In post 5496, CupcakePanda wrote:AND I HAVE A PM CONFIRMING MY ACTIONIn post 5495, AngryPidgeon wrote:YOU ARE LYING. I AM CONFIRMED VISITING STALIN.In post 5494, CupcakePanda wrote:YOUR ACTION EITHER FAILED OR YOU'RE LYING BUDDY #1
CHELSEA TORN
TOWN DELAYER
N1 MASTIN
N2 AP
I HAVE A PM IN MY INBOX SAYING STALIN IS NOT A REPLICA.
HUEHUEHUE TWO CAN PLAY AT THAT "LOOK AT MA INBOX" GAME
+ffery had her ability failIn post 5490, Just Sheep Us wrote:we are van grants, instructor master, even night tracker. ap visited stalin last night.
out ability will fail against replicas.
Nacho, this actually seems plausible. Why are you discounting it? If AP wanted anyone investigating him to think that he visited Stalin, of course he would make his role give back results as him targeting Stalin and then he'll claim it in the thread. Not sure what to make of scum blocking Stalin though.In post 5651, Nachomamma8 wrote:In order for AP to be the liar and DesBRO not additionally be a liar, AP needs to have orc's role from Vesperia (universal godfather) that not only decides what he gives results back as, but also who he targeted (and also have the foresight to say that he targeted Stalin, despite scum almost certainly blocking Stalin instead of just claiming an investigate on someone else). Do I think this is the case?
No. Not at all.
The scenarios that Penguin presents here are extremely implausible. It feels like she wants to call BRO-Desp scum but somehow needs to say that they are town. On the surface, she calls them town while still leaving wiggle room for others to consider the possibility that they are scum. It feels like a reluctant defense of someone she knows to be town.In post 5079, penguin_alien wrote:Saw this in preview when posting my (partial) mastin thoughts. It's 3 AM, so this won't be comprehensive. Tammy and I haven't discussed it yet, except that she wants my read on BRO.In post 5069, CarbonFiber wrote:@ Penguin, looking forward to hearing your case. I'd also like to see where you are at with the rest of your reads. Have you and Tammy discussed BRO's meltdown post yet? I was hoping to hear your thoughts on that too whenever you are caught up and get around to it.
I'll say straight up that based on everything I know about BRO via playing Mafia with him here and offsite and hydraing, there's no way he fakes that. If (and that's a big if from reading 3020) he's scum, he's still genuinely upset at the way mastin is going after him. I will say that from my experience with scum-mastin, she can go after teammates in very unproductive ways (see: Open 541, where we almost blew LyLo because mastin thought it would be a good idea to push Mhork while ignoring all the planning in the scum QT).
The qualifiers she uses (the bolded) again show her reluctance to flat out defend BRO. It doesn't show uncertainty in a read but feels like hedging because of the way she phrases it. If she was genuinely uncertain, I think she would have phrased it differently saying that she thought he was town but express doubt but the way she undermines her credibility before she calls BRO town feels like she wants to intentionally present a weak case.In post 5079, penguin_alien wrote:HOWEVER.
Much as I know BRO shakes up his scum game and makes some strange plays as either alignment, this doesn't feel insincere at all, or to be more precise, coming from anything other than frustrated town. To be honest, I almost feel like just snipping this post out of my mental calculations, because it feels way intrusive for the game to have put him in a situation where he felt that he needed to share it. I won't, because it also feels wrong to disregard his forthrightness.
The bolded is quite blatant hedging that feels fake and unnatural. The rest of the paragraph looks like she is trying to provide a convincing narrative as opposed to honestly talking about her reads. She talks about how some things are scummy, how some things are town, she fluffs about how BRO was excited to join the game. Nothing she says is in the least bit convincing and read from a POV where I treat her as town to hear her opinion on BRO, I'm left uncertain about his alignment (if I didn't already have strong opinions about it).In post 5079, penguin_alien wrote:I'm sorry, there are some things in his ISO that I noticed while skimming for the 'meltdown' post(although I'm not really comfortable calling it a meltdown; heaven knows as someone who's dealt with issues that were hard to discuss I know exactly how painful it is to reveal that stuff, and calling it a meltdown feels condescending, to be frank)that made me think he could be scum and some things that made me think town.My very brief overall impression is that BRO came into the game excited about the player list and anticipating a fun game. There's some banter-type stuff that feels alignment-independent and so in my paranoia might make me think scum-BRO. But as he keeps posting, there's super-genuine sounding posts AND, more importantly, posts that read like the insightful BRO I'm used to watching work in-hydra when I darn well know his alignment.
The bolded is more of the intensity with which she discredits her own read. It is possible for town to say that they are not the best at reading a player but the way this seems to be the centerpiece of Penguin's read, it comes off as scum who want towncred for correctly reading a townie but don't want to derail a mislynch if one should occur.In post 5079, penguin_alien wrote:I'm on the verge of conking out, but hopefully that gives you an idea of where I am.I may not be good at reading BRO as a mafia player, but I'd like to think I have a sense of his personality well enough that I know him hitting a limit wasn't staged. Maybe I'm presuming too much, given that we're more Mafia friends than 'dish about life' friends, but that's how my brain works. I'll read the other 300+ posts from the JSU hydra after I get some sleep and try to get a sense of their alignment here.
Because, F-16, as much as I respect your play and would like to work with you if you're town here, if we hadn't misread BRO in Wicked I'd have neighborized him over you-Ghatokaca in a heartbeat, and I know town-BRO can game-solve like a maniac.
P-edit: I'm sorry, I can't react to everything that's elapsed since I started writing this up...tomorrow.
Whoa wait a second.In post 5653, CarbonFiber wrote:Nacho, this actually seems plausible. Why are you discounting it? If AP wanted anyone investigating him to think that he visited Stalin, of course he would make his role give back results as him targeting Stalin and then he'll claim it in the thread. Not sure what to make of scum blocking Stalin though.In post 5651, Nachomamma8 wrote:In order for AP to be the liar and DesBRO not additionally be a liar, AP needs to have orc's role from Vesperia (universal godfather) that not only decides what he gives results back as, but also who he targeted (and also have the foresight to say that he targeted Stalin, despite scum almost certainly blocking Stalin instead of just claiming an investigate on someone else). Do I think this is the case?
No. Not at all.
Also, on night 1, I learned that "AP did not do anything." Not sure how relevant this is but I thought I'd out.
what's not to understand? I don't think there are beasts? sample PM has age, gender, and hailed game. It's possible to have those as role-restrictions, and why I care? I've already explained... in that postIn post 5374, AngryPidgeon wrote:This is not making any sense to me.In post 5323, magenta_thegreat wrote:Assuming scum roles only work on one of kids/adults, the fact that they have fail/success during the past two nights would lead them to the conclusion of what age group their target belongs in. If each scum targeted different people (which is very likely) the past two nights, they would have age groups of 8 people (2X4=8) while townspeople with same limitation only have the age groups of those they targeted.
Why would scum roles only work on one of adults/kids? And why not mention beasts? Annnd, you are using this as a justification for a massclaim of flavor. Why do you even care?
Confirmed town and plausible scum respectively.In post 5329, magenta_thegreat wrote:thoughts on ffery/beli and Brian/ns? I think the latter has a chance of being scum
I had clarified it with Cabd. If AP attempted to visit someone that is not present in the gamestate (a commuter), then it would show as him going nowhere.In post 5660, Titan wrote:Whoa wait a second.In post 5653, CarbonFiber wrote:Nacho, this actually seems plausible. Why are you discounting it? If AP wanted anyone investigating him to think that he visited Stalin, of course he would make his role give back results as him targeting Stalin and then he'll claim it in the thread. Not sure what to make of scum blocking Stalin though.In post 5651, Nachomamma8 wrote:In order for AP to be the liar and DesBRO not additionally be a liar, AP needs to have orc's role from Vesperia (universal godfather) that not only decides what he gives results back as, but also who he targeted (and also have the foresight to say that he targeted Stalin, despite scum almost certainly blocking Stalin instead of just claiming an investigate on someone else). Do I think this is the case?
No. Not at all.
Also, on night 1, I learned that "AP did not do anything." Not sure how relevant this is but I thought I'd out.
How does AP not doing anything connect to Bork's reaction when AP said his action failed?
If Nacho is an ascetic like we've assumed, his action would fail, but AP would still have visited him. Right? Or am I high or stupid or just plain tired?
Oh but I don't know that cabd would use that role as it was again. I'd have to check the dead thread but I'm pretty sure I remember him saying that it should have been a bit nerfed.In post 5653, CarbonFiber wrote:Nacho, this actually seems plausible. Why are you discounting it? If AP wanted anyone investigating him to think that he visited Stalin, of course he would make his role give back results as him targeting Stalin and then he'll claim it in the thread. Not sure what to make of scum blocking Stalin though.In post 5651, Nachomamma8 wrote:In order for AP to be the liar and DesBRO not additionally be a liar, AP needs to have orc's role from Vesperia (universal godfather) that not only decides what he gives results back as, but also who he targeted (and also have the foresight to say that he targeted Stalin, despite scum almost certainly blocking Stalin instead of just claiming an investigate on someone else). Do I think this is the case?
No. Not at all.
Also, on night 1, I learned that "AP did not do anything." Not sure how relevant this is but I thought I'd out.
Okay, you came into the game and started pushing Mastin making a case on him while he was about to be lynched. I question how you were so certain about it. There were a million pages to read and your focus was suddenly on Mastin rather than a more general view of the game. You seem too confident about your Mastin read and about your read on me.In post 5662, penguin_alien wrote:I want to talk to F-16 more here before the day ends, but here's what I see.
Katsuki is on one side and AP-JSU are the other. We either have one scum and two town nailed here, or one town and two scum. If we lynch Katsuki, if he flips scum it's a 0:1 town:scum effect. If town, we get a 1:2 effect of known town:scum. Either way we get one more scum than town flip.
If we lynch one of {AP, JSU} in the event they're town we get a 1:1 town:scum result; if they're scum we get a 0:2 effect.
I personally like the guarantee of netting one more scum than town at this point. My best town read in the group is JSU. And the risk of losing one of a tracker and investigative role versus a delayer is pretty clear.
P-edit: F-16, it was 3 AM in the morning. I was trying to give a read on someone with hundreds of posts. The major post was the 'meltdown' and seemed to be key to people's reads. Whatever people might think, I'm not actually a bitch IRL, and my knee jerk reaction to seeing someone upset isn't to pick at them. So reading that post, it took a lot to remain as objective as possible. Yes, I hedged. I didn't have a good sense of his overall play. But if you stop damn well cherry picking it, you'll see that I'm leaning town on him even at that point. Overnight I read up more closely and concluded my instinct was right and he was town. I spent a decent bit of time talking to Tammy about that.
I've been suckered a lot the last six months by artificial words, and I'm trying to step back and not sidle off when something hits my positive emotions. So I considered all the angles. Why are you trying to act like my laying out the possibilitiesbefore I drew my conclusionsis scummy while ignoring those conclusions?
Hey AP, I get that you are impatient and if you are town, it makes sense to you but let the rest of us figure stuff out. The deadline isn't today.In post 5669, AngryPidgeon wrote:Ok so this is whats bothering me.
CF is claiming shit that I have no idea is fake or true about my N1 actions. Tammy is going "oooh shiny I wonder if this means something" when it really does not.
CF is creating a sideshow about Penguin_Alien who looks REALLY PRETTY TOWN and he is not really working towards the multiple claims that just came pouring out that need to be resolved Today. Instead I get some hedgy "Well there COULD be some godlike bullshit in the game that AP might be and might have played 100% perfectly to match with everyone's role results, including my own"
Magenta apparently hasn't read a singular post from Today.
Stalin is Stallin' which is pretty par for the course.
REMINDER: KATSUKI CLAIMED I LIED ABOUT MY ROLE. THAT IS A GUILTY.
I AM CONFIRMED TOWN AND BOTH OF MY NIGHT ACTIONS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
LOL. You are either going to be incredibly amused while reading the neighborhood QT after the game or slightly pissed off. I hope it is the former.In post 5670, Titan wrote:Summary of the last thirty pages:
Tammy: falcons scum!
Fallcon: no you
Tammy: no you
Falcon how dare you?
Tammy how dare you!
Falcon: ommygodiknewit
Tammy: maybe you're not
Falcon: you're not either
*hugs* d'awwwwwwww
Okay, just to be clear, Clyton claimed something other than watcher in the neighborhood, right?In post 5665, Titan wrote:Falcon - Penguin's not hedging on her town read of Bro though. She pretty much keeps reemphasizing reasons why he's town including his reaction to her town reading him. She thinks scum him would have capitalized on it while his kind of paranoid reaction leans town.