In post 5649, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I’ll use my ability on you tonight Frog and you’ll die if you don’t move somewhere.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to accomplish
Me executing all wolves everywhere and your one if I’m right on this.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:37 pm
by Frogsterking
Why Enchant and Taly, of all players? I'm sure I have no connection with those two.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:38 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
In post 5653, Rad wrote:Fuck it I'll sheep t-bone on this. Where we going t-bone. I'm on Mala right now.
LOL
Wolves on thread.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:38 pm
by ProfessorDrapion
I’m out lol
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:38 pm
by Frogsterking
Wait what about your reads?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:39 pm
by Dunnstral
Here's my sales pitch:
Tala's slot has already claimed their role - neighbor.
Mala looks like they're going to pull out a pr claim in 5448
Johnny IDK
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:45 pm
by Cat Scratch Fever
In post 5646, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Actually no on second though CSF had a partner and won F5 in that game.
I TR’ed the one dude and he SR’ed me.
He TR’ed someone else that SR’ed him.
That someone else I SR’ed while they TR’ed me.
So CSF and their partner were just chilling in the back hoping we didn’t come to realize all 3 of us were town and won the game.
Spoiler:
It's not important, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you not confusing me with someone?
I only remember winning two scumgames before:
Pandamonium - we won with all 4 scum still alive
Masons and Mafia - I won in F3 after some spectacular distancing
This kind of feels like a lazy vote, because just by opening Dunn's ISO, it's clear he had already explained his reasoning a lot by this point. It's not really directly engaging with any of his points imo
@taly
This was entirely lost on me. When I entered the thread, all I read was
Klick
agreeing with a post where
Dunn
was pushing for a Mason claim, and the
Dunn
wagon was nonexistent so I felt it was a good prod. I didn't have the space to sort context. I figured my most effective way to get a reply was a vote. I was tired of voteparking on nothing anyway.
First, thanks for responding while at work
Second, I'm not actually sure this tracks? Like after your vote, Luke quoted a bunch of posts where he talked to Dunnstral about the merits of the other mason outing themself, and I think you saw it... but it still doesn't look like there was any follow up to the vote
In post 4134, Lukewarm wrote:I am of the opinion that Bernard should claim if he exists.
If no one claims masons with Roden, we kill Roden.
If someone does, we kill Dunn
VOTE: dunn
Porque
Yo necessito enlaces
Lots of quotes
Spoiler:
In post 4020, Dunnstral wrote:I think that a second mason should step forward or Roden should die.
I am willing to discuss this before leaping to action.
In post 4032, Lukewarm wrote:I am also starting to lean towards it being the right call for bernard to claim.
But, want to think on it more before committing to pushing that agenda.
Roden, what are your thoughts on whether Bernard should claim today, and if you think he doesn't what do you think about the no-flip messiness or how to avoid it
In post 4033, Lukewarm wrote:I actually think that most other people should not comment on this anymore, until after Roden does.
Every person commenting on it so far is kind of claiming Not Bernard.
Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
TBD
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99
To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.
These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.
Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion
These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.
Off The Hook
In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.
Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad
These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.
In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.
In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.
In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.
In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"
Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade
These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.
Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird
Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.
Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
TBD
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99
To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.
In post 3860, T-Bone wrote:We had to also reply to the game mod to confirm our roles...so Toog forgot that they would have replied neighbor or something like that to STD?
Actually that you reminded me we had to do that makes this worse in retrospect.
What do the neighbor players think of this?
That left 2 places that it was intended.
He was drafting a post, or he was grabbing it to take to his scum chat.
I wanted to see his big post before I decided which it was.
The method by which he was editing those reads lists is completely inconsistent with the post that he actually built.
Quoting reads lists, and enlarging text in 4060. Exclusively using [ Post] tags in 4079.
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After I saw the mason claim, I also did a check of who I thought that Roden's most likely mason partner was. My answer was Pooky.
I think that Dunn was grabbing those posts for a scum chat to suggest that his guess was that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, but accidentally posted it here.
Obviosuly, there is not a town motivation to highlight who you think Roden's mason partner is, so I think that this:
Was the best thing that he could come up with as to why he would have posted the reads list. He had already done the work narrowing down most of the player list (I was able to confidently discredit 20 of the 25 possibilities when I looked myself), so he just had to cross off the others.
I think that is why he then said that he was discarding anyone who put one another in Null, and is pretending like masons would not totally consider putting someone in null
Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.
Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173
PookyTheMagicalBear
The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.
This whole section of his post feels like they needed to be crossed off in order for him to explain his accidental post.
This is also, basically the list of people that I had as potential Roden mason partners, with Pooky being my best guess.
Even if we were to believe that Dunn was crossing off each player, there was no reason behind making 4060. It was clearly an accident and he is pretending it wasnt.
If it was intentional for here, I feel like it would have came with 4062 intrinsically as part of it. not 3 mins later.
In post 4126, Lukewarm wrote:Or you are scum, because you highlighted the exact reason why I thought that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, while pretending that you just proved that roden has no mason partner option.
Which I don't find believeable.
And I find it more believeable that you were purposefully trying to highlight that. Just not not in this thread.
These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.
Discount the people voting him.
Mood. Same.
Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion
These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.
Off The Hook
In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.
Lets discount the people that comments on the mason claim immediate.
Again, same. Sub out my own name for Dunn's, and that was my exact thinking.
Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad
These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.
In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.
In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.
In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.
In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"
Lets eliminate anyone that Roden has pushed.
Again, reasonable. This is exactly how I proceeded
Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade
These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.
Agreed, we can discount the people that we know are flavor neighbors with other people. I did the same thing.
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Then we hit the disconnect. Where his discredits of options to the point of being ready to out all of this, and push a mason claim stops being reasonable.
Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird
Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.
The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.
What methodolgy was used here?
He cross referenced Roden's reads lists across the other people.
And decided that if either party listed the other party as null, it is not impossible for them to be mason partners.
I don't buy this hard and distinct disconnect from reasonable reasons to discredit mason options to this.
At best, I think that this becomes the list of people that Dunn wants to look at more closely. But he is acting like he was ready to out the whole list already at this point.
Furthermore, with the similarities between these, what is the thing that puts pooky in his own category? why would pooky be the person that he quotes the reads lists for?
The fact that Roden was town reading Pooky
vs
Both players mutually null reading the other.
That is a reason to GUESS pooky, not discredit the pooky option, nor is there a reason to prioritize quoting his reads list earlier
(Further more, Pooky moves Roden to his town reads, and in the spread sheets the are mutually town reading one another. Which is part of why I guessed Pooky)
In post 4167, T-Bone wrote:Excluding 5 people besides Pooky for no reason is weird, but it's not like anyone one of those players couldn't come in and either affirm or dispute the claim. If it was me, I'd have just claimed and left Dunn's theory dead in the water. It's not really that manipulative imo, because if Roden is actually a mason and the partner claims then everything Dunn says is moot. It really only applies if Roden is fake claiming.
In post 4169, T-Bone wrote:So like maybe you can make an argument that Dunn knows Roden is fake claiming cause they are both scum...but that doesn't seem to be the argument you're making?
I don't think that scum!dunn wanted to make this argument.
I think that he intended to quote them, copy them, post them in a scum chat, but accidentally posted those reads lists here, and then was backed into explaining why he did that.
