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Some games it'd just be bad.

THIS game? No.

That's called keeping your options open

Meransiel hasn't done much to change my read on him.
In other words, I'm fine with

what's interesting about this situation is how Meransiel seems to believe that he's being voted for VI, but thats really not the case here. So yeah, really poor defense, even if most of it is directed towards his scumbuddy wraith.

L-1

Wrath versus Hiraki hurt my brain. It’s like a slap-fight on SouthPark.

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Wrath wrote:I'm not a Miller at this point. There has not been a single opportunity for an investigation, so why does it matter if I claim post #1 or post #120 if it is still day one? I'm not a miller today and I won't be tomorrow and the following days who knows, it depends. If it weren't for trying to confirm Sera as town based on the miller wording that I too have in my Role PM, I don't even think it was necessary to claim Miller until I actually become a miller.

I disagree. Claiming Miller immediately is paramount to the believability of the claim. If there is the possibility of you becoming Miller via some unknown Trigger you should have brought it out immediately.

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Toasty wrote:So yeah, looking back I see the point that SpyreX was merely trying to come to an understanding with Seraphim's role, but why should that matter to him? What if there was more to Seraphim's role than just a miller? I personally feel that any information scum doesn't have, they shouldn't have.

Asking for source flavor in no way would cause Seraphim to divuldge any non-Miller part of his role. So this sort of “scum get extra information” isn’t a valid concern, IMO, any your continual clinging to it is suspect.

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Spyrex wrote:I still can't pin down the Drapathy town but its there.
Dekes is REAL bad for his weird Toasy + MoI = BFF business.
The others can go into the pit.

Can you give me links to lazy Dram = Town? I can’t say I have much experience with him as a player other than a few games LONG ago.

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Maxous wrote:1) My comment was directed towards Ant - TTM
2) No, this is not a vaild scum move by WC. Why would I vote him in any shape or form?

Impression also received you did'nt read why I was voting Maruchan.

1. I looked back and see my impression was incorrect.
2. Actually Wrath did claim that Spyrex was role-fishing in Wrath’s ISO 0. And yes, that is a scum-move.
3. I did see your vote for Maru in 240. I find it very weak when there are better (IMO) wagons out there.

Looking through your ISO I see lots of vote-hopping to weaker players (Meran, Maru) and lurkers (Scott, Dekes). In fact you voted Dekes in post 173 with no direct explanation or reasoning at all. Is wagonning low hanging fruit your normal playstyle?

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Hiraki wrote:Is that really worth a lynch?

Not now.

Oh, so it would be worth a lynch at some later point?

Hiraki wrote:HEY DRAM.

DID YOU HAVE FF6 AS YOUR SIG FOR A THEME GAME?

When exactly did this happen again? I don’t ever remember seeing Dram advertising ANYTHING FF6 related when I’ve been on site. Please provide context.

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Rayfrost wrote:Why is it that the largest commentary by hiraki is replying to wrathchild rather than actually making a case on me?

This I find to be an excellent point.

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LLD wrote: Put down that stone, sweetie. You're in a glass house.

This still doesn’t invalidate the fact that your and your predecessors ISOs are pretty much devoid of Pro-Town play. Your “luzl, reaction-testing’ doesn’t count.

MoI wrote:When exactly did this happen again? I don’t ever remember seeing Dram advertising ANYTHING FF6 related when I’ve been on site. Please provide context.

Just realized that was you.

Still, Dram's avatar reminds me of a Choboco. I know that I remember dram with something FF related.

MoI wrote:
Oh, so it would be worth a lynch at some later point?

You're going for the nitpicky argument again. Perhaps if something is flawed later on, then yes it would be a point to attack on.

At the moment, it is not.

↑ ToastyToast wrote:
Not to mention that its a very dull, forced argument.

I'm not sure what this is referring to.

↑ Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You're bad at this, aren't you?
Ever heard of a reaction test?

¬_¬
You unvoted before merinsiel responded. And avoided answering what you got from the reaction.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
1. I looked back and see my impression was incorrect.
2. Actually Wrath did claim that Spyrex was role-fishing in Wrath’s ISO 0. And yes, that is a scum-move.
3. I did see your vote for Maru in 240. I find it very weak when there are better (IMO) wagons out there.

Looking through your ISO I see lots of vote-hopping to weaker players (Meran, Maru) and lurkers (Scott, Dekes). In fact you voted Dekes in post 173 with no direct explanation or reasoning at all. Is wagonning low hanging fruit your normal playstyle?

For 2) I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to WC's delayed miller claim.

For 3) Weak? Maru blatantly lied about suspecting someone as scum because he thought that person was attacking him for being scum.
The objective of the game is catch those who fake and lie about thier suspicons yes?
I really, really don't get how the reasoning is weak. Or is it the player being weak you have an issue with?

btw my playstyle is to lynch those who I think are scum. I'm not concerned if you or anyone else thinks they're easy lynches or whatnot.

That'd be a damn fat chocobo!
Also, waiting on that ~magic~ claim of yours Meransiel!

Ray wrote:Why is it that the largest commentary by hiraki is replying to wrathchild rather than actually making a case on me?

Because I don't really care about you.

I'm not sure if WrathChild is scum or just bad.

I'm still swaying.

↑ Hiraki wrote:

Ray wrote:Why is it that the largest commentary by hiraki is replying to wrathchild rather than actually making a case on me?

Because I don't really care about you.

I'm not sure if WrathChild is scum or just bad.

I'm still swaying.

>Vote is on me

>"I don't care about you"

>K

↑ Hiraki wrote:I've been flipflopping on him.

Let him live for today.

I like this RayFrost wagon.

even if he doesn't get pressured.

Also relevant post.

Aww.

You finally voted me.

Wait, Ray didn't declare he is willing to hammer me, but voted Hiraki instead?

Either I'm living in a world where every single scum plays suboptimally, or my reads were wrong. Leaning on latter.

The activity this game is pathetic. Clearly there are scum floating around in the lurker brigade.

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Hiraki wrote:You're going for the nitpicky argument again. Perhaps if something is flawed later on, then yes it would be a point to attack on.

At the moment, it is not.

It certainly isn’t a ‘nitpicky’ argument. Things don’t magically become more scummy just by the passage of Days. A statement that would be scummy Day 2 or later is still scummy if made on Day 1.

Your statement basically said – “Yes, this is scummy but it is too early to hang me for it.”

Hiraki wrote:Aww.

You finally voted me.

So Rayfrost calls you out for playing 100% defense and not actually attempting at all to make a case on him (even thought he is scum to you). He votes you. And we get this?

UNVOTE: Wrathchild
VOTE: Hiraki

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Maxous wrote:For 3) Weak? Maru blatantly lied about suspecting someone as scum because he thought that person was attacking him for being scum.
The objective of the game is catch those who fake and lie about thier suspicons yes?
I really, really don't get how the reasoning is weak. Or is it the player being weak you have an issue with?

If you can explain the dominant scum motivation for his ‘lie’ that benefits his wincon please do so. I’ve yet to see anything so far that does.

Maxous wrote:btw my playstyle is to lynch those who I think are scum. I'm not concerned if you or anyone else thinks they're easy lynches or whatnot.

And convinenatly your only scum reads are

1. Weaker players.
2. Lurkers

I see not a peep directed at anyone who might pose a threat at actually firing back at you in a manner that might put you in danger. I find that to be indicative of ‘safe’ or ‘fake’ scum-hunting personally.

@MoI: What is your opinion on the Meran-Wagon? When we were scumbuddies in American Gods, you took pride in hammering town 3 days in a row. I noticed you are not hammering Meran.

↑ WrathChild wrote:@MoI: What is your opinion on the Meran-Wagon? When we were scumbuddies in American Gods, you took pride in hammering town 3 days in a row. I noticed you are not hammering Meran.

If I thought he was scum I'd already have voted him or told him I'd hammer.

I don't. My read is based on my direct experience with Meran as Town. This Day 1 play is very similar to multiple games including Superhero Mafia and Death of ReaperCharlie.

Of course I haven't directly seen a Meran scum game so I do have a meta whole I suppose.

That said his posting of late, especially his exchange with LLD, has reinforced my read.

- why shouldn't I be turning my vote right around on you since your question here is framed from the perspective of someone who knows Meran is Town aka scum?

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

↑ WrathChild wrote:@MoI: What is your opinion on the Meran-Wagon? When we were scumbuddies in American Gods, you took pride in hammering town 3 days in a row. I noticed you are not hammering Meran.

If I thought he was scum I'd already have voted him or told him I'd hammer.

I don't. My read is based on my direct experience with Meran as Town. This Day 1 play is very similar to multiple games including Superhero Mafia and Death of ReaperCharlie.

Of course I haven't directly seen a Meran scum game so I do have a meta whole I suppose.

That said his posting of late, especially his exchange with LLD, has reinforced my read.

Here's the question

- why shouldn't I be turning my vote right around on you since your question here is framed from the perspective of someone who knows Meran is Town aka scum?

Actually I do believe it's from the perspective of a player who wants to put suspicion on town when his buddy flips.

I've said I have a town read on Meran ever since I read his ISO. Nothing has changed (except I was a little surprised he didn't post his ass-saving claim yet). The question was to learn more about you and really there were several possiblities:
A) You are town and aren't as hammer happy when town.
B) You are scum and so is Meran, hence the no hammer.
C) You are town and Meran is scum, and playing the poor me card perfectly.

However, the option I don't see as a possiblity is that you are scum and Meran is town. I don't see C as very likely, leaving A or B. Your response tells me A. Of course I'll get half a dozen A-holes telling me I'm an idiot for this, Meta-Shifting, blah blah blah, but that was my thought process.

Good morning everyone.
All my tests are done and catching up now.

@MoI: Are you suspicious of LLD?

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

@MOD - Please prod Dekes and ScottB if they are not V/LA. It is past 72 hours since their last post.

Can you give me links to lazy Dram = Town? I can’t say I have much experience with him as a player other than a few games LONG ago.

Its not OMG meta because funk that. Its more a function of this style of apathy if that makes sense.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
If you can explain the dominant scum motivation for his ‘lie’ that benefits his wincon please do so. I’ve yet to see anything so far that does.

=> Maru thinks someone calls him scum and therefore he is likely to push for Maru lynch.
=> Maru sees an opportunity to call this person scum to discredit the suspicion, and deflect attention off of himself.
=> Assuming he is scum, benefits(improves chance of succeding) Maru's win condition by attempting to not get lynched.

Magna wrote:
I see not a peep directed at anyone who might pose a threat at actually firing back at you in a manner that might put you in danger.

Kay, fine.
Who should I be suspecting that will 'pose a threat to me'?

I agree that it appears RayFrost was just looking for an excuse to vote Hiraki.

↑ WrathChild wrote:

Here's the Answer:

I've said I have a town read on Meran ever since I read his ISO. Nothing has changed (except I was a little surprised he didn't post his ass-saving claim yet). The question was to learn more about you and really there were several possiblities:
A) You are town and aren't as hammer happy when town.
B) You are scum and so is Meran, hence the no hammer.
C) You are town and Meran is scum, and playing the poor me card perfectly.

However, the option I don't see as a possiblity is that you are scum and Meran is town. I don't see C as very likely, leaving A or B. Your response tells me A. Of course I'll get half a dozen A-holes telling me I'm an idiot for this, Meta-Shifting, blah blah blah, but that was my thought process.

Can we kill him yet?

Like, I enjoy his options, mostly for the fact that they aren't complete.