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Prod dodge.

kiwi here reminds me of my last game with him, where I was convinced he was scum and I was wrong. I'll look into that when I get some time (most likely Monday).

kiwieagle,

Since you think StevieT92 is scum, then , I do find it “hard to see” that you think Kcdaspot’s post was “really scummy” for “buddying with StevieT92.”

Explain yourself. Right now, your story does not look straight.

If you think the statement “stevie thinking there being too many millers isn’t scummy” is “really scummy” because it is “buddying StevieT92,” then you must be glossing over an lot of “buddying” in this game.

Please tell me what other instances of “buddying” has caught your eye in this game.

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that you would seriously think Kcdaspot was trying to “buddy” with StevieT92 when Kcdaspot had StevieT92 in his top three suspects.

Did you ever actually read Kcdaspot’s posts in isolation like you said you would on November 12 (i.e., two weeks ago)?

What do you think about StrangerCoug’s intervention into our conversation?

If you spot any mistakes, please let me know.

Due to the American holidays, I may be a little late with votecounts etc. (hopefully not) and will be purposefully lax on prods until Monday.

↑ Kcdaspot wrote:Rice, stevie thinking there being too many millers isn't scummy. and the number mix up means jack.

@ stevie, vezok: why are you so adamantly against thinking there are multi millers? even thoo the possibility exists even in a open?

↑ Kcdaspot wrote:hey farside. I agree with kiwi.

↑ StevieT92 wrote:I find it unlikely that we have 2 out of 12 as millers. So let's lynch one of them.

vote: kcdaspot

Horrible contradiction.


He then calls stevie scum



I cant really read this well due to grammar BUT THERE ARE SOME BAD STUFF IN THAT POST.
Bolded it.



Also to the questions:

1.) Since you think StevieT92 is scum, then yes, I do find it “hard to see” that you think Kcdaspot’s post was “really scummy” for “buddying with StevieT92.”

Explain yourself. Right now, your story does not look straight.






2.) If you think the statement “stevie thinking there being too many millers isn’t scummy” is “really scummy” because it is “buddying StevieT92,” then you must be glossing over an awful lot of “buddying” in this game.

Please tell me what other instances of “buddying” has caught your eye in this game.






3.) Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that you would seriously think Kcdaspot was trying to “buddy” with StevieT92 when Kcdaspot had StevieT92 in his top three suspects.





4.) Did you ever actually read Kcdaspot’s posts in isolation like you said you would on November 12 (i.e., two weeks ago)?




5.) What do you think about StrangerCoug’s intervention into our conversation?

I'm starting to get fed up by kiwieagle here. Just in the last post:

1. He admits that buddying is the wrong term; what he describes is closer to a sudden 180° turn on StevieT92. However, I fail to see how the 180 could be even remotely mistaken for buddying, regardless of when Kcdaspot's top three was posted.
   
2. petroleumjelly claims that there were other instances of buddying and asks kiwieagle to give his opinion; he refuses to do so.
   
3. The reasoning behind not doing an ISO on Kcdaspot is illegitimate. petroleumjelly does not get a tabula rasa when he replaces in, as is evident by my posts earlier today.
   
4. Responding to his question about my intervention into the conversation with another question is basically blowing off petroleumjelly.

UNVOTE: Nobody Special and demote to an
VOTE: kiwieagle

kiwieagle,

Kcdaspot did not contradict himself on StevieT92, as you are trying to make it appear. Let’s take a fuller look at the conversation in context:

kiwieagle, Post 80 wrote:Stevie is scum "LOL LETS LYNCH US A MILLER JUST TO TEST CLAIM"

↑ farside22 wrote:@kiwieagle: Are you an asshole or did you just bypass the point completely on purpose?
Where did Stevie state "LOL LETS LYNCH US A MILLER JUST TO TEST CLAIM"?
Or is this just fake ass theory based on his comments?

↑ Kcdaspot wrote:hey farside. I agree with kiwi.

↑ StevieT92 wrote:I find it unlikely that we have 2 out of 12 as millers. So let's lynch one of them.

vote: kcdaspot

You said StevieT92 was scum because of his “"LOL LETS LYNCH US A MILLER JUST TO TEST CLAIM" attitude. farside22 did not think StevieT92 had effectively claimed that a claimed Miller should be lynched to test the claim.

In other words, Kcdaspot agreed that StevieT92 wanted to lynch a Miller to test the claim. But Kcdaspot agree that StevieT92 for the suggestion. That is quite clear to anybody who has actually read Kcdaspot's posts.

So please explain yourself again. Because it looks to me like you read Kcdaspot’s posts in isolation, you found a good quote to use against him, and didn’t bother to double-check to see if it actually with your “theory.”

Although Kcdaspot indeed listed StevieT92 in his top “after” you claimed Kcdaspot’s “buddying” was “really scummy,” it obviously has a bearing on whether you could plausibly continue to believe your theory.

Kcdaspot listed StevieT92 in his top three in Post 253, which was thirteen posts after your own Post 240, where you claimed Kcdaspot was “really scummy.” In other words, if you read Kcdaspot’s posts in isolation any time after Post 253 you would have had to take Kcdaspot’s opinion of StevieT92 into account.

So when exactly did you your reread of Kcdaspot?

Answer my question:

PJ, Post 576 wrote: Please tell me what other instances of “buddying” has caught your eye in this game.

Answer my question:

PJ, Post 576 wrote:

5.)

What do you think about StrangerCoug’s intervention into our conversation?

I would like to see your case on Kcdaspot, if you have one. As you can see, I am more than able to defend myself.

Im pretty sure he was agreeing on stevie being scum

...also in your 2)

Im comparing post 253 to post 96.

Which is like a 150 post difference?

None.



I assume hes pretty pissed that I already caught NS and/or stevie scum and wants to set a mislynch on me for not answering a fucking question.

And since you're annoyed with questions, please allow me to be more direct:

I don't think you actually read Kcdaspot's posts in isolation on Day One. You never said that you did it in-thread (which seems natural, ala, “I just read Kcdaspot in isolation…”), and nothing in your posting suggests you did so.

Rather, from the looks of it, I think you probably isolated Kcdaspot just now in response to my questioning. And because it has been a couple weeks, you forgot the context of Kcdaspot's "agreement" with you, and so you tried to paint it as a massive "contradiction" without double-checking your facts.

I also do not think Kcdaspot's post was "really scummy," nor do I think he was trying to "buddy" (or potentially "protect") StevieT92 from lynching. He was pointing out a bad argument being made -- which is something several others players have done in this game, yet you have not called posts out as being "really scummy." So I have reason to doubt the sincerity of your suspicions, or at least, whether you are actually consistent in your suspicions.

Your avoidance of asking questions is also not helping my overall opinion of you.

~

PPE:

farside22 essentially said, “StevieT92 never said he wanted to lynch Kcdaspot simply to test a Miller claim.” Kcdaspot then said he think StevieT92 had said as much.

But as can seen in Kcdaspot’s, he clearly did not think StevieT92 was scum simply for suggesting a Miller lynch:

Kcdaspot, Post 53 wrote:Rice, stevie thinking there being too many millers isn't scummy. and the number mix up means jack.

Kcdaspot, Post 243 wrote:Stevie model T-92 Terminatior unit (Yes that joke was nessesary) - I guess I get the vote on me then. I legitematly thought (still think somewhat) that the question the mask asked about norman's role was entirely too suspect to let alone, especially that early, more on this later. but 142 sits off. just because you didn't think it was rolefishing means if someone else thinks is rolefishing it scummy? what? post after you did say paraphrased "everyone thinks colldog is scummy so i'll vote him" you never question why. Kiwi has a legit concern here and I want a answer. you thought I was scummy but what i get from that is that you didn't think Cooldog was entirely scummy. So you switch votes? am i still scummy to you?

As is evident, Kcdaspot does not once claim that he thinks StevieT92’s “miller lynch” attitude is scummy. His concern lay with StevieT92’s opinion on the rolefishing discussion, and StevieT92’s vote on CooLDoG because “others” thought CooLDoG was scum.

Now:

Again, do you claim you read Kcdaspot's posts in isolation?

If you had read Kcdaspot's posts in isolation on Day One and thought you had found a , why didn't you bring it up on Day One?

Kiwi seems like town to me. Still unsure about NS. Still think SC is scum.

↑ Nobody Special wrote:

↑ scooby wrote:post tomorrow, etc

Why even bother posting such a useless piece of shit post like this?

↑ Nobody Special wrote:Prod dodge.

Nothing much of interest has happened.

↑ kiwieagle wrote:

5.) What do you think about StrangerCoug’s intervention into our conversation?

I assume hes pretty pissed that I already caught NS and/or stevie scum and wants to set a mislynch on me for not answering a fucking question.

Excuse me? This implies that I wouldn't lynch Nobody Special if I saw a way out of it and I have been on him since shortly after dropping my DeasVail case, so you're effectively also accusing me of bussing Nobody Special. Do you see examples of what look like me bussing NS?

Refusal to answer questions is anti-information and therefore scummy. Now, DeasVail had his reasons (asked and answered), but your problem seems to be that you don't like it when petroleumjelly asks you questions. I do believe he has you pinned in a corner...

vezokpiraka and Shadow Dancer have been prodded.

↑ StrangerCoug wrote:

↑ kiwieagle wrote:

5.) What do you think about StrangerCoug’s intervention into our conversation?

I assume hes pretty pissed that I already caught NS and/or stevie scum and wants to set a mislynch on me for not answering a fucking question.

Excuse me? This implies that I wouldn't lynch Nobody Special if I saw a way out of it and I have been on him since shortly after dropping my DeasVail case, so you're effectively also accusing me of bussing Nobody Special. Do you see examples of what look like me bussing NS?

Refusal to answer questions is anti-information and therefore scummy. Now, DeasVail had his reasons (asked and answered), but your problem seems to be that you don't like it when petroleumjelly asks you questions. I do believe he has you pinned in a corner...

and/or

Answer me or I am not unvoting you.

I just isolated NS after that lame hypoocrite attack I just quoted.

Verdict is that he should die, constant lurking, attacks and reads that vanish with time which is a scumtell is slow games.

Anywasy, this game still needs a boost and less people (scum or VI) alive.

Coug can wait a biut anyways.

↑ petroleumjelly wrote:Now:

1.)

Again,

when

do you claim you read Kcdaspot's posts in isolation?

The day I said he was scummy.
Doing a case/reading in context is a whole different matter <.<

2.)

If you had

really

read Kcdaspot's posts in isolation on Day One and thought you had found a

"horrible contradiction"

, why didn't you bring it up on Day One?

1.The day I said he was scummy.
Doing a case/reading in context is a whole different matter <.<



2. because he ragequitted?

I dont see people making cases on ankamius after Deas replaced in (no matter how much she insisted)

Why dont you find that scummy?



-




Anyways, 3 scum are:
SC
NS
Stevie

*Grumble* Sorry... I'm still here.

I really cannot see the alleged "buddying" kiwi spots at Kcda... If there's a point to that whole thing it's terribly selectively perceived and forced...

I still could get nehind the Nobody waggon. For now I think he should claim to allow this game to move on.

I don't know why there are still people parking their vote on Coug... Or is there an actual reason why those people are still voting him, but not really advocating that lynch while discussion has clearly moved on for a long time?

And Deas defintely needs some pressure. I think it is mostly unjustified that that waggon completely fell apart on D2. Right now I cannot even see a red line of thought in his posts. He is still voting Coug. Before that he was voting Noc and I cannot really see satisfying reasons for either. Before that he mostly expressed suspicion of me.



And because hope springs eternal: I know Rice is V/LA and stuff... But he?/she?/it? really needs to make some noticable contribution once he?/she?/it? is back.

There's also kind of a suspicious aura around scooby. Sorry for being so vague about it now, I think it's best for now to keep a close eye on him to see some more behavioural patterns.

↑ scooby wrote:

↑ Nobody Special wrote:

↑ scooby wrote:post tomorrow, etc

Why even bother posting such a useless piece of shit post like this?

↑ Nobody Special wrote:Prod dodge.

Nothing much of interest has happened.

Love you too, snookums. But really, my post 561 is the verifiable truth. NOTHING of interest had happened.

Since it was asked for, I'll claim.

I'm the Town Cop.

Night One I investigated StevieT, and got an Innocent. (This might explain better why I lost interest in him, huh?)

Shadow, my vote on coug is because I think he's the most likely to be scum, but there's not all that much else to say about him. What other reason would satisfy you?

I expressed suspicion of you once and I still suspect you. Do you have a problem with me not voting for you?

I think Nobody is likely town cop, but I still think it's possible he's mafia.

↑ Nobody Special wrote:

↑ scooby wrote:

↑ Nobody Special wrote:

↑ scooby wrote:post tomorrow, etc

Why even bother posting such a useless piece of shit post like this?

↑ Nobody Special wrote:Prod dodge.

Nothing much of interest has happened.

Love you too, snookums. But really, my post 561 is the verifiable truth. NOTHING of interest had happened.

Since it was asked for, I'll claim.

I'm the Town Cop.

Night One I investigated StevieT, and got an Innocent. (This might explain better why I lost interest in him, huh?)

...

wut

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