Mini 1353 - Dr. Who Mafia - The End of Time (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

Sorry that was mean.

But like, I could not be more fucking obvious town here if MoI posted my role PM in thread.

[GreyICE]

Confirmed scum, Iecerint, Tierce.

Discussion of Tierce-scum:

Strong scum meta, very powerful player. Has an instinct to bus weak members, tempered by an inability to carry through. Prefers to push lynches on scummy townies. Hence Jason, perfect whipping boy of the oppressed and downtrodden.

Discussion of Iecerint-scum:

Weaker scum, confined by his inability to play an emotional game. He has a tendency to ignore his scumbuddies. Witness from his ISO the lack of reference to Tierce at any point. Bussing today is stupid.

Triangle is town.

"I don't see any kind of crumb. Kortul did note lack of talk/references between Tierce and Acomist, though."

Acomist is town

Tierce moves vote from Starbuck to Iecerint for no reason

- moving vote from scum to scum? Hmmm. Possible, tierce is good. But I doubt it. Iecerint pushing the Jason->Starbuck angle makes Starbuck look worse. Iec continuing to push it today to blame starbuck for Jason's town flip means that Starbuck is muuuuchhhhh better.

Starbuck is town... for now

Actually #436... then the vote.

Starbuck is town

Scum always think their superheroes can pull their bacon out of the fryer.

Zang voted Tierce last minute. Iece trusted my guilty on Zang. Hmmm.

THE DEATH PILE

For termination following today's broadcast.[/b]

CryMeARiver

- For cruel and unusual lurking.

Zang

- he loves to bus. He never articulated his reasons for his suspicions on Tierce. Also general crimes against humanity. BTW, Iecerint trusted my daycop on him, and Tierce ignored it.

Acosmist

- for failure to mention Iecerint or Tierce, he must die. For failure of them to mention him, he must die. For general failure to launch, he must die.

Korlash

- he continues to make me highly uncomfortable.

My push on Tierce is a veritable bonanza of goodness.

One of those four people (at least) will have a confirmable power role or otherwise clear themselves, so we are ready to rock.

Town, following today, if I leave you:

1) It will be like, fucking 8:1 or something. Maybe 7:1:1 (TIERCE COULD BE SERIAL KILLER KILL NEVER FORGET THIS). I dunno what serial killer shoots tierce. Look for someone she had a "scum read on," or alternatively someone I was pushing who thought she was town (ALL ROADS LEAD TO KORLASH)

ANYWAY. Lynching town will occur. Evaluate claims, and other things. Don't get discouraged. Efficient lynches are better than long lynches with lots of discussion for days 3 and 4. Keep people on track.

2) Mass claim, probably day 4. Narrow down their options. Depends on what the SK is doing (Don't mass claim if you fear SK, it gives the scum/SK too many confirmed townies to shoot. Remember, crosskills are good). If there's no SK, that's fucking awesome. To that end, the vigilante, if they exist, should initiate the mass claim day 4. Obv if town vig flips before then you're set like hell. Obv obv obv.

3) Kortul, you are DA MAN. Mad props from the day thread here.

[Iecerint]

I totally didn't see that. That's an obvious crumb, so it looks like he definitely targeted me.

I think a claim is basically inevitable given that, and I think I can imagine what happened, so I'm going to go ahead and partial claim.

I'm

The Tenth Doctor

-- no rolename. I have exactly 3 abilities:

Regeneration

is a passive ability that grants me at least one bulletproof shot. I am asking the Mod whether I would be notified if my ability came into play. I received no notice N1, but this would account for Kortul's death, presuming it only applied to me.

I'm So Sorry

kills a player who is also targeted by another player on the same night. I targeted Tierce N1, and I think it is likely that I killed her.

Well...

(my favored Tenth Doctor catchphrase, though it doesn't translate to text very well) allows me to vote.

[Korlash]

Is your custom title a goal or a joke?

It often lets me get the upper hand against players who think they're 'all that'. Although, only works when I'm scum that is... Maybe next time...

But like, I could not be more fucking obvious town here if MoI posted my role PM in thread.

I know, I have a plethora of scum wins on my record that 'proves' that argument. *wink* I'll know soon enough what you are I think...

I'm The Tenth Doctor -- no rolename. I have exactly 3 abilities:

*shakes head* No... Bye...

[Iecerint]

Korlash, I am aware of your role breadloaf on page 2-3 or whichever it was.

There is no conflict; my flavor stipulates that I'm (vaguely) from toward the end of my timestream.

[GreyICE]

Oh so you're the serial killer.

Fucking damn it I was hoping you were mafia scum.

Okay you can go away now.

[GreyICE]

In other news Iecerint is confirmed serial killer.

I mean look at the role claim. He's a bulletproof player with a killing ability who kills anyone who hides behind him.

He just claimed NK-Immune Miller Vig.

Balls.

[Korlash]

Eh, I'm still hoping he's some sort of scum support... But it does seem unlikely. Unless it's a gambit to pull out the vig... I really don't want to think MOI put an SK in here...

Korlash, I am aware of your role breadloaf on page 2-3 or whichever it was.

There is no conflict; my flavor stipulates that I'm (vaguely) from toward the end of my timestream.

Enlighten me to my breadloaf. I give you total permission.

And yes, there is a conflict.

[Korlash]

I mean look at the role claim. He's a bulletproof player with a killing ability who kills anyone who hides behind him.

Close, he claimed he kills anyone that he and another player targets together. But you're more or less correct, the claim is bullshit.

The problem is that A) The Doctor would never have an ability that kills, be it by his own hand or not. So that's bullshit. B) The whole "If someone else targets, they die" is a secondary ability that adds to another targeting ability. Banna has claimed no legitimate targeting ability, thus him targeting Teirce has no merit, thus the entire power is pointless.

If he is the Master (SK) then it does make sense that he has 'regen' and kill... So it might add up...

[GreyICE]

Eh, I'm still hoping he's some sort of scum support... But it does seem unlikely. Unless it's a gambit to pull out the vig... I really don't want to think MOI put an SK in here...

There was one in IPod Mafia.

Someone's something law: People tend to claim their roles, no matter their alignment. Iecerint is bulletproof, and he does have a killing ability. He's a SK.

[Korlash]

We'll see... If he is the SK then blah... Whatever... I was just hoping the Master got enough credit in the final movie for saving the Earth and the Doctor to prevent him from having to be an SK again... *sigh* Guess my hopes are dashed...

[GreyICE]

Well Tierce flipped like captain nobody. Oh well.

Starbuck is still obvious town, btw. Don't touch her.

Other stuff applies if Iec somehow flips scum.

Preetttyyyy much same list needs death. With another town death tonight, it'll be 6:2 (down from 9:3:1) so don't get cocky. Trust your power roles.

[Iecerint]

He just claimed NK-Immune Miller Vig.

I am not a miller. Kortul almost certainly died because I was targeted by scum N1 (no word from MoI yet). Otherwise, we have to posit other mechanisms for no scumkill.

Your broader point that NK-immune + killing mechanic skews SK is not irrational, though. I'm happy with having killed Tierce if I'm lynched today. You're probably in a decent position. Triangle looks like the scumfriend to me.

Enlighten me to my breadloaf. I give you total permission.

The place where you (explicitly?) claimed John Smith aka Human Doctor Mark One from Tierce's rolename's 2-parter.

The problem is that the Doctor would never have an ability that kills, be it by his own hand or not. So that's bullshit.

The Doctor is always getting people killed by his intervention. That's a major theme of the revived series.

My ability (probably) killed Tierce, so it isn't useless.

[Iecerint]

Word in from MoI right when I hit send, roughly.

I would NOT be told if Regeneration happened. (Kinda funky flavor, but w/e.)

Others cannot be affected by Regeneration (kill attempt failures notwithstanding).

[Korlash]

The place where you (explicitly?) claimed John Smith aka Human Doctor Mark One from Tierce's rolename's 2-parter.

So you believe I claimed 'john smith' aka the Doctor, but do not and did not see any sort of problem with you being 'the doctor'?... No, if you really thought I claimed to be 'john smith' and you were the doctor, you would think I was scum, lying, or you were mistaken about my crumb. You seem to think none of these which only goes to suggest your claim is bogus.

The Doctor is always getting people killed by his intervention. That's a major theme of the revived series.

My ability (probably) killed Tierce, so it isn't useless.

The Doctor was against killing regardless of how often it happened. HE WOULD NOT HAVE AN ABILITY TO KILL END OF STORY.

And what, you have an ability that kills a person IF a second person targets them as well? Is that what I'm hearing you claim? because that's impossible to be a town role and highly unlikely to be an ability by itself.

[Iecerint]

So you believe I claimed 'john smith' aka the Doctor, but do not and did not see any sort of problem with you being 'the doctor'?...

Correct. I did do a little bit of a double-take and wonder whether we would both be town for a moment, but the fact that my flavor specifies that I was taken near the end of my time-stream eliminated doubts for me about us both existing in the game (not to mention that MoI isn't exactly incompetent and would give scum fakeclaims).

The Doctor was against killing regardless of how often it happened. HE WOULD NOT HAVE AN ABILITY TO KILL END OF STORY.

MoI disagrees with you. Don't know what else to tell you.

And what, you have an ability that kills a person IF a second person targets them as well? Is that what I'm hearing you claim? because that's impossible to be a town role and highly unlikely to be an ability by itself.

Yes, that's how it works. They have to target them on the same night, too. Conceptually, if not flavorfully, it's a nerfed vig.

[Iecerint]

Actually, come to think of it, given lack of fakeclaims (which you seem to posit even though Tierce crumbed River aggressively), were I NOT the Doctor, I would likely assume that

you

were the Doctor and claim something else.

(Pretty sure that makes Korlash pretty town, though.)

Anyway, this should make it pretty clear that I am the Doctor (or have a Doctor fakeclaim). Which should have already been obvious, to be frank, because of the site fakeclaim meta.

[GreyICE]

So Iece, you admit your roleclaim is nightkill immune vigilante.

First, I know you're scum, because I tried the exact same line of reasoning ("you'll be in a good spot if you do X") when a cop investigated me. Also the 'scum targeted me god it sucks hider died' stuff. But NK immune vig? Nah.

Secondly, you seriously gotta die. Your last chance, if you claim SK I'll consider the value of leashing you versus just lynching you.

[Korlash]

[qquote="Banna"]Yes, that's how it works. They have to target them on the same night, too. Conceptually, if not flavorfully, it's a nerfed vig.[/quote]

No, it is not a nerfed vig. It is a secondary aspect of a role, like sanity for cops or an odds of success for doctors. Take any role, for example Roleblocker, add to it the addition that if anyone targets the same person you do they die, and bam... You have a modified Roleblocker. Replace roleblocker with any role you want, bam, modified any role you want.

What you claimed is an ability modifier without the ability to go along with it. There is no such role as "you target player A for no reason... BUT if so and so happens, then stuff happens." You always HAVE A REASON to target someone.

Town would also not have the role you have. Scum do not target scum (unless it's a support role) thus, you would only likely kill town 90% of the time. When you do kill scum, it would have to be when a town power role helped you out, which means wasting that town power role. (Technically it isn't wasted since a scum dies, but it means two power roles were used on one scum instead of diversifying and catching two)

Your modified vig only works n the scum's hands because, as I said before, there is a 90% chance it kills a town IF it kills anyone.

So your role not only sounds fake, but if it were to be a role would be given to scum. You lose this argument sir... good day... I SAID GOOD DAY!

MoI disagrees with you. Don't know what else to tell you.

*shakes head* No, if this ability was given to the Doctor it would have to be impulsive, i.e. you HAD to do it every night. If the Doctor was told "You may target someone and they might die..." he would say "I choose not to target anyone" every single time. Any Doctor Who fan knows this, MoI would not bastardize this game, and the Doctor specifically, to go against this rule. Making it impulsive, showing that the Doctor sometimes can't help but cause death, that might have been plausible and even interesting. Saying he chooses to do it... that's blasphemy...

[Korlash]

Actually, come to think of it, given lack of fakeclaims (which you seem to posit even though Tierce crumbed River aggressively), were I NOT the Doctor, I would likely assume that you were the Doctor and claim something else.

(Pretty sure that makes Korlash pretty town, though.)

Anyway, this should make it pretty clear that I am the Doctor (or have a Doctor fakeclaim). Which should have already been obvious, to be frank, because of the site fakeclaim meta.

If you were given the Doctor as a Safeclaim you would know I wasn't breadcrumbing John Smith as the mod would have physically told you, hey the Doctor isn't in this game... Given Terice's breadcrumbs, she had River as a Safeclaim, I would stake my reputation on that. She breadcrumbed too heavily not to have been told that claim was safe.

So yes, I believe you were given the Doctor as a safeclaim OR you think like I do that the Doctor would not be in this game... I am going with the former...

[Iecerint]

But NK immune vig? Nah.

I'm only one-shot bulletproof (presumably because we're only up to the 11th Doctor so far). Scum can kill me tonight, provided they targeted me last night.

I've actually played with an NK-immune vig before (in a large game), but I agree that it's rare, and vanishingly so in minis.

I accept that I probably won't survive to endgame, one way or the other, but I'm not an SK.

Korlash's post doesn't make any sense, but he's still probably town.

[Iecerint]

So yes, I believe you were given the Doctor as a safeclaim OR you think like I do that the Doctor would not be in this game... I am going with the former...

1. If the Doctor were not in this game, he would almost certainly have appeared in the pre-game scene.
2. For the corollary (i.e. fakeclaim/realclaim), the Mod /outguess game is irrelevant, because it'd be Mod-made.

(Or I made it all up. Which. I'd choose different quotes tbf. <_<)

[CryMeARiver]

I totally didn't see that. That's an obvious crumb, so it looks like he definitely targeted me.

I think a claim is basically inevitable given that, and I think I can imagine what happened, so I'm going to go ahead and partial claim.

I'm

The Tenth Doctor

-- no rolename. I have exactly 3 abilities:

Regeneration

is a passive ability that grants me at least one bulletproof shot. I am asking the Mod whether I would be notified if my ability came into play. I received no notice N1, but this would account for Kortul's death, presuming it only applied to me.

I'm So Sorry

kills a player who is also targeted by another player on the same night. I targeted Tierce N1, and I think it is likely that I killed her.

Well...

(my favored Tenth Doctor catchphrase, though it doesn't translate to text very well) allows me to vote.

This is bad rolefish to get whoever actually killed Tierce to come out I think.

Vote: Iece

This makes triangle likely town in my eyes.

As for the other reference to me, there is generally method to my senile madness.

[CryMeARiver]

Oh and this almost picture perfect explanation:

The Doctor is always getting people killed by his intervention. That's a major theme of the revived series.

This makes it more obvious in my mind that you created that role. At least, that aspect of the role.

[CryMeARiver]

Also, sorry for the triple post, but the idea of a doctor targeting the person you target sort of breaks down that entire role.