scum reading him for how he decided to defend himself rather than evaluating my alignment himself.

I guess. I don't really feel like the natural town response to getting pressured upon replacing in is to evaluate the person pressuring you without any context or understanding of their arguments.

What exactly would you have expected? Something like "I don't believe Bell really believes this"? They wouldn't know whether it's reasonable or not for you to believe it.

So.

We are the result of the multiple locks. Stand by.

In post 5577, Bell wrote:Not really, I find it very scummy when players try to beat someone at argument rather than evaluating why someone is pushing you.

In post 5589, Bell wrote:

In post 5586, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 5583, Bell wrote:I was just making something ridiculous up to pressure the new person on entry. Well, except for the other reason, since rep outs, are, you already know, more likely to be scum.
I do this pretty frequently.

Okay, that makes sense. (For what it's worth I think Firebringer prefers scum, so I'm not sure him replacing out is scum indicative.)

But, you can't really make up a nonsense argument and then scumread the person for pointing out that it's nonsense.

I'm not, I'm scum reading him for how he decided to defend himself rather than evaluating my alignment himself.
No omgus. Just hey guys let me fit in. I can fit in.

I don't really add preference into that statistic. It's not clean, but I do remember hearing similar yeah.

"Do you not understand that my questioning is a way of evaluating you? I'm looking to understand the basis of your reasoning. Why are you evading my questions? I've asked you twice now to answer and you've not given a response."

"My mindset is not that of a Villain who lashes out wildly and attacks their accusers in turn. Why would you expect it to be? To me such a mindset would be survival oriented, seeking to discredit one's accusers. While I have had a tendency to react in such a fashion in the past as a Hero, I am trying to behave a bit more rationally, as such a mindset has served me very poorly in the past. There's no real panic on my mind, I simply seek to understand those who suspect me and determine whether they are genuine or not."

In post 5596, morph the cat wrote:So.

We are the result of the multiple locks. Stand by.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

In post 5596, morph the cat wrote:So.

We are the result of the multiple locks. Stand by.

I'm interested