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"Other Head" is usually me (Cabd)

We can start signing our posts if it helps.

I'm pretty sure hawk and I are in complete harmony here that Milk or SOO needs to go, we just disagree on which. I like Milk for the meta case I brought against him and his weak response to it, Hawkie finds SOO scum more likely. I'll let him cover his reasoning, but I see merit in it as well.

~C

that helps explain most of what pinged.

tks

- f

Between the three main wagon, I don't think I can get on the Thad wagon. I don't understand the Premise behind that one at all, he hasn't done anything to standoutish to me and I think I'm thinking the same thing he is RE Omens

Ffery, explain that scum-read to me?

Between Omens and Milk, I think I would prefer Omens. If no one wants to move to Demon tomorrow, I'll probably move my vote there

In post 578, Ms Marangal wrote:Ffery, explain that scum-read to me?

Not sure which one you are asking about?

Thad-scum read

The ThAdmiral one? Mostly it's his interactions with Beliasaurus and Amrun. In some of his wagon-hops I don't pick up any sense of conviction or real reason for the changes.

- f

OH, heads up, here on out I'll be scarce until next week -- and even then, I'll have one day before my regular weekend v/la.

I have work and then I'm going to Balto Meet (yay!). I"ll make posts here and there but don't expect good engagement from me for a week +.


Game-wise, I don't see anything I am particularly compelled to write about, except that sword of omens is painfully town. He's towwwwwwwwwwwn. TOWN.

Town, I tell you.

ThAd lynch should be a no brainer. I don't know why he isn't dead yet.

Nothing has really changed for me. I’m rereading to see if anything new pops up. I'll also be reiterating some things.

In post 141, Nero Cain wrote:In post 131, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Not liking Nero's 83 framing post without the gusto to make the vote himself until he gets the backing from MattP.
And yet Milk didn't want to vote Matt until she got backing from me

I still hate this. So if Milk were to flip scum then I’d want a GCBC lynch.

Still think 158 is dumb dumb dumb but thats just me.

In post 191, Selkies wrote:I like your analyses, Amrun. Welcome to the game.

What kind of town gets called scum and is all like “OK!!!”

Milkshake is still awkward/scummy as hell.

In post 195, milkshake wrote:

In post 180, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 177, milkshake wrote:because the bulk of the rationale for MattP's lynch came from an opinion held by Nero

yea, I never pushed for a Matt lynch.

I know you didn't, but it followed from what you had said at that point that you SHOULD have. To demonstrate this, we can take a look at post #133 by Selkies where they express the same opinion.

I think this is a great post as to why.

meh, Beli’s reads list on page 9 (post 203) are a bunch of no opinions.

That’s what I got so far and I’ll finish up later.

Ghostlin's lynch perference chart:

Ghostlin: Milkshake, SOO
Selkies: No Milkshake (unless Orc agrees to it, then reluctant)
GCBC: Milkshake, SOO
MM: pefers Omen over Milkshake, no Ad
Amrun: Ad, no SOO
Nero: Milk

Milk: For lynch: 3, absolutely not: 1, Currently on Wagon: 1 (net votes if everyone votes Milk: 5)
SOO: For lynch: 3, absolutely not: 1, Currently on Wagon: 1 (net votes if everyone votes SOO: 5)
Ad: For lynch: 1, absolutely not: 1, Currently on Wagon: 1 (net votes if everyone votes Ad: 3)

*These numbers presume that no one currently on the wagon jumps off. They're not perfect.

This is my first time doing this, so sue me.

This is just here to document stances and to see which direction town is going. This is a paraphrase of the last few posts. If I've missed anything, let me know.

In post 583, Nero Cain wrote:What kind of town gets called scum and is all like “OK!!!”

Someone who is more interested in finding a player who could be town than in a potential vote on their own bandwagon.

Hi, I'm fferyllt. p sure my approach to mafia isn't complete suckage.

- f

Its time to turn the tide.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sword_Of_Omens

In post 582, Amrun wrote:Game-wise, I don't see anything I am particularly compelled to write about, except that sword of omens is painfully town. He's towwwwwwwwwwwn. TOWN.

Humm... you convinced me.

How does one go from

In post 429, Amrun wrote: I have a town read on milkshake. Not TOWNTOWNTOWN, but town.

Sword I am much closer to null

, but if forced at gunpoint to pick, I'd say leaning town.

To

In post 582, Amrun wrote:

sword of omens is painfully town.

He's towwwwwwwwwwwn. TOWN.

Do share your font of wisdom, as I see none of what you see.

Selkies, my posts should be obvious, as I am the more OCD head and you will notice nice formatting quirks in my posts that lack in the other head's posts. I will sign mine as

~GC

VOTE: ThAdmiral

- f

Why are you pushing a counter wagon to take momentum from your primary scum read? Has your read on sword changed since your big reads post?

~C

Me?

SoO is not my primary scum read. I'd prefer a Nero Cain lynch but that's not going to happen. Of my other scum reads, I'm most concerned about ThAdmiral, so that's where my vote goes. I'll compromise if I have to.

- f

Can you explain your Nero case? What has changed since your early read?

Your reads list said:

In post 566, Selkies wrote:Nero Cain (he recovered a little from our early scum read, but has mostly faded into the woodwork lately)

What exactly did you mean by fading into the woodwork?


~C

He quit posting.

the thing that really bothered me about his posts when he was active was that he'd ask other players loaded questions in the general form of "What did you make of so-and-so's super-scummy post" when they'd be working out their reads on other players.

I'll gather up some examples of this tonight.

^^ to elaborate a little, I think of that kind of behavior as attempting to control the game's narrative.

- f

I would prefer a ThAdmiral lynch to a Sword_Of_Omens lynch. I mean what has he even been doing these last 13 posts?

My very strong town reads are Ghostlin, GoodCop_BadCop, and Selkies.
My less strong town reads are Belisarius, MattP, and Sword_Of_Omens, and Amrun.
My no reads are Nero Cain, Iecerint, and Demon.
My scum reads are ThAdmiral and Ms Marangal.

We only have a few more days so let's get these votes together.

In post 108, Nero Cain wrote:Demon

Why did the Fery head not vote me if I'm her #1 suspect?

This was one of the examples I was thinking about, but rereading it, he was answering a question with "demon" and was asking Selkies/us why I didn't vote him when I said I suspected him. At the time, he was not my number 1 suspect though - just the first person who had pinged for me. my other suspect at the time was milkshake, and I think that's where orcinus had put our vote.

In post 120, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 118, Ghostlin wrote:SOO's vote seems to be a follow the leader vote

I could buy that. You think he may have listed a buddy in Demon/Selk?

^^ this is an example of him trying to push associations when other people bring up scummy looking players.

In post 186, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 181, Amrun wrote:She was picking up on some things from Nero that I also picked up on (hesitance to commit to an opinion) and while she seemed to view this less negatively than me, she was harrying Nero to commit just the same, which is what I would have done in her shoes.

I'm like 99.9% that I voiced on opinion on Matt in 78. I read the situation totally different then you. In 79 it does look a heckva lot like Milk is try to get me to vote Matt when I already said that I wasn't interested in lynching Matt today. I feel like she was not trying to get me to "commit to an opinion" but trying to get me to move my vote off of Selk. Considering that you have a scum read on Selk, do you not find it just a little strange that she doing this? Or do you think it was a whole coinkydink and its less likely they are scumbudz?

^^ More pushing of associations.

In post 243, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 223, Amrun wrote:Why do you think milk and selk are grouped together? I find that unlikely, though not impossible.

I think they're both independently scummy and since I know we don't have two scum teams and its not confirmed if we have an sk or not so it does make me want to put them together. I mean the whole "Nero votes Selk, Milk tried to get Nero to unvote Selk" seems a lil' weird but maybe you're right and its just a big coincidence.

In post 469, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 237, Miss Destroyer wrote:Swords, I initially liked your reason because it was the most detailed on of those on the Milkshake wagon and I had glazed through it. there are nearly 2 pages of between those two posts you have stated and a few people have made good points on you as well, which caused me to reconsider. That, and I had taken a closer look at that post and realized it wasn't as good as I had originally thought

This *might* be a link between SOO and Miss Des. Sure, as the pressure on SOO heated up she kinda backtracked to distance herself. But I'd be tempted to kill this when/if SOO flips scum.

^^ and more.

Maybe this stood out to me because in most instances he was trying to link us to other players. I'd go so far as to say trying to plant the idea of linkages.

Orcinus and Milkshake both pushed him about his vote on Selkies/us because he'd earlier said he wasn't interested in our lynch and it was an rvs vote.

I'm trying to look at this from the perspective of Nero Cain being town, and I could see him getting stubborn about the vote and suspicious when questioned about it, though I think he hung onto it for a pretty long time.

Rereading his ISO with that possibility in mind, I am seeing less to dislike in his posts, though the above posts still kinda bug me. I'm going to retract my statement that he'd be my preferred lynch if I had my druthers, and put him back in my null pile for now.

- f

In post 511, Iecerint wrote:SoO, it looks like you were bothered by Ghostlin's indicating that you didn't vote in your post, but it didn't bother you when I basically asked you the same question (albeit in a much less inflammatory fashion)?

Reposting this for SoO.

I am doing my best to stay reasonable up on things during the meet, but anyone who has outstanding stuff for me should probably repost. My computer is hidden away in my secret sleeping area that I never venture into.

Well I could defend myself, or I could just tell you that I'm a power role.

Yes, that is a soft claim, and no I won't be revealing any more than I have.

Now I'm def's not going to vote Thad, I mean who the hell puts down a vote on someone who soft's a PR?