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In post 5599, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Where did Dunn's day opening vigor go?

What? I'm just waiting for other people right now.

In post 5599, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:What happened to Kagami's will to solve the game?

Real life, presumably.

ok, I'm back. Let's actually read this game.

I had no days off from work last week, but the kids were off school.

In post 4876, Parama wrote:for the record: mds/jester is the goto endgame pair if kagami & arthur are both scum and pie/smith is the goto endgame pair if dunn is scum. can we all agree on this?

i honestly don't think there's any possible scumteam where one of these isn't true

I don't think dunn is scum, folks.

VC 2.8 is interesting, I feel like that's where there should concern on the side of scum that Parama is pretty likely to go down.

Worth noting: the kagami-plan during the Second dance would have led to a town loss if Dunn is town, and a town win if Dunn is scum. At the time, scum had no reason to believe it wouldn't be executed (especially as deadline drew close).

In post 4553, Parama wrote:

In post 4231, pieguyn wrote:WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE SCUM IF JESTER/MDS IS A TOWN/TOWN PAIR AND PARAMA IS ALSO TOWN???

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

sad/kagami/smith, i'm telling you

All three town here?

I feel like there's too much of parama agreeing with MDS's minor sentiments for her to be terribly likely scum.

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Condensed Dunn plan:

Lynch HS-Parama

If HS-scum (irrelevant if Dunn is scum)
---Lynch jester
---If there's scum
------Re-evaluate
---Else
------suicide

If Parama scum (What he considers likely)
---Lynch SAD/scout
---If Scout-scum
------Re-eval piesmith (to town, presumable)
---If SAD-scum
------Lynch piesmith
---Else
------Dunn doesn't seem to consider this possibility

If HS-Parama town
---Lynch Piesmith -> lynch jester-mds -> not sure what next (of course, we'd have lost at piesmith lynch)


Of note is the significant amount of text concerning the HS-Parama town circumstance. Also of note is that there's no consideration of Parama-scum -> SAD/Scout T-T; implying to my mind that Dunn-scum -> scum in sad-scout, and probably SAD in that circumstance.

In post 5609, Kagami wrote:Of note is the significant amount of text concerning the HS-Parama town circumstance. Also of note is that there's no consideration of Parama-scum -> SAD/Scout T-T; implying to my mind that Dunn-scum -> scum in sad-scout, and probably SAD in that circumstance.

This is exactly what I was saying earlier before Parama lynch,

Dunn was setting it up for him to push a lynch on me when Parama flips scum. The wall of text regarding if they flip town seems like it's all a cover-up for when Parama does actually flip scum and then he can pull the "double bussing theory" to then try and get me lynched, because otherwise if he doesn't push me I have a chance of endgaming him.

Seems unlikely to me that in all that effort, he accidentally neglected a condition he would believe will arrive.

Why don't you think scout is scum, SAD?

In post 5612, Kagami wrote:Why don't you think scout is scum, SAD?

Occam's razor.

At this state of the game, scum want everyone to be paranoid of everyone. That's what they want to feed on. Things like Dunn's push on us/setting up lynches, things like Jester's mia and willingness to vote anyone, things like MDS' unwillingness to make solid pushes and instead is so aloof, and things like your question just now, creates an environment where scum thrive.

Why don't I think he's scum? Because he's the only other person who seems to have an ounce of interest left in the game. Dunn has already said he wants us lynched and that's it. Now that he has said that he's at a position where he can stay back and literally slide under the radar because he has already made his push, and when people remember that's what they're gonna remember about him, so he's gonna seem like he was actually scum-hunting. Jester has pulled the card of "continue to be useless" in an effort to dodge being lynched, and because he frankly doesn't seem to care at all. And I don't really blame him, if I was scum the last thing I'd do is give a fuck and put effort to fake stuff in a game in which I can lose so easily at lylo, and my effort would have been futile.

At the end of the day, I'm gonna trust Pie over people in a lylo with 2 scum. Because I don't think there's anything that's actually gonna make me more angry than losing to Jester-scum. At least if it's inspector or even like MDS/you, then I can say you put in decent effort into the game and I would be okay with losing. But not Dunn and Jester, literally the 2 people doing absolutely nothing but spewing scummy actions.

Why do you think dunn is town, kagami?

Why are people saying I'm sliding under the radar? what am I supposed to do while mds/kagami/jester aren't posting?

In post 5609, Kagami wrote:Of note is the significant amount of text concerning the HS-Parama town circumstance.

please... It's what I was mainly thinking of at the time, remember how I made that post in the pt? I just talked about them there and then considered other likely scenarios

In post 5611, Kagami wrote:Seems unlikely to me that in all that effort, he accidentally neglected a condition he would believe will arrive.

What do you mean

In post 5613, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:But not Dunn and Jester, literally the 2 people doing absolutely nothing but spewing scummy actions.

Why do you keep acting like I've done nothing all game when it's so far from the truth, I've actually put a lot of effort into this?

I have the following reasons to think Dunn is town:

-Effortful plans made under the belief he'd be killed coupled with frustration that people were ignoring them.
-Parama lynch plan has Dunn lynched and piesmith declared T-T if Dunn is scum
-Somewhat realish-seeming paranoia linking me-scum to HS-scum
-Dunn plan has a hole where sadscout is T-T, while continuing in other directions (Not valid if dunn is scum with sadscout)
-Actively encouraged me to vote HS-parama in PT

Reasons to think he's scum:

-Generally underwhelming play
-Decided HS-town but didn't seem to really re-evaluate the vote on hs-parama
-Scumread on me didn't have any real follow-up despite my not giving him an especially great reason to townread me
-Would be pretty surprising if there were no bus votes on Parama, especially if Parama expected a lot of fire from the PT reaction HS mentioned.

Reasons to hope he's scum:

-I told Pie I was going to suicide and I would feel pretty terrible if I don't and dunn is actually scum

Guessing you want someone elses opinion on that; though I disagree with the underwhelming part

For your point about the followup on you, I was trying to get conversation going but everyone brushed it off. That just made me more suspicious for a while
How do you think I could have further followed it up? There was a time in the pt where I said I actually townread you at that point but then it kind of flipped again


Your general feel seems to be that if I'm scum, it's with one of scout/sad, correct? (not from that post, from others)
If so... you should lynch that pair with me


We need 4 people to vote sad-scout in order to lynch them. we've got 3 days, I have a feeling kagami will be the first to suicide so I don't know why I'm getting called out on doing nothing

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne-Scout

In post 5619, Kagami wrote:Reasons to hope he's scum:

-I told Pie I was going to suicide and I would feel pretty terrible if I don't and dunn is actually scum

If you suicided I wouldn't blame you

I mean, it would suck though

I can't tell if you think I'm town or not

In post 5619, Kagami wrote:-Effortful plans made under the belief he'd be killed coupled with frustration that people were ignoring them.
-Parama lynch plan has Dunn lynched and piesmith declared T-T if Dunn is scum
-Somewhat realish-seeming paranoia linking me-scum to HS-scum
-Dunn plan has a hole where sadscout is T-T, while continuing in other directions (Not valid if dunn is scum with sadscout)
-Actively encouraged me to vote HS-parama in PT

Firwt, okay.
Second, isn't that an argument AGAINST him?
3 okay, if you think it's real.
4 is no indication of him being town whatsoever.
5 okay I'm not in your pt.

VOTE: Dunnstral/Kagami
I wanna get this over with.