Mafiascum.net

Bunnylover was obsessed with lynching Fujiko. She said little else beyond the kill-Fujiko mantra.

Maybe that's why BL is dead.

Goof, you make me sad not including me in any of your reads

My reads are pretty much the same as yesterday, Bunny turning up town is a slight surprise, but I guess reading it over it was kind of obvious.

VOTE: Sucrose
She's today's vote girls. Let's all lynch another scum today, kay?

popping in, too tired to really post anything thoughtful at the moment. I'll have some words tomorrow.

VOTE: rachmarie.

I don't agree that bunnylover was killed due to the fujiko thing as she was a small voice. I figured she was more likely to be a VIG kill due to,suspicion on her.

Partially agree with the sentiment of dgb on the late bussing wagon, and if that's true would look at sucrose first as her vote felt a bit off. It was almost as if she voted just to be seen on the wagon. Amrun would have been the hammer, but removed the vote for me to post before it got locked do to me wanting to post my thoughts. There really was no reason to hammer right then when we knew Telo would be the lynch, so eh.

I'm very sorry amrun by the way.

More thoughts later...bed now.

I'm seeing Brandi and Amrun as solid town. Eidolon, springlullaby, and camn are all null/leaning town. Fujiko's kinda scummy; no strong stances, treated Telo way too gently. RachMarie's also looking pretty bad; combining Telo's attitude towards her with a completely null posting history (with the exception of her particular comment on scum daytalk, which seemed unnecessary and an excuse to claim a lack of knowledge about it), I'm more than happy to put on some pressure here. I'd like to see some reads with conviction behind them, at the very least.

↑ springlullaby wrote:

Mod are repeated roles possible?

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:So many ladies I want deaded so that I can have RedCoyote all to myself. But enough about RL, back to the game.

• RachMarie

  (3) (DrippingGoofball - Tammy - Apokalyptika)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (1) (PiggyGal15)
  
  
  Not Voting
  (11) (RachMarie - Amrun - Brandi - camn - springlullaby - TraceyLyn11 -

  PiggyGal15

  - Fujiko -

  Tammy

  -

  DrippingGoofball

  - Eidolon - Huntress - Seastormjt -

  Apokalyptika

  - Sucrose)

With fifteen alive, it takes eight to lynch.

Current Deadline:

I'm tired from partying last night, but I promise to have a re-read of Telo and the confirmed townies done by tomorrow.

↑ Tammy wrote:VOTE: rachmarie.

I don't agree that bunnylover was killed due to the fujiko thing as she was a small voice.

Could be. However, if you're fujiko and you're scum, you hear that small insistent voice very loudly.

@ Seastorm: I'm still waiting for a reply to post 430 when I asked you if you had anything particular in mind.

↑ Seastormjt wrote:

I can't see exactly why Telo is scummy enough to have such a large wagon -- I'm picking up a general feeling of nervousness, but I'd love if someone could explain the wagon to me.

Never mind, thanks Rach (also Rach seems pretty town)

Where did Rach explain the wagon on Telo?

↑ Sucrose wrote:Sorry Tammy. There's a day and half left, and there's not going to be any point in dragging this out any longer.

Why did the fact that there was a day and a half left mean that you had to hammer just then, when there were still things outstanding, instead of waiting? I don't get it. Although your next post implied that you were trying to stop Telo talking. Why didn't you want her to respond to the questions she had been asked?

↑ PiggyGal15 wrote:Bunny turning up town is a slight surprise, but I guess reading it over it was kind of obvious.

How was it obvious? And I'm still waiting for your reply to my post 495.

↑ RachMarie wrote:oops I did not realize this game had started my bad will reread the first 5 pages and wade in

How did you miss the fact that the game had started?

↑ Huntress wrote:In post 162, RachMarie accuses Telo of "focusing so much on defending Piggy". But when asked to explain this she only mentions a couple of posts where Telo does not comment on Piggy. From this and one or two other things I'm getting a scummy vibe here.

Rach never did respond to the above. And apart from saying that DGB and Brandi look town she has hardly mentioned anyone but Telo the whole time (except in post 293).

for the moment.

Scum reads at present:
RachMarie
Camn - Will look at in a separate post and may move my vote here.

Seastormjt - Mainly for the opportunistic vote on Piggy.
Sucrose - See post 154 and above.
Flinter/Tracey
Apokalyptika - Slightly scummy on predecessor MathGirl see post 224.

I can also see an alternative reality where DGB and Piggy are scum together.

As Telo was the only scum PR, I would have expected to find an attempt at a counterwagon but when I went looking for one I came up with very little. I looked at the votes from when Piggy puts a third vote on Telo in post 263.


post 265 Amrun votes Sucrose (2nd vote on her) reverting to her previous vote before switching to Piggy.

post 270 Eid votes Fujiko (1st vote on her), looks genuine at the moment.

post 279 Camn votes Fujiko (2nd vote on her), pure sheep, which she acknowledged when making the vote, but she never backed it up in any way.

post 309 Sucrose vote Brandi (2nd vote on her) looks reasonable, could be genuine.

post 325 Fujiko votes RachMarie (1st vote on her), pressure vote, doesn't look like a bandwagon starter.

post 352 I vote Brandi.

post 393 Sucrose votes Bunny after Brandi-wagon becomes untenable. I think at this point she would have voted for Fujiko, or possibly me, if she was trying to rescue Telo.

post 409 Sea votes me (2nd vote on me), she says she will look at Fujiko again later, is still willing to vote Brandi but doesn't think that will get traction, and is waiting for Telo.

Of these, only Camn's 279 and possibly Sea's 409, look bad.

Conclusion: Scum don't seem to have made a great effort to defend Telo so the decison to bus may have been taken fairly early on. This means that scum may have been anywhere on the Telo-wagon.

↑ Huntress wrote:As Telo was the only scum PR[...]

Is that right? She's the only scum PR? Well well.

I still think Rach & Telo distanced by voting each other early on. But through the Telo wagon, I didn't get a sense of a whole lot of bus'ing.

A good time to bus an only scum PR is when it looks like the lynch is going ahead no matter what - which would normally mean when Telo refused to claim. At that point, any scum that wasn't voting Telo yet would pretty much have to, if they happened to be online and see what was going on.

Huntress....are you really implying that I tried to derail the Telo wagon?
Seems like just yesterday you were accusing me of crap-casing Telo. ...

Guess I just can't do right by you, huh?

camn!

What you think?

I voted and pushed Telo because I thought she was scum. I am going to look at her wagon and juxtapose it with mine. See if I can find Telo's buddies.


@ Huntress How can you be sure that is their only PR? We don't even know how many scum there are in this game? We can guess based on the size of the game, but it is a guess not a for sure know.


@ DGB your reasoning here makes NO sense. I did not lightly bus Telo? I was fairly sure she was scum. I voted her and was pushing her all of D1, and she never provided anything of substance. THAT is why I voted her, and that is why my vote stayed on her. I would say if any busing went on, it would have been much later in the day when it became much clearer that Telo was the Lynch Du Jour.


As for the soft defense of Piggy by Telo that is what it looked like to ME, especially with her reluctance to move her vote to someone she saw as scummy when she had admitted she had not seen me as scummy. So she kept a vote on me, who she knew was not scum, while ignoring and not responding in any way to the wagon on Piggy. Even when pushed to provide content on Piggy she just ignored it and continued to keep her vote on me. Duh she was scum.

↑ springlullaby wrote:Mod are repeated roles possible?

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:Is that right? She's the only scum PR?

↑ RachMarie wrote:@ Huntress How can you be sure that is their only PR? We don't even know how many scum there are in this game? We can guess based on the size of the game, but it is a guess not a for sure know.

Are you all just not to have read the first few posts? Or did you really not read the set-up?

Actually I'm very tempted to vote DGB. I'll think about it more tomorrow.

↑ camn wrote:Huntress....are you really implying that I tried to derail the Telo wagon?

Not really. As I said in that post I came to the conclusion that there wasn't much of an attempt to derail the wagon.

↑ RachMarie wrote:

@ Huntress How can you be sure that is their only PR? We don't even know how many scum there are in this game? We can guess based on the size of the game, but it is a guess not a for sure know.

I can't see this as anything other than feigning ignorance in light of:

↑ RachMarie wrote:I went and double checked the front page and yes it appears that scum have daytalk. Sorry I missed that in the first read. However I still feel pretty confident about my read on Telo. Especially her reaction after I voted her.

In order to get to the information in the first scum pm in which it makes it clear there is daytalk, you have to get past the setup information in which it clearly states how many scum there are and the structure of the scum team.

↑ Huntress wrote:Or did you really not read the set-up?

I never read instructions/setups/prefaces/preamables. I don't eat soup.

May I add that #590 is one fine post on a fine, fine day.

↑ Huntress wrote:Are you all just pretending not to have read the first few posts? Or did you really not read the set-up?

Actually I'm very tempted to vote DGB. I'll think about it more tomorrow.

Thisthisthisthisthis.

↑ Tammy wrote:

↑ RachMarie wrote:

@ Huntress How can you be sure that is their only PR? We don't even know how many scum there are in this game? We can guess based on the size of the game, but it is a guess not a for sure know.

I can't see this as anything other than feigning ignorance in light of:

↑ RachMarie wrote:I went and double checked the front page and yes it appears that scum have daytalk. Sorry I missed that in the first read. However I still feel pretty confident about my read on Telo. Especially her reaction after I voted her.

In order to get to the information in the first scum pm in which it makes it clear there is daytalk, you have to get past the setup information in which it clearly states how many scum there are and the structure of the scum team.

And thisthisthisthis.

↑ TraceyLyn11 wrote:

↑ Huntress wrote:Are you all just pretending not to have read the first few posts? Or did you really not read the set-up?

Actually I'm very tempted to vote DGB. I'll think about it more tomorrow.

Thisthisthisthisthis.

So you think that I worked hard to build a Piggy-wagon, exonerated her on a fake dayvig gambit, and turned around to whip up a wagon against my scumbuddy Telo? Seriously.

@ RachMarie

Please convince me that you have read Telo thoroughly, and tell me, with supporting evidence, who you think her buddies are.

↑ RachMarie wrote:I went and double checked the front page and yes it appears that scum have daytalk. Sorry I missed that in the first read. However I still feel pretty confident about my read on Telo.

Especially her reaction after I voted her.

When you're answering DGB's question Rach, please explain what reaction of Telo's made you feel especially confident in your vote on her.

↑ Tammy wrote:

↑ RachMarie wrote:

@ Huntress How can you be sure that is their only PR? We don't even know how many scum there are in this game? We can guess based on the size of the game, but it is a guess not a for sure know.

I can't see this as anything other than feigning ignorance in light of:

↑ RachMarie wrote:I went and double checked the front page and yes it appears that scum have daytalk. Sorry I missed that in the first read. However I still feel pretty confident about my read on Telo. Especially her reaction after I voted her.

In order to get to the information in the first scum pm in which it makes it clear there is daytalk, you have to get past the setup information in which it clearly states how many scum there are and the structure of the scum team.

Eh, I would not count that for much.
When I checked to find if their was daytalk, after I found there was, I still didn't read everything all the way through. =P


Also I seriously doubt DGB is scum at this point. I mean it's possible, she's very intelligent and experienced, but I don't see scum motivation from her actions. And neither of the NK's seem like someone DGBscum would target.

But, she's indicating that she did read it...more than once. She said she missed it on her first read through, so read it again. You don't have to read all the way through to get that either. It's in the first box above the pm you would have to read to find there was day talk. Not only that, but it was in the sign up thread.