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In post 5598, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 5597, Cephrir wrote:if things are as you say they are it really shouldn't be hard for you to identify specific falsehoods

The falsehood is that i'm alligned with Toog.

there is a difference between "wrong" and "lying"

if you're going to accuse him of lying you have to back it up

In post 5600, Cephrir wrote:

In post 5598, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 5597, Cephrir wrote:if things are as you say they are it really shouldn't be hard for you to identify specific falsehoods

The falsehood is that i'm alligned with Toog.

there is a difference between "wrong" and "lying"

if you're going to accuse him of lying you have to back it up

There is no difference. Roden can be town making a BS case to justify their tunnel on me.

I'm saying that Roden already had the conclusion in his head that i am a deepwolf, and since he scumreads Toog he had to justify a world where both of us are scum, hence the case.

ok, wait, why are my TRs arguing? I've seen stuff from Norwee that I'm pretty convinced is town!Norwee

lying is intentional. wrong doesn't have to be. if there are lies in the post, you should be able to point them out and say "this event factually did not happen." otherwise, you're disagreeing with the conclusion that was drawn but not the facts about events.

anyway, i think you're scum for reacting this way. attempted bravado hoping no one else would take it seriously -> panicking when i did take it seriously.
even if he's off base on the reasons, it feels like you know toog is flipping scum.

In post 5604, Cephrir wrote:lying is intentional. wrong doesn't have to be. if there are lies in the post, you should be able to point them out and say "this event factually did not happen." otherwise, you're disagreeing with the conclusion that was drawn but not the facts about events.

anyway, i think you're scum for reacting this way. attempted bravado hoping no one else would take it seriously -> panicking when i did take it seriously.
even if he's off base on the reasons, it feels like you know toog is flipping scum.

Ok but flip the actual scum first. Don't do some BS like trying to mislim we first "cus i'm scummier". I will scumread you so hard if you do that.

wasn't going to

I don't care if y'all think i'm partnered with Toog. Whether i'm town or scum my goal is the same. To lim scum. So if in the end you are all in your mind helping me "buss" him then town wins today regardless.

Ok that made no sense. My goal as scum would be to endgame. Lmao.

Toog's partner lies in mastina/tictac/bears

I should have done what i do earlier. And just take breaks when i get tilted. Fuck me i always end up this way.

Taking a long break, bye.

In post 5598, NorwegianboyEE wrote:The falsehood is that i'm alligned with Toog.

Quoting for posterity.

Ok so i sat down with a tea and feel relaxed.

If you got any concrete questions feel free to ask and i may answer them.

I never scumread Roden, and i don't think his case contains lies. I just went a bit overzealous because i was feeling nervous and hypertense today. But now i should be better. Basically i just disagree with their case and the conclusion. I don't see why Toog flipping scum should indicate i am scum. If there are any actual arguments that people are convinced makes that true, please voice them so i can respond to the points in question that lead you to think so.

Me reacting like this is not scum indicative, and i can point to many games where i lose my cool at being scumread, and where i was of the town allignment. In fact it is rare i have these sort of episodes at all as scum. So if this made you think i am scum, i'd ask you to reconsider and if that's not enough, ask me for concrete meta. And i will give it to you.

give me meta

In post 5614, Save The Dragons wrote:give me meta

(Basically the entire game) Smugglers port -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=83567
(From the moment Menalque posts a big case about me being scum, and i freak out) Large Normal 224 -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... =+menalque
(IV scumreads me from start and i react badly) Open 787 Lovers Mafia -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... lit=+lover
(I think you were in Holiday Dance Party) Holiday Dance Party -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88375

ok. since roden and i can't both be nightkilled (and i can't imagine any scumteam shooting me here anyway), i'm comfortable revisiting this tomorrow

Don't you have questions?

I don't mind replying today.

I got no put put for this game td

In post 5617, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Don't you have questions?

Well, a lot of it is based on toog's posts, but there's at least one thing i can ask you about. why did your read on me suddenly flip?

In post 5574, Roden wrote:

In post 5518, NorwegianboyEE wrote:We can lim Toog now.

In post 5552, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm fine with just going for an lim right now.

These posts also really concerned me. After I ask Toog to address the Norwee deep wolf case, Toog disappears and Norwee starts pressuring everyone to hurry up and vote Toog out before we can even finish the mass claim and finish any topics/conversations that were still going on. But maybe I'm just being paranoid...

In post 5558, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Bears and Mala was being scummy then i'd agree with finishing the mass claim.
But bears and Mala aren't scummy, so pushing for them to claim is just going to be helpful for scum so they know where it's best to shoot tonight.

...Why am I excluded here? Norwee knows I haven't full claimed yet.

In post 5560, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Spoiler:

Toogaloo - Casper Darling
- 2 Shot HRA Researcher
- Non-lethal actions negated.
- LLD and Self. No shots remaining.

Tictac - Benicoff TV
- Vanilla Ascetic

StD - Moving Letters
- Fruit Vendor

Mastina - Ashtray
- VT (Claims Molded)

Andante - Simon Arish
- VT

Cephir - Merry Go Round Horse
- VT

Norwee - Zachariah Trench
- VT

Roden - Polaris
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Three Bears - Dylan Faden
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Malakittens - The Board
- N/A

I love structurally laying out what is known so far...

I think it's because it doesn't matter what I claim. Norwee knows where scum is shooting tonight.

the first point here interests me a bit too. the latter doesn't super bug me, although if it's some reason other than you randomly forgetting roden existed you can talk about that too.

In post 5621, Cephrir wrote:

In post 5574, Roden wrote:

In post 5518, NorwegianboyEE wrote:We can lim Toog now.

In post 5552, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm fine with just going for an lim right now.

These posts also really concerned me. After I ask Toog to address the Norwee deep wolf case, Toog disappears and Norwee starts pressuring everyone to hurry up and vote Toog out before we can even finish the mass claim and finish any topics/conversations that were still going on. But maybe I'm just being paranoid...

In post 5558, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Bears and Mala was being scummy then i'd agree with finishing the mass claim.
But bears and Mala aren't scummy, so pushing for them to claim is just going to be helpful for scum so they know where it's best to shoot tonight.

...Why am I excluded here? Norwee knows I haven't full claimed yet.

In post 5560, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Spoiler:

Toogaloo - Casper Darling
- 2 Shot HRA Researcher
- Non-lethal actions negated.
- LLD and Self. No shots remaining.

Tictac - Benicoff TV
- Vanilla Ascetic

StD - Moving Letters
- Fruit Vendor

Mastina - Ashtray
- VT (Claims Molded)

Andante - Simon Arish
- VT

Cephir - Merry Go Round Horse
- VT

Norwee - Zachariah Trench
- VT

Roden - Polaris
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Three Bears - Dylan Faden
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Malakittens - The Board
- N/A

I love structurally laying out what is known so far...

I think it's because it doesn't matter what I claim. Norwee knows where scum is shooting tonight.

the first point here interests me a bit too. the latter doesn't super bug me, although if it's some reason other than you randomly forgetting roden existed you can talk about that too.

The context of the first post was that claims had finished so we could vote out a slot, and me expressing i was fine with it at that moment.
The context of the second is that there were questions if Three Bears/Roden/Mala should full claim before we finish the day, and me stating that i wouldn't care about that and prefer we end the day without giving scum that knowledge.
All of that should be pretty clear just from reading up to that point. So that doesn't really have to do with Toog in particular? If Toog decides to go away after casing me then that's something to ask him about, idk why that should have anything to do with me.
Now did i care if Toog would show back up or not? To be blunt, no not really. There is no real reason for me to care if Toog comes back before we elim him, but if he did that wouldn't bother me either. I just think he's scum. And it's silly to think that i would be rushing the lim for some nefarious reason instead of just wanting for us to end the day like a normal person that thinks there is nothing else to really talk about.

In post 5620, Cephrir wrote:

In post 5617, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Don't you have questions?

Well, a lot of it is based on toog's posts, but there's at least one thing i can ask you about. why did your read on me suddenly flip?

Mastina.

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