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Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:28 am
by Creature
Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:14 pm
by chennisden
lets do rc coal pls cuz I think it wins

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:19 pm
by Titus
In post 5714, RadiantCowbells wrote:If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it

Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge
I'd never agree to a blind coalition before. Now the alternative is you do the smarter play improv, well...

My vote is easy.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:19 pm
by Chemist1422
In post 5725, Creature wrote:Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}
Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:20 pm
by Titus
In post 5728, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 5725, Creature wrote:Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}
Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?
Why not ask if he thinks you're scum? This is awkward wording.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:21 pm
by Chemist1422
In post 5729, Titus wrote:
In post 5728, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 5725, Creature wrote:Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}
Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?
Why not ask if he thinks you're scum? This is awkward wording.
shh I'm trying to bait him

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:57 pm
by MariaR
I think we're all just waiting for something at this point. But just vote the coal so it can fail

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:19 pm
by Titus
In post 5731, MariaR wrote:I think we're all just waiting for something at this point. But just vote the coal so it can fail
Yeah. Day 6 starts immediately and I'll ssit on my hands and vote anything not 1 of 4 after confirming the pools.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:33 pm
by Creature
In post 5728, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 5725, Creature wrote:Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}
Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?
I'm not sure. If you're not scum then we've got to find who from Nance, RC, Skygazer is scum.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:41 pm
by Titus
In post 5733, Creature wrote:
In post 5728, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 5725, Creature wrote:Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}
Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?
I'm not sure. If you're not scum then we've got to find who from Nance, RC, Skygazer is scum.
Why not multiples? I'm starting to believe there may not be scum outside the coalition. Of course, that could be stubbornness but I am shocked at the resistance. If there was scum outside the coalition, you'd think they'd heavy push my plan.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:42 pm
by Creature
In post 5734, Titus wrote:
In post 5733, Creature wrote:
In post 5728, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 5725, Creature wrote:Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}
Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?
I'm not sure. If you're not scum then we've got to find who from Nance, RC, Skygazer is scum.
Why not multiples? I'm starting to believe there may not be scum outside the coalition. Of course, that could be stubbornness but I am shocked at the resistance. If there was scum outside the coalition, you'd think they'd heavy push my plan.
Cool.

Who are the scumteam from Chem, Nance, RC, Sky and me?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:42 pm
by Creature
Could be the resistance comes from town?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:00 pm
by Titus
In post 5736, Creature wrote:Could be the resistance comes from town?
Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:02 pm
by Titus
In post 5735, Creature wrote:
In post 5734, Titus wrote:
In post 5733, Creature wrote:
In post 5728, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 5725, Creature wrote:Challenge: design a scumteam combination of {Chemist, Creature, Nance, RC, Skygazer}
Not taking you up on that one

Creature, I've got a quick question for you. Do you think we're TvS?
I'm not sure. If you're not scum then we've got to find who from Nance, RC, Skygazer is scum.
Why not multiples? I'm starting to believe there may not be scum outside the coalition. Of course, that could be stubbornness but I am shocked at the resistance. If there was scum outside the coalition, you'd think they'd heavy push my plan.
Cool.

Who are the scumteam from Chem, Nance, RC, Sky and me?
Dunno. Shit is weird though.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:50 pm
by NanceFloor
In post 5737, Titus wrote:
In post 5736, Creature wrote:Could be the resistance comes from town?
Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information
but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:51 pm
by NanceFloor
In post 5675, BNL wrote:
Vote Count 5.2.2
0verki11, chennisden, MariaR, Moongrass, Succinct, Time Devil, Titus
(2): ,
Creature, MariaR, Moongrass, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, Titus
(1):
chennisden, MariaR, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, Succinct, Titus
(1):

Not Voting (8): RadiantCowbells, Time Devil, Succinct, Creature, Skygazer, NanceFloor, Chemist1422, 0verki11

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to select a coalition of 7.

The deadline for choosing a coalition is 2 June 4:30am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-06-02 04:30:00)

Mod notes:

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:54 pm
by NanceFloor
In post 5714, RadiantCowbells wrote:If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it

Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge
Why can’t you tell us what it is first? But it’s got to be better than Titus’, which is guaranteed to fail. At this point, I just want anything to go through. I pretty much stopped caring about this game after we vetoed PB.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:57 pm
by Titus
In post 5739, NanceFloor wrote:
In post 5737, Titus wrote:
In post 5736, Creature wrote:Could be the resistance comes from town?
Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information
but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann
They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:59 pm
by NanceFloor
In post 5721, Succinct wrote:
In post 5713, Time Devil wrote:
In post 5708, chennisden wrote:nonono we can win right now
How?
Can I say the idea of confirming it wasn't 3-0's absurd and seems like a total waste?
In post 5714, RadiantCowbells wrote:If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it
Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge
I don't exactly trust you, but if your plan isn't simply "let's do Titus's plan", I immediately trust it more than I do Titus's.
+1

You should have been here when we did veto, maybe you could have gotten people to listen to my 3 in coalition veto plan and we’d still have PB in the game.

Of the available options, I think any coalition that doesn’t have either Chemist/Creature and TD/Moon, has a very good chance of passing. With PB, probably a lock but meh.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:02 pm
by Titus
In post 5743, NanceFloor wrote:
In post 5721, Succinct wrote:
In post 5713, Time Devil wrote:
In post 5708, chennisden wrote:nonono we can win right now
How?
Can I say the idea of confirming it wasn't 3-0's absurd and seems like a total waste?
In post 5714, RadiantCowbells wrote:If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it
Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge
I don't exactly trust you, but if your plan isn't simply "let's do Titus's plan", I immediately trust it more than I do Titus's.
+1

You should have been here when we did veto, maybe you could have gotten people to listen to my 3 in coalition veto plan and we’d still have PB in the game.

Of the available options, I think any coalition that doesn’t have either Chemist/Creature and TD/Moon, has a very good chance of passing. With PB, probably a lock but meh.
Veto was always going to kill one town. The better play was 4 and then doing the coalition to create two irrevocable boxes that trap scum or autowin.

We also should not who died with PB. Clemency. That's someone no one was TRing. That gives greater credence that at least one of Chemist and Creature is scum.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:05 pm
by NanceFloor
In post 5742, Titus wrote:
In post 5739, NanceFloor wrote:
In post 5737, Titus wrote:
In post 5736, Creature wrote:Could be the resistance comes from town?
Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information
but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann
They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.
I seriously doubt that’s possible. I just can’t see a world where either RC or Sky are scum here, since I can’t see
both
Chemist/Creature being scum because of the dance pairings. I think one of Chemist/Creature + TD/Moon is my best current guess for the scumteam.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:26 pm
by NanceFloor
Spoiler:
In post 5744, Titus wrote:
In post 5743, NanceFloor wrote:
In post 5721, Succinct wrote:
In post 5713, Time Devil wrote:
In post 5708, chennisden wrote:nonono we can win right now
How?
Can I say the idea of confirming it wasn't 3-0's absurd and seems like a total waste?
In post 5714, RadiantCowbells wrote:If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it
Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge
I don't exactly trust you, but if your plan isn't simply "let's do Titus's plan", I immediately trust it more than I do Titus's.


+1

You should have been here when we did veto, maybe you could have gotten people to listen to my 3 in coalition veto plan and we’d still have PB in the game.

Of the available options, I think any coalition that doesn’t have either Chemist/Creature and TD/Moon, has a very good chance of passing. With PB, probably a lock but meh.[/quote]
Veto was always going to kill one town. The better play was 4 and then doing the coalition to create two irrevocable boxes that trap scum or autowin.

We also should not who died with PB. Clemency. That's someone no one was TRing. That gives greater credence that at least one of Chemist and Creature is scum. ~ Titus
[/quote]

That’s my point, had we substituted either TD or Moon for PB, we’d now know which one, because no way either TD/Moon were dying in that scenario, so one of Creature/Chemist would be dead along with Clemency and the survivor likely confiscum.

The dance pairings would suggest Chemist over Creature though because since Creature is arguably a more high investment player, it far less likely that scum!Creature pairs with town!Chemist than scum!Chemist pairing with town!Creature because he has been a much more low investment player but in any case, scum pairing both Chemist/Creature scum together is highly unlikely.

I also have strong reasons for thinking TD/Moon are 2/3 of the remaining scumteam.

Fuscosco’s interactions with both of them are strange. Fuscosco kept referring to TD as “lazy” and Mbaki was hard pushing vengeful over dance, which could have won scum the game so long as 2/3 scum voted it. Mbaki’s reasoning for pushing vengeful over dance were bs. He kept saying town controlled that more than dance. Untrue, because we got to vote for lynch or no lynch but with vengeful, all it takes was two scum pushing a mislynch to win them the game and if otoh scum were the lynch, they could just VK obvtown, so Venge=win/win for scum no matter what.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:26 pm
by Titus
In post 5745, NanceFloor wrote:
In post 5742, Titus wrote:
In post 5739, NanceFloor wrote:
In post 5737, Titus wrote:
In post 5736, Creature wrote:Could be the resistance comes from town?
Possible but I would expect scum to support my plan although my plan is logically optimal, it provides no short term information
but what if

scum is supporting your plan ¿

- dann
They pretty much aren't. The closest thing to a supporter is Moongrass. That dude's been crickets.

Second, my coalition is not guaranteed to fail. If we suppose you town for sake of argument, only 3 others in the original coalition would need to be scum. It's theoretically possible my coalition wins the game.

It's also an argument I want to close off from scum.
I seriously doubt that’s possible. I just can’t see a world where either RC or Sky are scum here, since I can’t see
both
Chemist/Creature being scum because of the dance pairings. I think one of Chemist/Creature + TD/Moon is my best current guess for the scumteam.
What's to stop your proposed scumteam from killing me and then arguing that I'm correct though? By doing my coalition plan, you protect your townread from that argument and show that the thought is paranoia.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:27 pm
by Titus
In post 5746, NanceFloor wrote:That’s my point, had we substituted either TD or Moon for PB, we’d now know which one, because no way either TD/Moon were dying in that scenario, so one of Creature/Chemist would be dead along with Clemency and the survivor likely confiscum.
I would shoot TD or Moon as I hard TR both slots based on behavior and dance strategy.

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:31 pm
by NanceFloor
Spoiler:
In post 856, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 627, OkaPoka wrote:mbaki are you trying to get wagoned
Actually, my impression is that of concise play. Im tempted to write it off as town, but direct scum may be too?
In post 643, Time Devil wrote:Fusco, why you voting me gurl?
pressure vote to sort players. I think this nancefloor explosion is the most happening thing this game thus far.
In post 646, mbaki wrote:I am town, and it is a waste to pursue me right now.
my my my
said the spider to the fly
In post 649, chennisden wrote:Just letting you know, a town mislynch is strictly better than a no-lynch!
what?

VOTE: chen
In post 664, mbaki wrote:We have 4 days. Please relax Chen.

Oka lynch is cool. I
think
Shadow is town, for some pretty garbage reasons.

I am not placing a vote. I will be voting by end of day, do not worry.
This post tells me they arent so uninterested in this game. they have notes and are playing.
In post 860, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 857, mbaki wrote:(no offense)
busting your stones, amoung other things.
In post 862, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 859, mbaki wrote:Yes.
I hate tight-lipped people. I feel like youre fairly open here, and that scares me even more.
In post 864, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 861, NanceFloor wrote:. In what world do you read that as making any attempt at all to try to sincerely sort us.
In what world is the proper response is to push his lynch over what you believe is an ineffective push? Its an issue where your response to his push is to push him for the same quality of material as he was pushing you with.
In post 865, Fuscosco wrote:Ignore him for now, and see where he goes?
In post 866, Fuscosco wrote:Cant go after every jerkhead who picks a bone with you.
In post 870, Fuscosco wrote:If his push is weak then he will be lynched eventually. its too early to focus on one person only. it stymies progress, and we have enough of that rn


Weird Fuscosco TD/Moon interactions.