Death Curse

[Titus]

I strongly disagree with this.
LLD thought Owen was the least likely to be scum out of the group. of people that weren't obv town.

Titus's push I do not like.

I don't care what you like. I care about yeeting scum. If you want to get in my way, that's on you. If I am wrong on Unowen, that's on me.

[Titus]

I would like to see you post your own case.

you can copy/paste his case if you agree with it entirely.

you can delete the sections you disagree with or edit it.

So you disagree with Unowen's case but don't find it scummy at all? Particularly the parts where he tries to assert all active town agree with him?

[Bell]

I don't care about your Unowen read.
So don't derail ShellyC wagon.

If you want to interrogate someone, interrogate literally any other player.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why wouldn't I derail shelly-wagon if I think shelly is town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So you disagree with Unowen's case but don't find it scummy at all? Particularly the parts where he tries to assert all active town agree with him?

bad town players can make bad cases - my townlean on uno comes from VCA and I find his terrible case on shelly to be NAI.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like reading shelly iso from d2 - she heavily shades/votes fred multiple times before he becomes "inevitable" and that doesn't make much sense for her to do as a scum-bussing if she is going to hop off the wagon.

[Bell]

I would like to see you post your own case.

you can copy/paste his case if you agree with it entirely.

you can delete the sections you disagree with or edit it.

Eh fine.

1. Shelly's interactions with me vaguely feel like she was unilaterally arbitrarily pushing and pulling on her scum read of me without saying a single concrete thing. My interpretation is that she was trying to stop me from escalating my scum read of her.

2. Her reads and pushes she's made are almost unilaterally on town or likely town to the point where it's slightly statistically suspicious that she could have just accidentally always found her way towards pushing or scum reading town.

3. Her vote on Fred looked Bussy. With no commitment.

4. Her surety of my alignment in a different game as, "There were all these other super scummy people in my other game so that's why I was sure you were town in that one" Makes little sense when you could just as easily be sure there were other scum and have a null read or null position there. Using a metric of comparing me when knowing I'm town in this game to that one would shore up her confidence.

5. I did not read her "I freaking hate you" line in the way Titus reads it.
ShellyC said she didn't strongly care for this game, an obvious lie given her posting. But why did she lie at all? Then she turned around and got mad at being voted. Especially when that anger isn't really directed in a rational manner. Why does she hate a player for scrolling her?

5. Her entire play has been to dance and box with whoever's doing whatever.

6. She actually didn't seem to be focusing much when the pace of the game increased and town started solving for other town. She was in fact MUM on anything related to town clinching while this happened.

7. She told me I've never played with town her before so I don't have the experience to read her scum game, when she was town in the other game, which is misleading because by definition I played with her once as town if she was. In that game. It is an incongruity that I don't see coming from ShellyC as town here given she was pretty much convinced I was town in that game and showed ~No~ paranoia towards me in that game.

And a bunch of other reasons.

She could conceivably be town. I'm not a shellyc scum expert.
I just kinda think she is.

[Bell]

like reading shelly iso from d2 - she heavily shades/votes fred multiple times before he becomes "inevitable" and that doesn't make much sense for her to do as a scum-bussing if she is going to hop off the wagon.

Um, why doesn't it make sense for her to hop on and off a scum wagon before it became inevitable as scum?

[Bell]

why wouldn't I derail shelly-wagon if I think shelly is town?

Was talking to Titus actually.

I just want to hit within Taylor/ShellyC today and then see what happens with Fidget.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you bus your partner on d2 it makes sense to stay on the wagon for the bus-cred, not jump off.

[Bell]

She said my Theta argument was the first time she agreed with me this game, but she voted Fred when I did so she agreed with me before.

She's just bein' weird.

[Bell]

if you bus your partner on d2 it makes sense to stay on the wagon for the bus-cred, not jump off.

That's an extremely simplistic view of how scum play.
Esp. in a game with a narrow road to victory.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont think scum path to victory is very narrow at all

[Bell]

Okay. I

That still doesn't explain why scum only ever hard bus in your view.

[Bell]

I would like to see you post your own case.

you can copy/paste his case if you agree with it entirely.

you can delete the sections you disagree with or edit it.

So you disagree with Unowen's case but don't find it scummy at all?

Particularly the parts where he tries to assert all active town agree with him?

Why is that scummy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That still doesn't explain why scum only ever hard bus in your view.

that's not what I'm saying :/

[UNOwen]

bad town players can make bad cases - my townlean on uno comes from VCA and I find his terrible case on shelly to be NAI.

I don't case good but I read decent. Shelly has been shifty and insincere throughout this game, she has been determined to interact with me in bad faith, I don't see how this can be coming from town.

As for the bussing argument, the only other time I have played against shelly she cost herself the game because she tried to go for a fake claim to end it quickly instead of just bussing her majorly suspected partner and relying on her own good position to close it out. I had trouble figuring out whether she was lying because I couldn't find a good scum motivation for the play. So I completely believe scum!shelly would have non-intuitive behaviour when a buddy is under suspicion.

[Gloria Cleary]

Spoiler: No matter how far they run, or where they hide, death always finds those who read the scroll. Fredrick A Campbell spontaneously combusted, and was burnt alive. He was... Spoiler: Mafia Lady Lambdadelta formed an addiction towards inventing time travel. She came close, but ultimately died of sleep deprivation. She was... Spoiler: Town Theta Alpine was polymorphed into a sheep. Someone mistook her as a worn out pillow and threw her into a shredder. She was... Spoiler: Town

Did this seriously come as a shock to anyone? I wasn’t expecting Theta to flip scum and I was hoping LLD would sheep one of Mush’s reads.

[MURDERCAT]

I could have gone either way after that reads list

[Gloria Cleary]

I could prolly bet my life that {shelly, uno} has scum but gloria told me that was wifom so I'll just not comment on it.

I was specifically referring to the post-scroll Fred readlist, nothing else.

[Gloria Cleary]

zdenek iso is pretty short - you have no opinions about that post at all?

Do you think they’re buddies?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i do not

[Gloria Cleary]

no I dont think there's anything really wrong with tone or phrasing or anything there.

do you think that's something zdenek says about his scum partner?

Actually, leaning no, unless he was scum with a lame buddy but it’s Zedeneck who would be the lame one in that case.

Idk, it’s not something impossible. I really read that as NAI, possibly town indicative?

[Gloria Cleary]

@Murder, Yes. I am not particularly opposed to a shelly wagon, but I think Uno's "case" makes him the more likely scum. Even if I am wrong, we aren't in a bad spot. Of course, this could be S v S which is why they both look bad.

What about what Ppoky just said? Owno doesn’t really look like a Fred buddy based off of Zedeneck/Owno interactions.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

pooky and titus trying to derail isnt shocking. uno being the counterwagon is kinda surprising. maybe i need to reread uno.