Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[implosion]

[quote]Implosions' early posts made me think he was a great analytical and thorough player, but I suppose that is not the case as his recent posting is full of proclamations and waffling. Care to show up to the game Implosion, or is this how you always play?[quote]
It's a large game. I'm not going to comment on every player on day one.

I usually find it easier to do shit in large games after day one either way. Like in the first cyclic experiment. The town was basically depressed by like day three because we had no scumflips, but we eventually managed to gain momentum. As more info appears, it's easier to do stuff.

[Stringer Bell]

Implosions' early posts made me think he was a great analytical and thorough player, but I suppose that is not the case as his recent posting is full of proclamations and waffling. Care to show up to the game Implosion, or is this how you always play?

It's a large game. I'm not going to comment on every player on day one.

I usually find it easier to do shit in large games after day one either way. Like in the first cyclic experiment. The town was basically depressed by like day three because we had no scumflips, but we eventually managed to gain momentum. As more info appears, it's easier to do stuff.

To add on to this point, while I didn't play in the first cyclic experiment, I did go back and skim through the game, trying to see what worked and what didn't. The thing I thought helped the town the most was the mapping out of all the abilities, but it takes a few nights of movement to see where the abilities go and to be able to draw any conclusions with the map.

[Furcolow]

I agree, Implosion. To those of you who don't know, I played in the first cyclic experiment as well, in a hydra with Vi. There really isn't much to go on d1. I have given who I believe to be scum from meta, and considering the omgusing and flailing crypto did (I know I've been asked to explain this, but I do not like giving out meta tells on someone) it is not his town game... So even in this abyss that D1 is for town, I have attempted to do my part.

I'm sorry if I haven't read every line... I haven't. However, I've read the majority of posts, and certain players completely in iso. It's d1.
When we see who can pass to who, and start getting confirmations based upon night actions to make clears, then it will be easier to deductively reason out who are scum.

To play devil's advocate on that note, a bit, though, it is probably best to not outguess the mod in a large theme.

[Furcolow]

I am now believing DrunkenPiper, Junpei, and DGB to be my top 3 scum reads
I have removed my suspicion of Implosion for now

[projectmatt]

Diddin not a probable lynch today.

@Stringer Bell, using scumtells as scumtells is okay, but you have to understand that they are situational. Something being a scumtell depends on the player, what the player is doing, and how you think the said player would act in the situation when something is been viewed as a "scumtell". It's easy for town to say stupid things, it's harder for scum to towntell effectively, which is why it's easier to look for town and that makes me struggle in the day one of a twenty-five person game.

I've gotten town tells from:

crypto
EtherealCookie
nopointinactingup (not a confident town read at all)
FourseenCircumstance
Toogeloo
Junpei (slightly)
Magna (slightly)

I like the idea of a Stringer lynch, like the idea of a warriormode lynch even more. Do not understand the vote on nopoint at all.

[Junpei]

See: those reads, ignoring my obvious bias on the second one, make no sense.

How do you have a scumread on DBG/DrukenPiper again? Why is implosion no longer scummy? Why are you only stating your top3?

pedit: I also seemed to have missed the nopoint case which has garnered 5 votes.

[Magister Ludi]

Go check it up, then. This day is dragging, hard. Scummy people are lurking hoping not to be the deadline lynch. People are talking in circles, just to talk and obfuscate.

Lets get either a nopoint or warrior wagon into high gear.

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 1x17 ::

Stringer Bell (5) -

MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, Drunken Piper, EtherealCookie, FourseenCircumstance

Junpei (4) -

SlySly, springlullaby, chkflip, Furcolow

nopointinactingup (4) -

DrippingGoofball, Magister Ludi, Toogeloo, implosion

FourseenCircumstance (2) -

Junpei, Sinestro

Magister Ludi (2) -

Bunnylover, nopointinactingup

Furcolow (2) -

Stringer Bell, Ghostlin

chkflip (1) -

RedCoyote

warriormode (1)

projectmatt

Toogeloo (1) -

warriormode

RedCoyote (1) -

wazzatron

Not Voting (2) -

whispersilk, Kdub

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-08 23:07:02).

chkflip replaces diddin, effective immediately.

[chkflip]

UNVOTE: Junpei

I don't ever like inherited votes. I prefer to cast my own judgements. I'll get to this thread very soon as this is my only game (save one other) so it shouldn't take long to get into the groove of things.

Junpei's most recent post seems hasty and forced, but town.

Magister's is obv fluff. Not that big of a scumtell but it's noteworthy if he of all people continues to point out the blatantly obvious.
(p.s. Mag I love that avatar. Who is it? [cwutididthar?])

projectmatt is always null to me. I'd like him to explain his towntells if that wouldn't be too strenuous, that's a lot for D1 P24 imo, but maybe I'm being too pessimistic. Remember I haven't read beyond this page, just going off general MS.net experience.

Same request of Furcolow of their three scumreads. (unless you've already done so, in which case simply ignore this)

Aaaaaand my next post will be about the first 15 pages, then the next about the final 10+ (at that point I guarantee some more things will have happened, people will have responded to me, etc etc)

[warriormode]

You guys are gonna hate me and I understand if you do but...

V/LA til Wednesday Nov. 9

I have a funeral to attend to

[Furcolow]

junpei and D.P. both had similar reactions to me
crypto + dgb on meta, until i just read matt. matt, where did crypto towntell to you? top of your list? wow.

[nopointinactingup]

He focusses more on defending Fourseen than on pushing for his reads, which I find scum-like.

Thats because If I didn't fourseen would have been lynched. That ends the day. I can hardly get who I want lynched if there is someone lynched already. Plus, I've been pretty clear about who I've suspected here, and pushed it.

Warriormode, for multiple reasons. Magna, slysly, after isolation, and yourself.

Lol no. I basically have nothing left to say to you scum.

I actually find bunnylover's ultra simplistic and circular reasoning town. And it shows an attempt at independent thought. (Re: leaving the forseen wagon, and looking for a better target) It looks town.

nopoint, on the other hand, basically says "yup, these terrible reasonings are a good case, let me agree and sheep"

OK. What I'm saying is that ML: fast wagonning = 0% scum has no basis. I find it likely for scum to grasp onto reasoning like this to defend someone, whether town or their scumbuddy. Maybe slysly didn't have much content but look at the way ML is playing. He votes people, but never follows up. He focusses more on defending Fourseen than on pushing for his reads, which I find scum-like. I would be happy to vote ML if there's a wagon on him.

basically a regurgitation of bunnylovers points. (not that they were valid to begin with). He also never expands on why it is likely for scum to grasp onto "the reasoning" he says is scummy, or why in fact that is more likely to come from scum than town. Plus the rest of his post are just lies.

A blatant lie.

I don't get why ppl discourage the leading pressure wagon but

not pushing for any other wagon (Magister Ludi, slysly )

Nopoint has already stated his suspicion on Magister Ludi defending Fourseen

Got prodded.
Keeping up with the thread, but anything I would say, has been said already.

Unvote, Vote: ML

I'm a little more confidence that Fourseen will flip town. ML has been protecting Fourseen a little too hard. Enough to gain some crediability in the game with his reads on a claimed "bad player" when they flip town.

Bunnylover reinforces this opinion

OK. What I'm saying is that ML: fast wagonning = 0% scum has no basis. I find it likely for scum to grasp onto reasoning like this to defend someone, whether town or their scumbuddy. Maybe slysly didn't have much content but look at the way ML is playing. He votes people, but never follows up. He focusses more on defending Fourseen than on pushing for his reads, which I find scum-like. I would be happy to vote ML if there's a wagon on him.

Nopoint explains why he thinks ML is scum.

Got prodded.
Keeping up with the thread, but anything I would say, has been said already.

Unvote, Vote: ML

I'm a little more confidence that Fourseen will flip town. ML has been protecting Fourseen a little too hard. Enough to gain some crediability in the game with his reads on a claimed "bad player" when they flip town.

Somewhat agree with this

Unvote.Vote:MAGISTER LUDI

Nopoint sees a possibility for a wagon on this scumbag and legitimately and unsheepishly votes

This shit is so illogical it's like you're forced to provide some dumbass read on me because oops you're already voting me. Bad choice scum. Now you die

MORE VOTES ON LUDI PLEASE

DrippingGoofball, give me your opinions currently on the following players; warriormode, nopoint, slysly, and Magna. I need some sanity in here. To quickly reiterate my main points;

warrior; initial posts bad, scum mindset, lurking when under a little pressure
nopoint; regurgitation of bad thought process, sheeping to slip under radar, illogical accusations
slysly; limited activities with promises to deliver, actual posts aren't that good
Magna; little bit of gut here after playing with him in (how many games now? five?) (and why i'm less willing to lynch here) long posts seem to be efforts in posting a lot, not really convincing anyone of anything. I've seen enough of him to know this.

A bunch of fluff read. You didn't even address mine and Bunny's argument and you call it bad and you sheep A LOADA DGB's points lol

I'll gladly support an ML wagon.

Please vote ML. He's definitely scum

nopoint is more of a vibe than anything. I don't like Bunny, and nopoint likes Bunny. As a result I get a bad vibe about nopoint.

You can't be serious .. how does note liking someone equates with them being scum?

warriormode, nopoint, slysly, and Magna

Magna is town. That's pretty solid.
SlySly is not 100% his usual scummy self, but he could be too busy to be scummy. I'll give him a chance to redeem himself by setting my scumdar on fire.
nopoint is scum. It's eating up his conscience, we should put him out of his misery.
warriormode I have pegged as town. For his own-wagon analysis.

Again, nothing but fluff and shitreads from you. You're taking Crypto's credit away at cosmic speed

There are plenty of players who will act anti-town for anti-town's sake, but we do have plenty of Village Idiots, or temporary dunces, on this site.

LIKE YOU

I had seen someone reference scum being at six previously to me doing so
DGB is definitely scum, and I have deduced who are scum based on my list
I refuse to read until DGB is lynched

This is the most anti-town thing I've read all game. "My favorite

mis

lynch isn't being lynched so I don't wanna play anymore." Also with your SK hunting and "I have meta on your slot" comments with no justification or links, plus your push to Junpei on #511 and then this post....(I decided to take a look at the ISO)

You're scum. You're just scum. You live in a pond with the other scum, and all of you and your scum buddies float to the top and are scum. Or I'm lynching a VI, and in a 25 player game Day 1 with no other information, I'm not upset about this.

This guy>most of my other scum reads.

Ghostlin, he's like that, if you ever played with him before

Unvote.

Vote: Furc

pedit: I also seemed to have missed the nopoint case which has garnered 5 votes.

[/quote]

BECUZ there's NO CASE on me. The scums are "gearing up" for my lynch because I've caught them with their pants down. VOTE MAGISTER LUDI

[MagnaofIllusion]

nopointinactingup (not a confident town read at all)

This little tidbit stands out to me form 579. Why go out of your way to purposefully fence-sit on NoPoint like this?

I like the idea of a Stringer lynch, like the idea of a warriormode lynch even more. Do not understand the vote on nopoint at all.

The warrior wagon is dead. He’s a very likely investigation / vig target for his lurking out the day at this stage. He’s not going to get deadline lynched.

Yet your vote continues to languish on him.

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Lets get either a nopoint or warrior wagon into high gear.

No, don’t think I’m going to really look at either of those two players given your basic active lurking approach to this game.

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MoI, I'm not backing away from my wagon yet, there's no reason to, the only reason this wagon has lost steam is because Fourseen has faded into the background. He has yet to make a good post, he is scum.

Yes, there is plenty of reason to.

1. Deadline is in approximately 4 days. You keeping your vote attached to a dead wagon is at best unproductive.
2. Yes, there is good reason why the wagon died. Continuing to say otherwise is scummy.
3. Not making what you call ‘good’ posts is not a scum-tell. Furc hasn’t made a good post all game. Is he scum?

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You have to read between the lines. No one is going to be so blunt as to say, "Nopoint is town!!! WTF are you doing!"

Actually the bolded is clearly not accurate. Magister did that just for Fourseen.

I don’t believe Wazz’s stance to be applicable.

Good lynches in no particular order: Drunken Piper, Stringer Bell, Junpei, Toogeloo, ForseenCircumstance, wazzatron, diddin

Unvote; vote: diddin

So you list these as good lynches. We are close to deadline. You decide to bypass either top wagon (Stringer, Junpei) you listed as a good lynch and vote for the players with only 1 vote at that stage?

Scummy.

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Ghostlin’s ‘Furc is scum’ post at

558

is also an example of useless spreading of votes to non-viable wagons at deadline.

Because for this particular Day 1, I like kicking as many wasps nest as possible; it's another player that's not getting the exposure he should. Plus, Fourseen's acutally still playing this game. Should push come to shove, I'll get on a more poplous wagon.

So you went out of your way to call Junpei scum, haven’t indicated anything that says that read changed, and yet you abandon when it is a Top wagon to show your ‘interest’ in Furc?

Again that’s at best unproductive and possibly scummy. You can call someone to everyone’s attention without moving your vote when it increases the possibility of no lynch Day1. This is behavior you demonstrate in the first 5 RL days of a game Day, not the last.

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Oh look, Wazzatron is doing the exact same thing at

568

.

Why these people: Drunken Piper, Wazzatron

I'd like to understand the Drunken Piper thing i don't see it as scum so much as entertaining, and I have no clue why your voting me after this post

This response to Red indicates he has no problem with Red suspecting Stringer, Junpei, Toogello, Fourseen or diddin. Thus all should be at least some degree of scummy in Wazz’s mind.

Yet he places an unproductive Red vote when Stringer or Junpei need a serious push to get a lynch with deadline approaching.

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Very few people have said they have town reads on diddin, whereas several have said they have some level of suspicion of him. The general sentiment indicates that he may be a viable wagon. I'm trying to find out. And I did list my reasons for suspecting him in my earlier post.

Several indicates perhaps 2 to 4. That’s not an overwhelming amount of support for you to idle your vote on him most of the day. Which is exactly what you did. You really didn’t push him in any cohesive fashion and just rode the non-wagon.

Well, now there really is no chance of this slot getting lynched today.
UNVOTE:

Considering voting FC again, but SB looks like a reasonable lynch as well. Going to reread him a bit.

There was no chance of getting that slot lynched today when I told you so in the first place.

Wait – you want to ‘go reread’ Stringer? In your earlier response you said he was your third scum-read behind Fourseen and diddin. Why would you need to re-read him if that was the truth?

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@NoPoint

- I'm getting tired of repeating this to everyone in the damn thread. Magister is not getting lynched today. It's too close to deadline. Find a viable wagon that you can live with and get on it.

[Furcolow]

1) NPAU why did you quote the post that Ghostlin voted me in
2) MoI: thanks for the defense of my wagon not being viable
What has made it not viable?

[MagnaofIllusion]

2) MoI: thanks for the defense of my wagon not being viable
What has made it not viable?

Deadline is in 4 days. You have 2 votes per the last votecount. Much as your play is horrible per usual generating the additional 11 votes necessary when you are basically a policy lynch makes no sense when players have active scum reads for scummy play. And several of those reads have at least 4 if not more votes.

[Furcolow]

I disagree that my play has been horrible whatsoever
if DGB is scum I have great logic in terms of a large portion of the team based upon listmaking analysis in reference to human tendencies to hide scumbuddies in the middle of lists

[Ghostlin]

2) MoI: thanks for the defense of my wagon not being viable
What has made it not viable?

Deadline is in 4 days. You have 2 votes per the last votecount. Much as your play is horrible per usual generating the additional 11 votes necessary when you are basically a policy lynch makes no sense when players have active scum reads for scummy play. And several of those reads have at least 4 if not more votes.

Because no one's turned in a wagon in four days. No one. It has never happened on the history of Mafia Scum.

[/sarcasm]

I acutally don't agree with the nopoint/SB wagons enough to not lynch them as a compromise, and if I were to jump somewhere, it'd be on ML or Junpei, which I've already received flax for one.

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: flax=flack

[MagnaofIllusion]

Because no one's turned in a wagon in four days. No one. It has never happened on the history of Mafia Scum.

[/sarcasm]

Oh, sarcasm. That's useful.

Please remind me - what percentage of Insta wagons that generate at deadline return positive results for Town?

Because my experience indicates that percentage would be very low.

But by all means, continue to disregard what is logical, smart Town play in favor of 'kicking at hornets nests'.

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: stringer bell

EC is town

[Ghostlin]

Because no one's turned in a wagon in four days. No one. It has never happened on the history of Mafia Scum.

[/sarcasm]

Oh, sarcasm. That's useful.

Please remind me - what percentage of Insta wagons that generate at deadline return positive results for Town?

Because my experience indicates that percentage would be very low.

But by all means, continue to disregard what is logical, smart Town play in favor of 'kicking at hornets nests'.

How's getting Stringer past L-8 going for you? With three votes between the leading wagon and the wagon I'm currently on, I fail to see much difference, but fine. I'm getting shouted down --enough-- that I don't see Furc as a leading wagon, but seriously people? Too dumb for scum isn't an argument, it's a headache.

Unvote.

Vote: Junpei

[MagnaofIllusion]

How's getting Stringer past L-8 going for you? With three votes between the leading wagon and the wagon I'm currently on, I fail to see much difference, but fine. I'm getting shouted down --enough-- that I don't see Furc as a leading wagon, but seriously people? Too dumb for scum isn't an argument, it's a headache.

Unvote.

Vote: Junpei

Ok, so completely dodge the points I just made and go to the well with more sarcasm. Very Pro-Town and Tek.

Show me scum intent in Furc's posting. You haven't. You've basically said "He's horrible, he must be scum". He may post terrible stupid things but he's giving scum reads and Town reads that can be used to judge his alignment as the game develops.

On the other side you are completely ignoring players who are doing NOTHING as far as game content.

Why aren't you concerned with players like Sinestro, Whispersilk and Bunnylover who have provide negligible content with which to judge their play? That's what troubles me.

[Ghostlin]

How's getting Stringer past L-8 going for you? With three votes between the leading wagon and the wagon I'm currently on, I fail to see much difference, but fine. I'm getting shouted down --enough-- that I don't see Furc as a leading wagon, but seriously people? Too dumb for scum isn't an argument, it's a headache.

Unvote.

Vote: Junpei

Ok, so completely dodge the points I just made and go to the well with more sarcasm. Very Pro-Town and Tek.

Show me scum intent in Furc's posting. You haven't. You've basically said "He's horrible, he must be scum". He may post terrible stupid things but he's giving scum reads and Town reads that can be used to judge his alignment as the game develops.

On the other side you are completely ignoring players who are doing NOTHING as far as game content.

Why aren't you concerned with players like Sinestro, Whispersilk and Bunnylover who have provide negligible content with which to judge their play? That's what troubles me.

Hrm...so I've never mentioned Sinestro before? That's funny, I could of SWORE I mentioned him as a scum read in my reads post:

Sinestro bothers me with his analysis post on #284. Sheeping is probably one of worst scum reads ever. You're not necessarily awesome protown because you're hip and edgy. There's also not a lot of scumhunting in your scumhunting...

(snip)

Acceptable Lynches Today: Fourseen, Warrior, Magister Ludi,

Sinestro,

Junpei.

That's from my very first post of this game. #391.

Bunnylover and whisper are kind of acting like what experiences I have with them, which in and of itself is not enough to earn my vote. I'm making frowny faces at their lurking, but I don't see you supporting a Bunny or Whisper lynch either.

You don't see the possible scum potential of refusing to read the thread (in other words, actively lurking)? That's what Furc threatens to do in a fit of "righteous indigination" because we're not voting DGB for scum. You do not see possible scum motivation in 'I absolutely refuse to be useful until DGB is lynched'? Come on. You're better than that.

[Furcolow]

MoI, Sinestro's #284 feels town to me
but I disagree with his Crypto read

Will get back to you on the other two,
though I know you weren't talking to me

[Furcolow]

Whispersilk lurking scum