Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Ankamius]

you kinda rolled over in police academy though, at the very least your impact on the game severely lessened over time after your Nosferatu case hit a brick wall and Titus became mechanically locktown

Yeah, my presence in the game took a drastic hit when the number of uncleared players was less than the number of mislynches I needed to pull off. But until that point I was THE townleader. I was THE universal townread. And I knew I was the scum taking things to endgame, because my partners clearly couldn't.

Comparitively, here, my partner who is known was also not someone who would have taken things to endgame. The fact that I haven't tried to be influential means one of two things: 1. I don't have to try in order to win the game. 2. I'm not trying to win the game as scum.

one question about this

if you entered the game with a DDL+grapes scumteam, what do you think would be the way the game would progress after N1?

[Ankamius]

try to defend his partner in a dwindling one

except my supposed partner has been my preferred lynch for like 3 days now.

that doesn't disprove my point at all though

I think you'd rather widen the lynchpool if your scumpartner was in the lynchpool than to stay lynching within that same pool.

[Liger_Zero]

I feel like if i dont get lynched now ill just get lynched in lylo
Sorry my contents been bad I guess. And sorry mcqueen too I shouldve stuck to my guns on you being towny for defending me
Not super confident in my reads atm but i still think its or/Liger. Esp or

VOTE: or

This post wasn't really what gave me doubts but I thought the mention of mcqueen was interesting.
Found the "my content is bad I guess" to be sort of townie.

I guess esp Liger too bc i dont believe he has any conviction im scum. Paranoia abt me flipping town doesnt rly look real

Cant help but be weirded out by Vediths talk w Dann there
He says hes paranoid of Dann but then starts talking to Dann abt why he (Vedith) is town

I can see the idea of my paranoia not being real because I wasn't extremely paranoid so I was just spouting thoughts as I was making posts, and I was only trying to initially entertain the idea that I was wrong.

Ftr im not gonna selfhammer or anything if i do get to L-1 bc thats dumb but i do wonder if just barely staying alive only to be the game winning mislynch would be worse than getting lynched here so i can stop being everyones favourite fallback obvscum slot and the game can actually feel winnable

Has a town kind of thought process to the situation of getting lynched.

And also @mcqueen i "sucked up to you" because scum has almost zero reason to defend me here
Whiteknighting me doesnt look good bc im scummy imo and my slots been in shit for most of the game
Thats how Ive been seeing it anyway

This addressing of mcqueen I thought was what gave me the most doubt. I don't think this would have been posted if Max was scum.

[Liger_Zero]

Does a scum!max go out of their way to address a dead player and explain themselves to that player? I kind of very much doubt it.

[Jingle]

if you entered the game with a DDL+grapes scumteam, what do you think would be the way the game would progress after N1?

I'd have turbobussed instead of rolling over on grapes, probably would have instigated a big blowup fight with PR in order to make it so people wouldn't listen to him about me, would have subtly undermined any forming townblocks, and would have turbobussed DDL for the cred.

I wouldn't have sat on my hands and let the thread play around me. I wouldn't have hardtownread Ali. I would have tried to convince em I was town. I would have put up more resistance to the wagons we had. And I would've done absolutely nothing to dismiss the ermagerd RC alive! paranoia that the town would have fallen to eventually. Seriously, lynching RC for the LYLO? Glorious.

[Dannflor]

Does a scum!max go out of their way to address a dead player and explain themselves to that player? I kind of very much doubt it.

No, probably not, that’s what struck me most.

[Vedith]

It could be a soft defend to being town.

[Ankamius]

if you entered the game with a DDL+grapes scumteam, what do you think would be the way the game would progress after N1?

I'd have turbobussed instead of rolling over on grapes, probably would have instigated a big blowup fight with PR in order to make it so people wouldn't listen to him about me, would have subtly undermined any forming townblocks, and would have turbobussed DDL for the cred.

I wouldn't have sat on my hands and let the thread play around me. I wouldn't have hardtownread Ali. I would have tried to convince em I was town. I would have put up more resistance to the wagons we had. And I would've done absolutely nothing to dismiss the ermagerd RC alive! paranoia that the town would have fallen to eventually. Seriously, lynching RC for the LYLO? Glorious.

okay good

yeah Jingle is town.

[Liger_Zero]

okay good

yeah Jingle is town

me = skeptical

[Jingle]

Also, to point this out:

I've been capable of being an active voice in this game. In the same time frame I've lurksacked here, I've modded games back to back in the micro queue, reviewed a ton of games, participated in the setup challenge threads, etc. More than a bit of this is public knowledge. I've had the time to effort this game, just not the motivation. And scum me only doesn't have motivation when the game's ending is a foregone conclusion.

[Liger_Zero]

That just seems like to me you have no excuse for not being an active voice to this point. And to use that to say "I am not scum because if I was I could have been an active voice" is saying you don't care about town games or something.

[Jingle]

It's not that simple, but yeah, that's more or less the point I'm making.

[Liger_Zero]

You gonna be an active voice from here on out?

[Ankamius]

okay good

yeah Jingle is town

me = skeptical

his assessment is roughly correct

he's capable of helping prevent these townblocks from forming and pushing a narrative without looking like he's pushing a narrative

the problem is... if he is scum with DDL, he's basically played against what he knows would make it far more likely to get him a winning result than just letting 2/3 of the game townblock up and just rail through the rest of the playerlist without that extra input from him

and of course he's going to be under fire when people eventually start realizing that the game isn't as simple as it appears, he pretty blatantly is not really doing anything

that's not what I'd expect from his scumgame.

[Liger_Zero]

okay good

yeah Jingle is town

me = skeptical

his assessment is roughly correct

he's capable of helping prevent these townblocks from forming and pushing a narrative without looking like he's pushing a narrative

the problem is... if he is scum with DDL, he's basically played against what he knows would make it far more likely to get him a winning result than just letting 2/3 of the game townblock up and just rail through the rest of the playerlist without that extra input from him

and of course he's going to be under fire when people eventually start realizing that the game isn't as simple as it appears, he pretty blatantly is not really doing anything

that's not what I'd expect from his scumgame.

What part of "he hasn't cared at all about this game" are you not getting?

[Jingle]

You gonna be an active voice from here on out?

God no.

I'm still bored as fuck with the gamestate. I'll be a voice. I'll say what I think. But there's nothing atm that can give me the motivation to tryhard this fucker.

Mostly because my townblock is still solid.





Kinda feeling an L0 here, tbh. He seems pissed that I'm unlynchable for a stupid reason.

[Dannflor]

It could be a soft defend to being town.

You think Max is scum?

[Ankamius]

I'm pretty sure he'd care as scum

[Jingle]

What part of "he hasn't cared at all about this game" are you not getting?

She gets it. It's just also why I'm town.

[Ankamius]

that was referring to jingle

[Vedith]

It could be a soft defend to being town.

You think Max is scum?

I think it's a good possibility.
I mean, I'm voting there.

[Ankamius]

Vedith what are your other reads atm?

[Dannflor]

It could be a soft defend to being town.

You think Max is scum?

I think it's a good possibility.
I mean, I'm voting there.

greater possibility than DDL?

[Liger_Zero]

I'm pretty sure he'd care as scum

Pretty sure that isn't a thing or doesn't matter.

[Ankamius]

have you played with jingle before lol