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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:04 pm
by MathBlade
I am just gonna pretend the post above didn’t happen. Thanks for the town comment though.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:06 pm
by Nero Cain
In post 3596, Nero Cain wrote:
but why him and not any of the three players @ the end? that's where I'd expect to find scum if there were any.
In post 5169, DiamondSentinel wrote: In post 4971, Nero Cain wrote:Why is DS town, SB? I felt like his "oh I'm so annoyed @ Nero!" b/c I feel like there's a good chance that scum bussed Gamma and it came from 1 or more of TPG, Chemist or DS. I mean you could argue that DS actully reacting was a town reaction as where chemist and TPG just totally ignored it (at least I think but I don't ever remember a reaction.)
Are you blind or dumb? Or illiterate?
I was defending gamma and was leading the counter wagon. If you’re going to claim I’m scum, at least fucking read instead of speaking out your ass.
In post 5179, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Your reasoning for scum reading was literally “gamma was being bussed by one of someone, someone, and DS”.
I get it. You don’t actually care about internal consistency. But still.
Also, @A50. I’m done dealing with this shit (this shit not concerning you). We need to start weeding through these 3P. I won’t be egocentric and say it had to be Nero, but I think that you being a king for a day would be a solid opportunity to sort through it.
In post 5198, DiamondSentinel wrote:Alright Nero. I think I’ve figured it out. If you’re not scum, then you must actually have 2 split personalities that share no information between the two. That is the only way that there could be such a massive disparity and lack of consistency between the shit you spew.
In post 5227, DiamondSentinel wrote: In post 5225, Nero Cain wrote:the guy accused me of being inconsistent and then can't back it up then argues that b/c it was a "lolhammer" it couldn't have been a scum bud hammering a scumbud for town cred.
Bro, you’re raising gaslighting to an art form.
I’ve pointed out multiple ways that you were inconsistent. Hopefully the other players graduated from kindergarten and learned to read, unlike you.
This shit’s kept me up for longer than I should have let it. Good riddance.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:08 pm
by Nero Cain
In post 5699, mastina wrote:That you, Mathblade, Pickaxe Pete, and DiamondSentinel, in spite of participating in this paranoia-behavior, are all town
do NOT lump me in with this crazy lady
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:10 pm
by mastina
In post 5699, mastina wrote: In post 5395, Something_Smart wrote: In post 5392, Nero Cain wrote:scum HAVE to break the hood up. They know they can't hunt outside of the hood b/c any lynches outside of the hood just result in them being POEd.
how can this be true? wouldn't the game be absurdly townsided if this were the case?
The thing is.
I feel like the game was designed, by the moderator, with the expectation that both three-man third parties would not trust each other and that the town wouldn't trust both of them, that the town would trust either neither of them or only one of them.
If the game was designed where the town wouldn't trust both 3-man 3ps as town, and that the 3ps wouldn't trust each other, then the setup makes a lot of sense. That distrust in one another means that no massive townbloc forms and that the scum cannot be easily poe'd.
But
with
the mutual trust going on, with all six of the 3ps trusting each other to be basically conftown, and the town at large largely trusting them to be conftown...it was probably not designed to happen that way, but with it having happened that way, scum are in a position where they can be easily POE'd.
Thus, it is within scum's best interest to try literally every tactic to break up the townbloc, to make the 6+ conftown try to think of each other not as conftown, to regain suspicion on them. If scum succeeded at this, then poe wouldn't condemn them; the setup would have less information confirmed, the scum could hide much easier.
Which is why that sort of paranoia is incredibly antitown and pro-scum.
I happen to be of the opinion that of the players doing it, the only one actually scum is DDL.
That you, Mathblade, Pickaxe Pete, and DiamondSentinel, in spite of participating in this paranoia-behavior, are all town.
But the suspicion on your slots for shading people that should be treated as conftown is understandable because
shading the people that should be treated as conftown is
literally the only way scum can win this game
.
Let's bring this to the next page for emphasis.
The tl;dr:
I feel the setup was designed for the town/3p1/3p2 to not trust each other.
By and large, the town/3p1/3p2 ended up trusting each other--due to the setup not being designed for this, it is inherently townsided as a consequence due to a massive "town"bloc forming.
Scum can easily be poe'd because there are at least seven names that their only respite from is to nightkill them, because those seven names cannot be eliminated during the day due to having formed a "town"bloc.
The only way scum can prevent this is by shading/doubtcasting/ceding paranoia about the "town"bloc and trying to make them less town than they are--thus
doing this is a pro-scum move, and if you have done it,
this is largely why suspicion on your slot has grown
.
But while I recognize the antitownness of the behavior, I happen to think the majority of the people doing it, contrary to those who're suspicious of the behavior and think it makes the slots scum, are town, town who don't realize the consequences as outlined above.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:13 pm
by Nero Cain
counterpoint: S_S's claim to fame is a mechanical wiz. Do you really feel like town him wouldn't recognize what the setup is designed as?
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:13 pm
by MathBlade
Mastina, there’s not enough words or hugs or anything that make me wish you didn’t post those last two posts. There’s no fuckin way I can save this game now. Wow. Just wow.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:14 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 5699, mastina wrote:I feel like the game was designed, by the moderator, with the expectation that both three-man third parties would not trust each other and that the town wouldn't trust both of them, that the town would trust either neither of them or only one of them.
Why is that?
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:14 pm
by MathBlade
In post 5701, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3596, Nero Cain wrote:
but why him and not any of the three players @ the end? that's where I'd expect to find scum if there were any.
In post 5169, DiamondSentinel wrote: In post 4971, Nero Cain wrote:Why is DS town, SB? I felt like his "oh I'm so annoyed @ Nero!" b/c I feel like there's a good chance that scum bussed Gamma and it came from 1 or more of TPG, Chemist or DS. I mean you could argue that DS actully reacting was a town reaction as where chemist and TPG just totally ignored it (at least I think but I don't ever remember a reaction.)
Are you blind or dumb? Or illiterate?
I was defending gamma and was leading the counter wagon. If you’re going to claim I’m scum, at least fucking read instead of speaking out your ass.
In post 5179, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Your reasoning for scum reading was literally “gamma was being bussed by one of someone, someone, and DS”.
I get it. You don’t actually care about internal consistency. But still.
Also, @A50. I’m done dealing with this shit (this shit not concerning you). We need to start weeding through these 3P. I won’t be egocentric and say it had to be Nero, but I think that you being a king for a day would be a solid opportunity to sort through it.
In post 5198, DiamondSentinel wrote:Alright Nero. I think I’ve figured it out. If you’re not scum, then you must actually have 2 split personalities that share no information between the two. That is the only way that there could be such a massive disparity and lack of consistency between the shit you spew.
In post 5227, DiamondSentinel wrote: In post 5225, Nero Cain wrote:the guy accused me of being inconsistent and then can't back it up then argues that b/c it was a "lolhammer" it couldn't have been a scum bud hammering a scumbud for town cred.
Bro, you’re raising gaslighting to an art form.
I’ve pointed out multiple ways that you were inconsistent. Hopefully the other players graduated from kindergarten and learned to read, unlike you.
This shit’s kept me up for longer than I should have let it. Good riddance.
I will give Diamond Sentinel a solid review later. Promise.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:16 pm
by Bell
Suddenly, I am missing from Mastina's posts and even I think from a quote edit of morning's and
I feel like later Mastina's going to do a post-reveal about why I'm town or something.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:20 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 5704, Nero Cain wrote:counterpoint: S_S's claim to fame is a mechanical wiz. Do you really feel like town him wouldn't recognize what the setup is designed as?
It's not about recognition; it's not as though my mechanical aptitude grants me the superpower of knowing what the point of the setup is. I have to guess just like everyone else. It's just that my guesses are more informed than a lot of people's, and I think it's likely that a faction with this much control over the game was given that control because it has its own goals it has to accomplish that are not exactly in line with everyone else's.
That said. I have liked mastina's posts today far more than I liked them yesterday, and in particular I find them far less manipulative and authoritarian. Nero too, though his opinion of me is a bit silly, has seemed reasonably genuine. So I'm mostly at a point where I'm fine with cooperating with the hood, just also keeping an eye on them.
But I definitely don't want to see you guys try to strongarm something else like you did with April. If you do that, expect some pushback from me.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:24 pm
by MathBlade
In post 5708, Bell wrote:Suddenly, I am missing from Mastina's posts and even I think from a quote edit of morning's and
I feel like later Mastina's going to do a post-reveal about why I'm town or something.
Just let it go. Focus on non hood.
I have kinda accepted they’re just gonna do stupid things.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:26 pm
by Bell
K, I'm gunna go make that list now.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:26 pm
by Nero Cain
i feel the same way about u
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:27 pm
by MathBlade
Some things. Some things never change.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:28 pm
by Nero Cain
strongly agree
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:29 pm
by DrDolittle
If I have a vote this day I would vote mastina
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:30 pm
by DrDolittle
I frankly don't think donatellos army is as big of a threat as the "conf town 3p crew"
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:32 pm
by MathBlade
Hey Titus can i has one of those things you gave A50 to smash DDL with please?
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:33 pm
by DiamondSentinel
Jeez. You're like actually throwing at this point, no? It's nearly impossible to not see you as scum RN.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:34 pm
by Nero Cain
i'll give u 1 later
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:34 pm
by DrDolittle
Sure, if you like slamming town. Like this lobby has been so unplesant to play with I'm having very little investment into the game
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:34 pm
by MathBlade
In post 5718, DiamondSentinel wrote:Jeez. You're like actually throwing at this point, no? It's nearly impossible to not see you as scum RN.
Lmao turn about is fair play I suppose for my diamond context earlier.
I know you meant DDL but karma is hilarious.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:35 pm
by Nero Cain
these arms are made for dancing not throwing.
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:35 pm
by mastina
In post 5486, superbowl9 wrote:Tbf, i feel like a lot of this game has been whataboutisms recently. “Oh what if xyz thing is true about the alliance? What if we tried to elim outside mod confirmed scum? What if we didn’t protect our confirmed town?”
I feel like i am fighting just to maintain occam’s razor here
For the record, superbowl9, I didn't know you well before this game but seeing you in this game you're a pretty awesome player.
I vibe with you a lot here. <3
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:35 pm
by DrDolittle
If you scum read me wrong it's your perogative don't take it out on me