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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:55 am

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Jennifer wrote:Oh my god, you guys...

1 day and already 16 more pages...

I will go through today to get an updated sense of things (and pray there aren't 16 more pages by the time I do).

FYI, my activity level is completely dependent on how busy things are at work. Luckily, I'm back home today so it should hopefully be slower so I can get on the same page as you guys.


I have a job + full time university studies. Dont try to read everything, focus on interacting when you have time aviable and use the past post as data. Focus on a few people and interactions.
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:56 am

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Svenskt Stål wrote:Hmm, if icebox likes both selkies and me we have a third.

We still need a fourth to be in a comfortable anti retard position.
I am kinda doing a 180 on BO
... and being unsure on vansoor, but those two are the ones I feel most comfortable adding as of right now. I skimmed both and can still see them going either way, I need to interact more with them to make a decision, but what do you guys think?

My gut scum team right now is rach/majiffy, or rachiffy.

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What led to the 180? Orcinus' gut has similar ideas, even though he had Rach at null-town based on content. Still, he doesn't trust her due to prior game experience.


Might have been a tad spite in my previous assesment.
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:58 am

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Svenskt Stål wrote:Latest town game of rach I could find

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=26040

66 posts, please skim and get back to me.

I've read it, with most of my focus on day 1. In that game she's more assertive, more questioning, and she's putting reads down. IME sometimes scum are cautious about reads because they worry about needing to back off the read later. Not all scum players are that way, of course. But, it's a difference between the two games in her play and could be alignment-indicative.

In this game, her posts commenting on in-thread stuff that has nothing to do with figuring players out kind of stand out by comparison. But, that quantity of non-hunting posts is also driven by the size of the thread. I guess you'd have to think about it as a percentage, and add a fudge factor for annoyance with the occasional sprint-posting blitz and the thread size.

Have you read one of her scum games?


No, but I will.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:00 am

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Icebox, you didnt leave a comment on a possible selkies + me + you guys masonship.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:06 am

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Rach, you are at a high likelyhood of being the lynch today, if you are town use everything you can from making town do a mistake on you.


I kinda want more from disturbed one and jennifer before we lynch someone. Look, like I said, if we only lynch within the pool of active posters we limit ourself.

Posting little is not null, its scummy and anti town. I am not trying to be a blow torch on anyone, well maybee alittle, but we need to be able to make an informed decision.

2 scum means we have 2 misslynches.
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:11 am

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Selkies wrote:Majiffy's sudden tactical drop of our wagon in favor of Svenskt looks sketchy to me. I'm learning that there's a tendency for MS players to do that - give up and move on quickly, but it still bothers me.

Your wagon clearly isn't going through today. Why would I sideline my vote when it can be put to use?

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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:13 am

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Okay, guys. I'm trying a surgical strike.

Consider my vote on Rach, but I am not yet switching because I saw while trying to catch up that she has some more votes on her again, and I'm not sure of the exact vote count.


@Varsoon
You mentioned here that your statement that Sven was kinda scummy was a reaction test. But it leaves me with the question: at that point did you consider Sven kinda scummy? Or was that totally made up and you had a town/null read on him?
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Rach's post really rubs me the wrong way. The game started less than 48 hours ago during the work week. Nobody is lurking at this point, and it feels disingenuous to be calling people out demanding more content, when it's not that people are lurking but that others are in hyper-post mode. (A fact Rach herself noted earlier when she said all the posts were making it so that she didn't know if she was coming or going). Voting DO because she wants more content seems like an easy placeholder vote to make without committing to what is going on in the game.

I also don't like her vote on DO based on the given reasoning of DO not commenting on Bo. Not sure what she would expect to him to state and why the lack of stating it makes him scummy. DO did state that his vote on Sven was because of the case Bo presented.

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Yeah, I'll give that a go... otherwise I feel like I'm never going to dig out.
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:15 am

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Selkies wrote:Possibly Rach or Majiffy here.

I need to carefully read through all that crap between Majiffy and my alter ego today.

Majiffy's sudden tactical drop of our wagon in favor of Svenskt looks sketchy to me. I'm learning that there's a tendency for MS players to do that - give up and move on quickly, but it still bothers me.

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The only thing stopping me from going full on medival on majiffy is the value we lose when he is town, I am willing to give him some benefit of doubt.

I am okay with rach.
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:17 am

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Jennifer, still here? Lets talk.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:28 am

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Svenskt Stål wrote:Jennifer, still here? Lets talk.

Just saw this. Heading out to meeting now, but I should be back online in a couple of hours. I'll ping you in thread once free and see if you are still around to talk.
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:31 am

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I might be asleep, I am from sweden. When you get back, state in thread that you wanna talk and chat with someone else, best way to clear yourself.
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:37 am

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I should be around

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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:07 am

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Let’s go. (Again, will be posting thoughts as I read, so sorry if I repeat some logic. Starting a hard read from my post 270.)

: I didn’t like how weak Varsoon’s case was on Selkies, considering according to Varsoon in his 200 that Selkies was the top scum read.

: Majiffy says Icebox is town for pursuing something no one else was talking about. Even though Selkies was pursuing Icebox, someone I barely even talked about, just said I’d keep an eye on it. He also assumes Selkies is lining up lynches, even though he said he
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: Varsoon’s words as to why you were scum are as follows:
Varsoon wrote:I agree with your Icebox post, but I’m also preeeetty wary of you. Here’s why.
In a game-climate where a wagon just failed, you make a compelling case against Icebox.
Good scum-hunting,
or scum trying to start another wagon with some inertia this time?

We’ll see. We’ll see.

The bolded is the line I’m talking about. From what I read, I don’t remember you mentioning that, but instead commented saying “Varsoon’s case is crap because all he gave me was compliments.” I just felt like you really didn’t give the statement a second read and think “OH HE THINKS I’M SCUM BECAUSE OF OPPORTUNISM.”

: Majiffy seemingly ignoring things, saying he can’t tell what other people think, referring to Icebox (even though he’s assuming the hell out of Selkies with statements later in the argument*), and discussing RVS. Not liking Majiffy here.

*I skimmed the game as it went on before making this long post, and Majiffy did this enough for me to notice it.

: Majiffy assumes (hey look he does it again) that Selkies would put blame on me if Icebox were lynched and flipped town. Firstly, I don’t see that at all coming from Selkies’ play. Second, I don’t even say in my very first catch-up post that it’s a huge scum tell in the first place, so Selkies putting blame on me would be bullshit. Third, something tells me the way it’s worded, Icebox is town because Majiffy knows he is.

Yep, I’m feeling Majiffy’s starting to look scummy from this argument. It’s not scum-scum, so it’s either town-town or Selkies is town and Majiffy is scum.

: PoE to victory? That sounds like lining up lynches
way fucking more
than Selkies saying one of those two people were probably scum.

: Majiffy seems to be talking to other players about incredibly miniscule things (like discussion about RVS, pointless responses to fluff, etc.) except when it comes to Selkies. Awesome. Does it again in but doesn’t comment on the actual content of Icebox’s most recent post.

: Yeah…I don’t see why you think Majiffy is town here. His scum case on you is that your views aren’t the same as his, and he’s been contradicting himself the entire argument.

: Rach thinks that Varsoon looks like an easy lynch because he’s a newbie. Which is wrong. Varsoon doesn’t play this game like some of the newbies that make newbie mistakes all the time to get lynched.

: Sven is doing better from when he woke up to this post. (Not saying he won’t do better later, just thought now would be a good time to say this.)

It’s at this point that I’m thinking my vote won’t be very set in stone, may move it to Majiffy but not sure at this point.

: Rach’s reads here are all fence-sitting. Bad Rach. And instead prefers to search meta instead of sticking her neck out and questioning actions.

(And )

: Varsoon
really
seems like he wants reads from people. I’ve never seen anyone push that hard for people to give reads.

: Yes, Rach, because 5 posts from a player [sarcasm]definitely pings really hard on a scumdar.[/sarcasm]

(Sven beats me to this in )

: An argument from PoE could be lining up lynches if you keep your town reads. An argument from 1v1 could also be lining up lynches if it’s a situation where there’s a possible mislynch with LyLo the next day and they actually say, “Okay we’re lynching one today and the other tomorrow.” The latter definitely isn’t happening right now, and the former could happen.

*sigh* 100 posts left.

: Meh, I honestly didn’t remember to answer your questions three times, Orc. If you don’t believe me that’s fine. Also, I can see why you see me fence-sitting; I had been skimming the game and not really giving huge opinions on anyone except Sven.

: Rach quit posting pointless stuff while you expect D_O and Jen to post pointful stuff.

()

And at this point I UNVOTE: Svenskt. Vote will be at the end once I finish the read.

: Varsoon switches vote from D_O back to Selkies…I don’t like this. It’s like he chose a time to vote D_O for pressure as soon as Rach did, but then he saw it wasn’t catching much attention, so he switched back. That’s more of my gut telling me that than anything, though.

(also, I know the guy you’re talking about, the one that told you scum like to post pics/gifs…not exactly the best person to listen to when it comes to scum tells. Trust me on that one.)

: Maybe I’m just incredibly self-centered, but the vote on me didn’t feel like much of a “I want him lynched” vote. More of a suspicious vote that seemed to be placed to get the most information. But maybe you change your mind further along.

: Rach trying to tell more people to participate again. My gut’s telling me that if Rach is scum (which I’m leaning ATM), D_O and Jen may be a very good place to look. (Me too, I guess, but she just started telling me to try to get more active; she’s been telling D_O and Jen that since forever and a half.)

: Yeah, Selkies beat me to my comment I made in this post about 470.

: Rach’s 17254th mention about telling others to post. Also just says more about past games and meta, no real content again. (Surprise surprise.)

: Varsoon’s efforts here have ups and downs. I pretty much agree with most of the post except I still think Selkies is town.

: Rach. You say you want 2 scum but can’t get enough reads. Half the players post a lot. Half of 2 is 1. How do you not have even a close-to-scum read that I can see from you?

: Awesome, Varsoon’s come to his senses about Selkies. And he’s voting Rach. Sweet, because I’m still thinking Rach-scum at this point.

: Um what? Any reason you quit the Selkies wagon that was losing momentum and joined the wagon that has more players on it?

: I know you just dropped your solid scum read on me, but no thanks, I’m too lazy to read 66 pages of a game when I’m playing in one that’s going to reach 66 pages by Monday.

: Your very first post after my catch up post was simply calling me town. You didn’t agree, but you never really have any reason for your townread. D_O’s in the same position, except he hasn’t posted after that.

: Maybe Rach can drop her D_O-scum fetish now that he posted again. And Jen posts later too.
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:10 am

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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:15 am

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I apologize for the biggest wall ever, but I tried to make it to where there was less cluttering, only shit that really matters to me, and stuff.

VOTE: RachMarie

Feeling Rach/Majiffy lynch today.

Icebox: Town. Hasn't said a single thing I found scummy or suspicious since my last post, I'm pretty confident that he's townie now.
Sven: Null leaning town. His play since my antagonizing of him has been much more logical and easy to understand.
Selkies: Town. He's been reading more and more transparent as I've caught up on the game, I can't see scum being that transparent about their explanations on things.
D_O: Null.
Jen: Null.
Varsoon: Null leaning town, he's been transparent about the game, but his pursuing of Selkies looked off for a long time, along with some of his votes being on wagons I found uncomfortable for a while. So if it weren't for those he'd be town.

So Rach should be lynched because she's providing fluff and probably trying to look active. At least Majiffy is...well, actually, his activity is mainly a bunch of stuff I find scummy.

I'm cool with voting either one ATM. Rach looks like a better start to me though.
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:16 am

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EBWOP: Yeah, Sven, it's a pretty big post. But I tried formatting it to make sure it shows my thought processes as I was going along.

And look, no fucked-up vote tags.
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:19 am

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My biggest concern with rachmarie is that she is right about people finding her scummy alot, she gets lynched early and often.

edit, BO, no worries. looks pretty sexy.
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:20 am

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bo + ice + selkies + mr awesome = forever?
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:22 am

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Ok, I'm happy with Bo as town. Orcinus if you disagee, we are going to have words.

I'm waiting for Orcinus as far as our vote ATM, but I'm for Rach/Majiffy. We're pretty much done voting without prior consensus reached.

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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:29 am

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me right now

town


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others are here and lower.

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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:30 am

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Svenskt Stål wrote:bo + ice + selkies + mr awesome = forever?

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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:31 am

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Svenskt Stål wrote:bo + ice + selkies + mr awesome = forever?

and who is that mr awesome? :P
You are frozen.
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:33 am

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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:35 am

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Icebox wrote:
Svenskt Stål wrote:bo + ice + selkies + mr awesome = forever?

and who is that mr awesome? :P

I thought he was just counting me twice and forgot his own name.

Or something like that.
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:36 am

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Does Bo Know wrote:
Icebox wrote:
Svenskt Stål wrote:bo + ice + selkies + mr awesome = forever?

and who is that mr awesome? :P

I thought he was just counting me twice and forgot his own name.

Or something like that.

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