Mini 1398 - Game Over!

[absta101]

who'd you protect N1?

[absta101]

So if Bacde is town, Ice dies by way of scum kill anyway.
Scum JK Bacde and kill Ice.

@Ice - You said you were gonna die at night (anyway). If your role 'confirms' Bacde scum, why did you need to claim?

[ICEninja]

I protected Jabber. I bread crumbed this at some place as well.

I claimed to better influence today's lynch, as now that we're reasonably assured of Bacde's guilt people will be able to look for more associative tells.

Anyways I can't imagine a setup with both a doctor and a bodyguard being balanced without something in their role PMs preventing them from protecting each other (for example a macho bodyguard or something). If the JK/RB on scum's team was killed on the first day or two, then scum is hopeless to kill those players should they protect each other, which is blatantly imbalanced.

[Bacde]

If we aren't going to lynch ICENinja I'll literally hammer whoever ICENinja is voting for because he's scum and I want to see his reaction to me saying this.

[Bacde]

Even melmond, who is very likely town.

[Bacde]

What is the case on melmond again? He wasn't sure about Shamrock and isn't good enough at scumhunting?

Please

, tons of people are terrible at mafia, myself included.

[absta101]

Good point Ice. I'm for a lynch of Bacde as of now.

[absta101]

ICE's point increases the probability of him being town. His point means that one of Ice or Bacde is scum. If Bacde was town, Ice-scum would die.
VOTE: Bacde

[Rob14]

Wanted to see how Bacde reacted when I voted Melmond. More WIFOM. If he had laid off of it as soon as I jumped on, then I would be inclined to think that Melmond was scum. Didn't happen.

If we lynch Bacde now, then he either flips scum OR flips town and we lynch Ice-scum the next day (so, so unlikely). Why are we not lynching Bacde today now that there's essentially a counter-claim?

Unvote
Vote Bacde

[absta101]

L-4 (for reference).

[Jabberwock]

Tierce-head has realized that she was going at this the wrong way, and with Empire's blessing, let's play musical

chairs

lynches.

Bacde has pretty much claimed scum. He has no way out of this, so what he's doing now is just WIFOMing it up. We can try to hit his partner Today, or we can take Bacde out and at least eliminate the scum's ability to bounce ideas off each other. His inane defense of Melmond after being outed can't be analyzed, nor can anything that he has said since ICEninja's claim, since at that point Bacde knew he was well and truly doomed and the only thing he could do was hope Town would fail lynch after lynch where it came to his buddy.

So, let's take the rotten ketchup out of the equation and add another scum pelt to everyone's walls. We'll worry about the last scum Tomorrow, and with luck Bacde might even be a scum PR.

UNVOTE: Melmond
VOTE: Bacde

[absta101]

@Jabb - What do you think of iam?

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Bacde

[Cheery Dog]

@bacde; do you have any actual reasoning for ice to be the scum claim over you? I have a much bigger town read on him than I had of you, so just starting the default defense and attack onto the other protective role claim just won't cut it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bacde

also l-1 now I think.

[Jabberwock]

@Jabb - What do you think of iam?

Unless Empire has a flash of brilliance, we're done talking Today. It's time to quicklynch scum.

[Rob14]

@Jabb - What do you think of iam?

Why did you choose now to ask this?

[Melmond]

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VOTE: bacde

[Alduskkel]

Final Vote Count (#23)

Bacde (6) - absta101, Rob13, Jabberwock, Nachomamma8, Cheery Dog, Melmond

Melmond (1) - ICEninja
absta101 (1) - Nachomamma8
jmo16mla (1) - iamausername
ICEninja (1) - Bacde
iamausername (1) - Cheery Dog

Not Voting (2) - jmo16mla, Mirhawk

Deadline is in: (expired on 2013-01-01 16:30:00)

11 alive, 6 to lynch.

[Alduskkel]

Bacde,

Mafia Goon

, was lynched Day 2.

Leftover time from Day 2 was 15 days, which will be cut down to 7 bonus days for Day 3's deadline.

Night 2 begins now. Deadline is set for December 20th, at 4:00 P.M. PST.

Countdown Clock: (expired on 2012-12-20 17:00:00)

[Alduskkel]

welp

ICEninja,

Doctor

, was killed Night 2.

...

iamausername,

Mafia Vigilante Enabler

, was killed Night 2.

Day 3 starts with 8 alive. It is 5 to lynch.

No, I'm just kidding. The Town, consisting of Melmond, Rob13, Jabberwock, Mirhawk, ICEninja, Cheery Dog, Nachomamma8, absta101, Disturbed_One, and jmo16mla have won!

[Nachomamma8]

DAMN SON

[Nachomamma8]

good work absta
sorry for suspecting you

[Jabberwock]

Victoire!

[Alduskkel]

The Setup

2 Mafia Goons - Shamrock and Bacde
1 Mafia Vigilante Enabler - iamausername
1 Doctor - ICEninja
1 Vigilante - absta101
1 Innocent Child - Mirhawk
7 Vanilla Townies - everyone else

Links:
The Review Thread - contains the discussion about this game's setup while it was still being reviewed. My introductory moderator notes from there are:

Moderator Notes:
Even though the Mafia have to choose who is making the kill, it does not actually matter.
Mafia are allowed to kill one of their own members if they so choose -- there may be some instances where killing the Vigilante Enabler themselves is a valid strategy.
Kills are indistinct from one another.

The purpose of this setup is to incorporate a vigilante into a setup without creating a setup where the Town can win even if they never lynch a single Mafia member. Although you could argue that in every setup with a Vigilante the Mafia can always just kill the Vigilante, that didn't seem good enough to me. Therefore, the Mafia have a slight boost in their power so that the odds of the Vigilante killing every single one of them (assuming perfect aim) is only 33% due to the chance of hitting the Vigilante Enabler.

It's my understanding that the Doctor only protecting against one kill is standard. On the other hand, it would be an extremely minor boost to town power if the Doctor could protect against all kills.

If this setup has a balance problem then I think it would be that it is biased towards the Mafia. Doctors are not especially powerful, and Vigilantes are swingy. I don't see an obvious solution, though. Reducing the Mafia size would be too much. Increasing the town size is not possible as it is already at 13 players. Adding another town PR would also probably be too much, when you take into account the presence of a Doctor. Anyway, this can be discussed with the reviewers.

Mafia Quicktopic

Dead People Quicktopic - not a whole lot in here

[Tierce]

Now THAT was a curbstomp. (\(^w^)(^w^)/)